IEDs = Rule 1 Violation Now?

Post by **Vekter** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:22 am #6637

http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=445

So is this policy now? Seems very hugbox to me.

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:35 am #6639

Vekter wrote:http://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=445

So is this policy now? Seems very hugbox to me.

IEDing security five minutes in is supposed to be anything other than dickish? Breaking the brig such that fixing it requires help from engineers who may or may not be willing to help is just all fine and dandy? Greytiding is supposed to be the norm now?

You're an IDIOT. This has been policy basically since IEDs became a thing.
Nice buzzword, by the way.

Post by **ShizCalev** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:57 am #6641

IED'ing security and attacking them for the sole reason of LOLICAN is both very dicky and an epitome of greytiding.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sun May 18, 2014 8:06 am #6642

Aurx wrote:You're an IDIOT.

Yes, absolutely, this is true.

Aurx wrote:This has been policy basically since IEDs became a thing.

This also happens to be true.

However

Aurx wrote:Nice buzzword, by the way.

Aurx wrote:Greytiding

Seriously?

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Sun May 18, 2014 8:29 am #6644

Tossing IEDs at the brig at roundstart is bannable, yes - It's greytide as fuck.

Pandarsenic · Post by **Pandarsenic** » Sun May 18, 2014 8:49 am #6648

Destroying parts of the brig unprompted is, in fact, Not Okay.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:04 pm #6688

can we on the spot execute ied throwers throwing ieds at the brig then

Aurx · Post by **Aurx** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:31 pm #6689

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:
Aurx wrote:Nice buzzword, by the way.

Aurx wrote:Greytiding
Seriously?

Greytiding is a formally defined term used in administrative matters. Hugbox is just there to serve as an ad hominem in a single word.

danno · Post by **danno** » Sun May 18, 2014 4:52 pm #6695

>greytiding
>buzzword

what?? that's not a buzzword
"hugbox" is an infamous buzzword, greytiding is an accurate term for something that happens frequently and observably in the gaame

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:05 pm #6722

Well, from what definition of "buzzword" I could google:
1. A word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons.
2. A stylish or trendy word or phrase.
greytiding fits if you ask me.

But who cares anyway

Pandarsenic · Post by **Pandarsenic** » Sun May 18, 2014 7:11 pm #6724

imblyings wrote:can we on the spot execute ied throwers throwing ieds at the brig then

I wouldn't hate seeing them thrown in perma on the spot if they fuck up a cell. Double points if you tell them "Sorry, you ruined our normal cells" while emoting how saccharine your tone is.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Sun May 18, 2014 8:54 pm #6764

Fun fact you can permabrig someone for intentionally exposing an area to space AKA those idiots who grey tide IED windows.

Psyentific · Post by **Psyentific** » Sun May 18, 2014 8:54 pm #6765

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Well, from what definition of "buzzword" I could google:
1. A word or phrase connected with a specialized field or group that usually sounds important or technical and is used primarily to impress laypersons.
2. A stylish or trendy word or phrase.
greytiding fits if you ask me.

But who cares anyway

Grey Tide - The tendency of the station's Assistants to vastly outnumber Security and to antagonize or harass security, commit petty crimes, interfere with security, or otherwise make their job harder, often for its own sake. A mundane example would be stungloving an officer who has his baton/taser out, or who is transporting a prisoner. An extreme example would be a swarm of assistants outside the brig beating down the windows.

danno · Post by **danno** » Sun May 18, 2014 9:13 pm #6781

just perma/gulag them
no need for execution you psycho

Post by **Vekter** » Mon May 19, 2014 12:18 am #6834

paprika wrote:Fun fact you can permabrig someone for intentionally exposing an area to space AKA those idiots who grey tide IED windows.

This was my point. Can't this be handled in character?

Post by **MisterPerson** » Mon May 19, 2014 1:00 am #6844

Handling a situation ICly doesn't make the OOC player stop being a shit, which is what the admins are here to do.

Post by **Vekter** » Mon May 19, 2014 4:34 am #6895

MisterPerson wrote:Handling a situation ICly doesn't make the OOC player stop being a shit, which is what the admins are here to do.

I more intended that it'd be the kind of thing someone would get a note for, maybe a verbal slap and a permabrigging. If they make a constant habit of it, THEN do something about it.

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:17 pm #7021

Basic issue with IEDing the brig is that it entirely hampers security's ability to deal with criminals, as cells get damaged/destroyed and it's just a generally dick thing to do. That's basically why the policy is set in place to prevent that.

bandit · Post by **bandit** » Mon May 19, 2014 2:29 pm #7024

IEDs used as graytiding tools have been bannable basically from the minute they were implemented. I'm 75% sure this actually came from SoS, too.

