ban people who draw/write porn about other players

[iamgoofball]

Bottom post of the previous page:

this is separate entirely from the other nsfw book/art discussion

we should ban people who write porn about other players in the community and upload it to our servers

it's incredibly fucking creepy to write pornography about random people you know and share it with their associates

it doesn't matter if it's of "their character" because this is ss13 and 9 times out of 10 the player character is just a stand-in for the actual player, and everyone knows that when you're referring to someone's static name character, you're referring to the person behind the static name character.

it's creepy as shit and should be banned regardless of whether we decide to purge the Lusty Xenomorph Maid from the library

[chocolate_bickie]

If a ruling is made that you cannot write books about Player Characters without consent this rule will also apply to non-sexual books. For example if I write about Lepi Mewtera eating an apple and Naloac says I didn't have permission they can delete it.

no one is advocating for such a blanketed all encompassing rule, and there would be no reason to add one. Nuance is a thing that can exist

Wubli was clearly stating that any unauthorized use of her OC was no okay. I felt like it was important to point out that parody work should be allowed even if some players find it offensive.

why should it be allowed

why is it important that people be allowed to specifically go out of their way to do something that someone has said they don't want done to them

Don't be a debatebro man just, like, accept what I said. Yur just, like, a toxin 4chan man who should just go back to plebbit.

You wanna start name calling so you can farm karma from sticky go ahead but don't expect me to talk back to you civily. Now I'm gonna double post like you keep doing.

EDIT: Also my emotive factual comment, all I meant was I can't tell you your feelings are wrong because they are your feelings. The comment about satire wasn't an attack on Wubli, I just wanted to point out that if you claim copyright as a reason to remove content, there are exceptions that apply to copyright

[chocolate_bickie]

If a ruling is made that you cannot write books about Player Characters without consent this rule will also apply to non-sexual books. For example if I write about Lepi Mewtera eating an apple and Naloac says I didn't have permission they can delete it.

no one is advocating for such a blanketed all encompassing rule, and there would be no reason to add one. Nuance is a thing that can exist

Wubli was clearly stating that any unauthorized use of her OC was no okay. I felt like it was important to point out that parody work should be allowed even if some players find it offensive.

why should it be allowed

why is it important that people be allowed to specifically go out of their way to do something that someone has said they don't want done to them

The only reason I brought up Satire laws was this policy discussion got derailed by Wubli and Farquaar talking about ''OC do not steal''. I was just pointing out that you can't claim copyright law as a reason to not allow certain content as it has exceptions. And all of this is irrelevant because this Policy discussion is about banning players who write smut.

I'm not even sure why we're talking about ''OC do not steal''.

As for your most recent quote;

why is it important that people be allowed to specifically go out of their way to do something that someone has said they don't want done to them

Nothing is being 'done' to Wubli. Nothing is being done to the PC of Wubli. The character in the book is not Wubli.

And all of this is irrelevant because any policy decision regarding smut shouldn't have an exception either way for OC PC's.

[legality]

Okay so if Narutos mangaka asked people not to write smut about the characters he makes and I write my extra smutty naruxkiba fox and the hound lemon I'm basically sexually assaulting and mind raping him

Jk anyone who believes that should get laughed at

Anyways it doesn't matter if it's a character Narutos mangaka made up or a character some random player made up for a spacemans rpg, I'll use other people's ideas however and whenever I want and if they have a problem with it I can just block them because this is the internet

[Armhulen]

Okay so if Narutos mangaka asked people not to write smut about the characters he makes and I write my extra smutty naruxkiba fox and the hound lemon I'm basically sexually assaulting and mind raping him

Jk anyone who believes that should get laughed at

Anyways it doesn't matter if it's a character Narutos mangaka made up or a character some random player made up for a spacemans rpg, I'll use other people's ideas however and whenever I want and if they have a problem with it I can just block them because this is the internet

Holy shit what a post, what a completely delusional post, entirely off the deep end. The fact that you think our current ERP rules or even just rules on not creeping people out is equivalent to mind rape is laughable. TO BE CLEAR: All your smut has to be for admins to talk to you about it is CREEPY. Writing characters of people you know into your porn is almost INHERENTLY creepy to many people playing the game. Eventually this poster will admit that their actual thoughts align with creepiness not being a good community rule and he should be allowed to make as many players for our role playing game uncomfortable as they want, like the fat greasy disgusting DM in a DnD game that writes weird garbage into the tabletop game and shouts "DON'T KINKSHAME MEEEEE"

And I know this comes off as hostile but when half of their post is a strawman that directly insults people in the thread and the second half is delusional "erm i'll block them" nonsense that doesn't matter at all because we're discussing admin policy... how is anyone expected to show this post respect?

[Shaps-cloud]

Are you saying you're the victim here

[wubli]

Wubli was clearly stating that any unauthorized use of her OC was no okay.

fdsjahnadsga? ?? i never said anything like this? all i've said is "pleasy don't write smut of other people's characters without asking them first??? How are these posts about *me* when I am not the only one who has stated it's uncomfortable? There isn't a single smut book about my character in the library

i have stopped looking at this thread because it's going nowhere but begging you to not make it about me and if you need me to remind you my takes on it so you stop saying whatever you think i said:

