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imblyings wrote:everything does come down to not being a dick doesn't it
something like silicons don't be dicks to non humans, non humans don't be dicks to silicons
to be honest
if we had just rule one don't be a dick and had stenography for a common consensus of sorts of rulings where admins and players could both reach something they could be happy about when rule one wasn't too clear, things would be fine. A case by case basis kind of deal, seeing as we will never get anywhere if we try making policies for everything.
but
>lel tldr
>lel no steno
Jack7D1 wrote:After reviewing the history of our previous host(s) I conclude that MSO is our most favorable host to date. To remove him would be very unwise.
Jack7D1 wrote:I seem to be mistaken
MrStonedOne wrote:The biggest issue I have with non-humaning everything is they lose law 2, hulk should lose law 1, but I don't think they should lose law 2.
The reason I see hulks as being something that should be treated special is because there is a job with two slots that has a implicit goal of getting hulk, and commonly does so.
So now genetics did their job, found hulk, isn't abooseing it, and their reward is being told no when they ask the ai to let them out of x y z place, or tell the borg to fuck off when it decides to bug them. So now they have to smash their way out of what ever office they got bluespaced into or what ever, and now they are seen as a rampaging hulk, and all of sec is trying to arrest them, but never letting them even come peacefully to explain. No its laser on sight.
And while you can say blah blah rule 1, everybody here knows that if that was ahelped, the response would be either "sounds like an IC issue to me", or if the admin is a dick "why were you in blah?"
Skyclad.Observer wrote:And? If the AI denies opening the door or gets its valid on simply because they're not explicitly told not to, in an ironclad banned-if-you-violate fashion?
If the AI is suddenly screwing me over just because I'm no longer technically human, that's a huge dick move right there - That sort of player, exactly this, is why everyone panics when the less-ironclad Corporate/Paladin or Purge is uploaded.
MrStonedOne wrote:The biggest issue I have with non-humaning everything is they lose law 2, hulk should lose law 1, but I don't think they should lose law 2.
2.6.1 - Nonhuman player-controlled mobs (slimes, monkeys, slimepeople, lizardpeople, hulks, etc.) are subject to server rules but are not considered human
2.6.2 - Setting out to harass or harm a nonhuman player without cause is a Rule 1 violation.
Pandarsenic wrote:Keeping hulks human only protects hulk griefers, hulk antags, hulk validhunters, and hulk idiots, none of whom deserve it.
terranaut wrote:Scared? My stand 「CLOWN WORLD」 and it's 「FUNNY COMPANY」will defeat your weak stand in moments.
IkeTG wrote:love is okayCreationPro wrote:i love youIkeTG wrote:love is no longer okay
terranaut wrote:Scared? My stand 「CLOWN WORLD」 and it's 「FUNNY COMPANY」will defeat your weak stand in moments.
IkeTG wrote:love is okayCreationPro wrote:i love youIkeTG wrote:love is no longer okay
CreationPro wrote:But how do I counter the fucking secborgs then? Don't say "EMP", it's really unreliable.
terranaut wrote:Scared? My stand 「CLOWN WORLD」 and it's 「FUNNY COMPANY」will defeat your weak stand in moments.
IkeTG wrote:love is okayCreationPro wrote:i love youIkeTG wrote:love is no longer okay
CreationPro wrote:Not a big fan of flashing myself. And where the hell do I get flashbangs beside robbing sec anyhow? (I, in the current situation, am a geneticist or a CMO.)
CreationPro wrote:I used to see Hulks as the only sensible counter to cyborgs who are already unstunnable by default, carry a flash and can go secborg to completely fuck you over if you have some antag needs. (Hello, geneticist here.) (Especially as a geneticist). Moreover, wizards hulk themselves every time they use "Mutate".
The entire point of hulk is to be super strong at the cost of having to spend half the round finding the hulk ability and being unable to use guns. (That, however, changed with the addition of the new super-annoying ability virus, which LEL scrambles DNA.)