Hornygranny · Post by **Hornygranny** » Mon May 19, 2014 4:37 pm #7053

Yes, it did.

Post by **Vekter** » Mon May 19, 2014 9:36 pm #7121

Hornygranny wrote:Yes, it did.

I'm still surprised we don't have an admin decision/ruling forum. Case closed then, lock it up.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:19 am #7315

Metastation has blast doors the warden can close where the cell windows are if IEDs fuck them up. The only thing that's broken by IEDing cells on metastation is the ability to visit prisoners in the cells.

Why the FUCK don't people take more hints from metastation?

Steelpoint · Post by **Steelpoint** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:20 am #7316

Box has had that for a very long time.

Pandarsenic · Post by **Pandarsenic** » Tue May 20, 2014 9:22 am #7318

The problem is the blast doors lock down more than just that and they're not selective. They're extremely inconvenient to have active.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Tue May 20, 2014 11:11 am #7348

When has it ever been a problem anywhere but security.

OH SHIT YOU GUYS, ATMOS TECHS HAVE TO REPAIR DAMAGE TO ATMOS PIPING, FUCKING BAN THOSE GREYSHITS RULE 1

leibniz · Post by **leibniz** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:10 pm #7358

paprika wrote:When has it ever been a problem anywhere but security.

OH SHIT YOU GUYS, ATMOS TECHS HAVE TO REPAIR DAMAGE TO ATMOS PIPING, FUCKING BAN THOSE GREYSHITS RULE 1

It is annoying when they break an APC.

AseaHeru · Post by **AseaHeru** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:28 pm #7370

Yah, APCs are a fucking pain to fix.

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Tue May 20, 2014 12:34 pm #7376

paprika wrote:When has it ever been a problem anywhere but security.

OH SHIT YOU GUYS, ATMOS TECHS HAVE TO REPAIR DAMAGE TO ATMOS PIPING, FUCKING BAN THOSE GREYSHITS RULE 1

The only reason IEDs are not used extensively against security is because it is easy as shit to see someone doing it in the adminlogs, and people got banned for it a LOT before it stopped being so common. Also, it's one thing if it poses a small problem for the engineering team, but an assistant can make IEDs faster then pipes wires and APCs get fixed.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:01 pm #7388

Well shit's supposed to be easier to destroy than to fix.

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:04 pm #7390

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:Well shit's supposed to be easier to destroy than to fix.

That's still not an excuse to allow people to be dicks to security, and engineering without a good reason.

Lo6a4evskiy · Post by **Lo6a4evskiy** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:10 pm #7393

err, who's allowing them?

ban people who do it

what's the fucking problem, do we have to remove all weapons now because somebody might start murdering others as non-antag?

Antonkr · Post by **Antonkr** » Tue May 20, 2014 1:13 pm #7395

Lo6a4evskiy wrote:err, who's allowing them?

ban people who do it

what's the fucking problem, do we have to remove all weapons now because somebody might start murdering others as non-antag?

That was in response to the thread proposing looser punishment for it. People are banned for it and I ban for it.

peoplearestrange · Tue May 20, 2014 1:16 pm

I think this thread has been answered now. Can we please lock it.

callanrockslol · Wed May 21, 2014 6:17 am

danno wrote:no need for execution you psycho

There is always a need for execution.

Always.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 21, 2014 8:22 am #7721

You're not making box fans look any better. I made a legitimate reason for the difference in the maps being a huge deal gameplay-wise and you do this shit.

Anyway like I said, metastation's brig shutters can be selectively closed on the cell windows so grey tide IEDing the brig is way less of a big deal as it doesn't destroy cell functionality on metastation, which is something people have been saying it does. This subforum is for -both- servers, ikarrus.

AseaHeru · Post by **AseaHeru** » Wed May 21, 2014 12:12 pm #7754

Talking about brig shutters is a map war now?

Spoiler:

Why shutters arent off topic is in the spoiler.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Wed May 21, 2014 1:36 pm #7777

If you want to talk about it then you can talk about it without the insults.

I did close more than what was warranted, and I'd like to restore a couple of them, but mods lack the ability to 'un-delete' things.

If you have any other concerns, please take it to PMs with me or a site admin, because I don't want to further sidetrack on-topic discussion.

paprika · Post by **paprika** » Wed May 21, 2014 11:18 pm #7904

Sorry I agree I was turning into a jerk and since you're like the only one who actively works on fixing boxstation's outdated things, I probably shouldn't have. I posted my suggestion in the boxstation feedback thread and hopefully it'll cull the tide a bit.