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Suicide on Warops

Postby technokek » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:49 pm #579407

Hello and welcome to another edition of can i do that?

The question today is about suiciding when warops is announced (and even rolling for that sweet antag role)!


Many people just dont enjoy the warops gamemode and decide to suicide. ( Cannot prove this so just belive me if when say this)


-Now should those people that suicided have the option to roll for roles like Syndicate/Mediborg/Carp/Whatever or should they just be kept spectating?

If yes shoudnt they be prohibited from taking any more like lone antag/blob/loneop/dragon/wizzard too?
And shoudnt there just be a mechanic like with POSI Brains that just tells you to fuck off if you have suicided.

-Or are you even allowed to suicide just because its warops?

Is suiciding because you like the gamemode warops/revs/blob even allowed?
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby RaveRadbury » Sat Oct 17, 2020 4:53 pm #579408

Suicides are made ineligible for ghost antag roles

Players are welcome to stop playing a round at any time, provided they ahelp if they are an important role like command or antag before they off themselves.
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby remanseptim » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:14 pm #579412

if you're not antag rolling, on m*nuel, or an important role, you can kill yourself for literally any reason
if you kill yourself when a war ops gets announced and nab ghost antag rolls immediately though you're liable to get shit on

you're not made mechanically ineligible for some antagonists. i suicided on a greenshift on sybil and admin spawned in a blob, and i received the notification for it. i think that's a special case though, due to the admin intervention being different from normal midround blob. this also answers your question of 'can you kill yourself if it's a round type you hate'. once again, as long as no anteg rollies, you're good.

as for making suiciders ineligible for all midround spawns, all that'd do is inconvenience players who suicided for actual legit reasons like being trapped in GBJ/left crippled/whatever.
beating yourself into crit and succumbing + DNRing counts as a normal death as far as i know. antag chasers will just start doing that.
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Tlaltecuhtli » Sat Oct 17, 2020 6:50 pm #579415

suicide to roll war ops ( only for this one gamemode) is not allowed, only take the job if like there are actually no ghost / people picking the offer, but make sure it is the case at yor own risk

suicide is always allowed on blob, etc because if you dont want to play why would anyone force you to

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Armhulen » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:13 pm #579416

We can't force people to play the game
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby technokek » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:14 pm #579417

Armhulen wrote:We can't force people to play the game



you cant? I am free to leave?
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby wesoda25 » Sat Oct 17, 2020 7:20 pm #579419

Obligatory “maybe if a gamemode is so bad that we have a serious problem with people suiciding on it, we should remove it” post
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby SkeletalElite » Sat Oct 17, 2020 8:45 pm #579428

RaveRadbury wrote:Suicides are made ineligible for ghost antag roles


This is false, I suicide on war ops some times and receive prompts asking if I want to be a syndi borg.

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby remanseptim » Sun Oct 18, 2020 1:51 am #579443

wesoda25 wrote:Obligatory “maybe if a gamemode is so bad that we have a serious problem with people suiciding on it, we should remove it” post

i suicide whenever i get brigged because fuck waiting around for 6 minutes while shitsec bumbles around like slackjawed apes, but that's no reason to remove it
let people opt into and out of what they want
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby RaveRadbury » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:28 am #579458

SkeletalElite wrote:
RaveRadbury wrote:Suicides are made ineligible for ghost antag roles


This is false, I suicide on war ops some times and receive prompts asking if I want to be a syndi borg.


Thank you community member, this bug will be reported on the github repository.
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby cacogen » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:29 am #579460

They can't prove it was suicide if you self-inflict 100 damage and then succumb immediately
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby SkeletalElite » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:36 am #579463

RaveRadbury wrote:
SkeletalElite wrote:
RaveRadbury wrote:Suicides are made ineligible for ghost antag roles


This is false, I suicide on war ops some times and receive prompts asking if I want to be a syndi borg.


Thank you community member, this bug will be reported on the github repository.


Honestly I don't think there's ever been an antag roll that I missed after a suicide. I've never suicided and seen a ghost role spawn that I didn't get asked for. If suicide ineligibility is supposed to exist, I'm pretty sure it's not working at all.

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Cobby » Sun Oct 18, 2020 4:51 am #579465

If you don’t want to play the round as that character what are you suppose to do? Dc?

I suicide everytime this mode comes up and I will continue to do so. It’s not enjoyable and I’m usually not in a role that is important, nor do I want people playing as my character over the matter.

It wasn’t something I deserved based on my play style (cough cough brig suicider I will ban u for that if you are shit and suicide everytime you get caught) and it’s not me rolling for antag because this mode is the most blatant of tdm valid hunt/murderbone style
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby SkeletalElite » Sun Oct 18, 2020 5:34 am #579467

Okay I decided to code dive and I'm like 99% sure there is no code that makes suicides ineligible for ghost roles.

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby NecromancerAnne » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:06 am #579473

It does for specifically I believe positronics. And that's it. It was meant to combat people suiciding to become a positronic to get borged faster, or box suiciding to do it in a single life since suicided characters could be borged.

I get that the purpose of that pr was to make people get borged the proper way but it's really weird this didn't get extended to every other ghost role as a consistency thing, given there was a massive thing about 'if you suicide you choose to be out of the round' at the time. Or something.

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby remanseptim » Sun Oct 18, 2020 11:42 am #579492

Cobby wrote:I will ban u for that if you are shit and suicide everytime you get caught)

name the rule copper
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Cobby » Sun Oct 18, 2020 2:18 pm #579502

Rule 1: if you are being a dick IC but can’t even bother to take the consequences IC, I will just give them to you OOC.
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby remanseptim » Sun Oct 18, 2020 7:21 pm #579510

"my dad says that if you find yourself in a prison-like situation, hang yourself with your pants"
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby oranges » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:23 am #579530

warops should be removed

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Armhulen » Mon Oct 19, 2020 12:40 am #579532

oranges wrote:warops should be removed

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby thehogshotgun » Mon Oct 19, 2020 3:11 am #579535

Cobby wrote:If you don’t want to play the round as that character what are you suppose to do? Dc?

I suicide everytime this mode comes up and I will continue to do so. It’s not enjoyable and I’m usually not in a role that is important, nor do I want people playing as my character over the matter.

It wasn’t something I deserved based on my play style (cough cough brig suicider I will ban u for that if you are shit and suicide everytime you get caught) and it’s not me rolling for antag because this mode is the most blatant of tdm valid hunt/murderbone style


I think this place is too tough for you little man, I think you’d be better off at weenie hut jrs.

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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Jaredfogle » Mon Oct 19, 2020 4:47 am #579557

oranges wrote:warops should be removed

he says as he closes the pr that does it

anyway, as per making ghost roles ineligible to roll ops stuff, i was thinking about it but decided against it. if it was generic to ANY antags, then it'd need a max time limit since it otherwise discourages people from suiciding in rounds they are having absolutely no fun in. i would also think that that timer would be less than the 18 minutes it takes for war ops to roll out. this would potentially encourage ops to meta wait until the timer is up to call for reinforcements, or whatever.

but even all that theorycrafting aside, there's the issue posed earlier of people instead just suiciding by beating themselves up and succumbing. there really isn't a good code solution for this, and the admins seem to have it handled anyway.
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Re: Suicide on Warops

Postby Coconutwarrior97 » Tue Nov 03, 2020 12:16 pm #580691

As long as it isn't used to roll for an antag role spawned by the operatives, such as syndicate reinforcements, its fine.

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