- if you want to write smut of someone's character, it's in good faith to ask them first. sexual stuff can be really uncomfortable to some people, and even if you aren't emotionally attached to your character, the fact that someone who you've played with decided they wanted to write about your character getting railed and didn't even dare to ask you if it was okay, is really weird, creepy, and disrespectful.
- it's more of an attitude issue. you saw someone playing and said "i am going to write smut about them". why would you do that? because you're horny for them? because you're pissed off at them? because it's funny - for yourself, somehow? is it so hard to consider how the other person would feel about it? must we truly be simply hostile with everyone we meet and disregard their feelings every single time just because it's the internet? what is your goal by writing smut about someone's character when they potentially don't want it?
- would you say the same if this was a DM staging a sexual abuse scene for one of the player's characters? do you really not see how that could be uncomfortable for the player?
- i've had nsfw art of my character drawn by someone. it's just nudity and not really porn, but it was nice of the person to ask me. i don't have a problem with sexual content itself, it's just basic decency to ask first. clarifying this so you don't think i am simply a prude who hates sex or having their character sexualized in any way
- no one can really stop you from jerking off to characters or even writing smut or drawing someone's static with massive tiddies, but it's really not hard to not post it online. like it or not, your character is something *you* control and if some weirdo writes about it getting fucked and posts it online, they probably want a reaction out of you. if you can ahelp someone for being weird to you IC, there is no reason why you would be able to write about it and post it.

stop trying to convince yourself that this is other people's faults for "being too attached to their ocs" and please try to understand that this is a massive boundaries issue and it's honestly impressive it has gone for this long when it's as easy as "please ask me before writing about my character taking twelve inches of dick"

[TheFinalPotato]

Okay so if Narutos mangaka asked people not to write smut about the characters he makes and I write my extra smutty naruxkiba fox and the hound lemon I'm basically sexually assaulting and mind raping him

Jk anyone who believes that should get laughed at

Anyways it doesn't matter if it's a character Narutos mangaka made up or a character some random player made up for a spacemans rpg, I'll use other people's ideas however and whenever I want and if they have a problem with it I can just block them because this is the internet

This is the worst possible take

[iamgoofball]

Okay so if Narutos mangaka asked people not to write smut about the characters he makes and I write my extra smutty naruxkiba fox and the hound lemon I'm basically sexually assaulting and mind raping him

Jk anyone who believes that should get laughed at

Anyways it doesn't matter if it's a character Narutos mangaka made up or a character some random player made up for a spacemans rpg, I'll use other people's ideas however and whenever I want and if they have a problem with it I can just block them because this is the internet

touch grass

[Cobby]

It’s a role playing sandbox game even if you aren’t self inserting there’s nothing wrong with having an attachment to your character? I don’t random name exactly for this reason but I do switch around between 2 characters since people know one more/less than the other.

I’m not goIng to put much more effort into this topic and it’s variations but trying to shoehorn sex into a game where, again, the rules (and by extension the community at this point) are pretty clear about not wanting to include sex, is super weird. The only humor present in writing a smut book is the shock value of characters having kinky sex in a world where sex is otherwise disallowed. It’s why people also post other cringe related sex stuff in the library like beastiality and pedo works.

Imagine going to a D&D game where it’s presented that no erotic content is permitted but then you have a character that writes really racy books about his companions “as a joke”. When asked to not do it in the future, you retort, “It’s not YOU who is having sex it’s your characters, stop having such an attachment to them” and “It’s not like I read them out loud (although goblins might and I certainly can’t be held responsible), you have to ask me to read them so it shouldn’t be a problem since you’re opting in!”. If you don’t think the people around that table might find it weird you simply don’t know how to read the room. If you are going to say “well I would only play with people who would find it funny like me” realize you don’t have that “luxury” when joining a public server that can house say 50+ random people with all different backgrounds at a given time, so respect that especially when it’s you who is dancing around the erotic content rule and not them.

[oranges]

you can count on one hand the number of people submitting ERP books, they are likely deeply deeply mentally damaged.

Making them disappear will make this entire debate irrelevant.

[Screemonster]

you can count on one hand the number of people submitting ERP books, they are likely deeply deeply mentally damaged.

Making them disappear will make this entire debate irrelevant.

nooo noooooooooooooooooo but it's a slippery slope to not being allowed to explicitly go out of my way to do other things that other people would rather I not do to them noooooooooo

(see: every other policy discussion that boils down to "should we really have to put up with this thing" vs "deal with it")

[Jimmius]

This is covered by the ruling made here: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... 33&t=29218

To address the overall idea of Rule 8, we believe that the adult section in the library to be a unique exception to the rule with the understanding that the reason for the exception is due to the shitposting/funny nature of the smut.

Now on to the rule changes,
Non-consensual adult books are deleteable and the author can be banned for it per rule 8.

Any form of smut should be under the Adult section of the library, if its anywhere else it is deleteable, though a single incident of this is not a reason to ban anyone unless the book is violating some other rule.

Attempting to circumvent Rule 8 in anyway via books is bannable and should be handled on a case by case basis. We don't see this as something which is particularly common.
Though we do expect administrators to use common sense keeping in mind that, "...the reason for the exception is due to the shitposting/funny nature of the smut."
When there's two players sitting side by side writing detailed smut about each other for 30 minutes to step in and say, "Alright lads, now you're just ERPing by proxy." and ban them per rule 8.

Additionally we saw a few other points brought up during the discussion which are really already covered under the rules but we feel its important to state again:
Any form of harassment against a particular player due to a book is banable, any smut book featuring underage characters is deleteable and the author banable per rule 8.

Headmin Votes:
Coconutwarrior97: Yes, I think the adult section of the library is pretty funny and a cool lil outlet for dumb shenanigans. I can see the need for some more moderation of it, but I think outright deletion of it is going too far.
Jimmius: Yes.
Naloac: Yes.