Basil is, relative to all other /tg/ servers, dead. Can we shut it down or change it's codebase?

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Basil is, relative to all other /tg/ servers, dead. Can we shut it down or change it's codebase?

Post by iamgoofball » #608334

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The numbers don't lie. Why are we spending bandwidth, processing power, and money on a server that performs worse than most dead hub servers, with an average of only 15 players at the most active part of the day (2 AM UTC)?

It's clear we need to do something. Perhaps switch the codebase out, adjust the ruleset, or consider old yellering the poor server.

We haven't been designing for less than 30 player rounds since 2015, and rounds this empty just aren't enjoyable.
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Post by GamerAndYeahMick » #608339

make it a battle royale server
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Post by Agux909 » #608340

Dangerous beehive to be poking.
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Post by oranges » #608341

it costs nothing and you offered no credible alternative
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wesoda25 wrote:Piss off
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Post by MrStonedOne » #608350

iamgoofball wrote: We haven't been designing for less than 30 player rounds since 2015, and rounds this empty just aren't enjoyable.
Did it ever occur to you that this might be cause and effect.

You can't have a high pop server without it first being a dead pop server, and if the code is poorly designed for dead pop, it will never keep population enough to get to high pop.

Where did you get this idea that you can just "not design for low pop" and that would work in the world of gaming?
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Post by Mothblocks » #608358

MrStonedOne wrote:
iamgoofball wrote: We haven't been designing for less than 30 player rounds since 2015, and rounds this empty just aren't enjoyable.
Did it ever occur to you that this might be cause and effect.

You can't have a high pop server without it first being a dead pop server, and if the code is poorly designed for dead pop, it will never keep population enough to get to high pop.

Where did you get this idea that you can just "not design for low pop" and that would work in the world of gaming?
i like to call it the cold start problem when dealing with similar multiplayer games and designing for smaller servers :)
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Post by Mothblocks » #608359

if < 30 rounds weren't enjoyable then basil would have 0 players, it still has a good set of people who choose to play there exclusively, as well as a handful of very dedicated admins (like richie) who are making it a place where people want to be

this is stupid and very capitalist minded
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Post by Tlaltecuhtli » #608372

make bagil MRP US
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who is responsible for the formatting of these charts i fucking love these charts these are such great charts
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Post by Sacko » #608385

Basil has a very dedicated player base and consistent admin activity. Low pop rounds are enjoyed by antag rollers whos odds are much better due to the low players as well as crewmembers who can usually do their jobs peacefully. However muderboning is always going to be a problem on low pop. Such a high admin:player ratio also means TC trades and prayers will always be answered on basil. Also 20 pop isn't completely dead. Tg will always have a low pop LRP server sometimes it will be sybil and other times it will be basil. It is no cause to opt for the nuclear option.
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Stickymayhem wrote:who is responsible for the formatting of these charts i fucking love these charts these are such great charts
he linked the source
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I don't even play basil, but:
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Omega_DarkPotato wrote:
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Bytube wrote:
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wesoda25 wrote:Piss off
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is goof banned from goon or something why does he want it so bad here i dont understand
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Post by sinfulbliss » #608474

15pop isn’t dead and NA pop has shifted between Sybil and Bagil over the years according to the people who have been around to see it.

As long as there are people on Bagil who enjoy Bagil, Bagil shouldn’t be nuked. As for methods to increase the pop, that would require some brainstorming. I think you’d need first an influx of players to TG to begin with, since otherwise it’s just pop moving around leaving gaps where it moves.

Maybe host admin events on Bagil so that people join for the events at least and maybe that’ll drive traffic. But Bagil is a cool place even with 15 pop, despite the cold start problem, nuking it is silly.
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Post by Sacko » #608475

Sinful I am please to announce that I plan to host the talent show on basil now. Sorry sybil enough interest has been shown you guys will show up where ever I hold this yaknow? hopefully it boosts the local economy.
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Post by Bawhoppennn » #608503

>Basil is super lowpop server frequented by a dedicated band of regular players with their own culture and playstyle, while outside individuals from the other servers want to shut it down/turn it into something else under the premise it's just dead weight otherwise.

Huhm, where have I heard this before?

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Post by capn_monkeypaw » #609180

And six months ago Sybil was just as "dead."

Server pop is cyclical. You've been around here long enough to know this.
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Post by iamgoofball » #609189

capn_monkeypaw wrote:And six months ago Sybil was just as "dead."

Server pop is cyclical. You've been around here long enough to know this.
We changed to new dynamic on Sybil about 6 months ago. That's a significant change which thereby impacted server pop.
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Post by lmwevil » #609193

FUCK YOU DON'T TOUCH MY BAGIL AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAaa
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Post by Coconutwarrior97 » #614090

Servers change pops and player types throughout the years, no interest in pursuing this.

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Coconutwarrior97: No change to basil.
Jimmius:No change to basil.
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NamelessFairy: No change to basil.
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