Any points against that?
CreationPro wrote:I used to see Hulks as the only sensible counter to cyborgs who are already unstunnable by default, carry a flash and can go secborg to completely fuck you over if you have some antag needs. (Hello, geneticist here.) (Especially as a geneticist). Moreover, wizards hulk themselves every time they use "Mutate".
The entire point of hulk is to be super strong at the cost of having to spend half the round finding the hulk ability and being unable to use guns. (That, however, changed with the addition of the new super-annoying ability virus, which LEL scrambles DNA.)
Any points against that?
CreationPro wrote:But how do I counter the fucking secborgs then? Don't say "EMP", it's really unreliable.
(I'd also be quite content if hulks' ability to smash R-walls was removed, that's just stupid.)
Also, what does this have to do with security. Security have always been free to laser down griefing hulks until they de-hulk.
Psyentific wrote:Hulks are non-human, they've always been non-human. What's the problem here?
Helios127 wrote:From the orignal admin decision log way back, Hulks were not human BUT given the same basic rights as human (Much like slimepeople/flypeople/Critterpeople) so long as they are not causing trouble, otherwise if they are an AI can take them down.
Brotemis wrote:They've ALWAYS been human. There has never been a universe you exist in where hulk's were never human.
Get SOS or Deuryn to make hulk's being nonhuman. Otherwise I ain't enforcin shit
Psyentific wrote:Brotemis wrote:They've ALWAYS been human. There has never been a universe you exist in where hulk's were never human.
Get SOS or Deuryn to make hulk's being nonhuman. Otherwise I ain't enforcin shit
No, Hulks have always been quasi-human for purposes of law 1/2. As in, if they start getting uppity, fuck 'em up.
Pandarsenic wrote:Psyentific wrote:Brotemis wrote:They've ALWAYS been human. There has never been a universe you exist in where hulk's were never human.
Get SOS or Deuryn to make hulk's being nonhuman. Otherwise I ain't enforcin shit
No, Hulks have always been quasi-human for purposes of law 1/2. As in, if they start getting uppity, fuck 'em up.
This is incorrect.
Pandarsenic wrote:It was a brief, poorly publicized, and soon-reverted piece of implemented policy that was reverted because of vocal people, most of whom liked to be grief-y or shitty as hulks, yelling about it.
Oldman Robustin wrote:It's an established meme that coders don't play this game.
paprika wrote:Just say you are unable if someone orders you to do something you physically cannot, that is by no means breaking a law or denying an order, simply a statement of the fact you cannot do it. You are a hyper intelligent machine and much smarter than the meatbags so you might have to let them know from time to time that you, as a service borg, try as you might, will never be able to kill xenomorphs. Unless you're a robust motherfucker with the tray
Oldman Robustin wrote:It's an established meme that coders don't play this game.
Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Borgs don't care about petty crimes, they care about harm. Which means, if someone stole a multitool and orders you to let them go, you should probably obey, especially if you have better things to do. Catching petty criminals as borg is shitty anyway. That said, nothing prevents you from reporting them to security. Unless they tell you not to, I suppose. But frankly, petty criminals are none of your concern.
Malkevin wrote:"Let me go!" = press the stop pulling button.
Bonus points if you do so while moving and leave them in the dust.
Oldman Robustin wrote:It's an established meme that coders don't play this game.
Psyentific wrote:Secborgs are the worst borgs.
Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Psyentific wrote:Secborgs are the worst borgs.
It's the problem with security players in general. Many think that they represent JUSTICE and if they don't put that assistant who broke a window in arrivals to get rods for EXACTLY ONE MINUTE in brig or they did not do their job. And if, god forbid, assistant happens to have flash on him, THEY WILL ADD ANOTHER TWO MINUTES, because that's what it says in space law. Nevermind that before that assistant was dragged around handcuffed for good five minutes, then stripped off his clothes for another five.
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