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ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue May 20, 2014 10:30 pm
by paprika
Bottom post of the previous page:
Why does every thread talking directly about ERP get locked in some form or another? This isn't erro's forum, there's no moderator bias, so just talk about it civilly. Of course, if shit gets out of hand, the thread will need to be locked, but this is a direct discussion about ERP and banning it and stuff so that we can clear this issue up and it can't be floating above our heads forever. You might need to restate your opinion on it that you have a million times but for the sake of an actual discussion coming out of this without a lock by me at least I'd appreciate it.
Anyway, to put it in perspective for new people coming to this thread, the basic idea is that a chunk of players want ERP banned for a couple of reasons. One of the reasons is that the server is 18+ but that rule is very, VERY loosely enforced because no admin really wants to be the guy who hands out bans for being 17 on an 18+ server, which is understandable. The proposed solution is to just make ERP bannable outright. The second reason is that it bothers them/detracts from the game/offends them which is an argument with considerably less basis in my opinion.
The people who want ERP to stay generally say 'grow up'. Personally, I think SoS adapting this policy of 18+ for liability reasons was a good idea, but I also think it made a lot of people consider the legal issues WAYYYY too much. I really doubt SoS is going to be arrested for running a game server that a VERY small minority of players use to ERP on, even if one or both of them is a minor, because a) that won't hold up in court b) no lawyer will ever take that shit seriously because this isn't facebook sexual predators we're talking about.
As I've said in the past, I generally think the policy should be that we don't allow ERP, but instead tolerate it, to a point. What constitutes 'taking it too far' past that point should be pretty clear
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:13 am
by Mat13295
miggles wrote:im pretty sure most of the erp on artyom is the same couple of people doing it a lot instead of a lot of people doing it
and considering how several of sigurd's old players now play on artyom it's not surprising
Pfft, most sigurd players either stopped playing ss13 altogether or just went to pubbie servers/bay/goon. Only other person i know from sigurd who plays on Artyom is like...Dawgas.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 6:49 am
by paprika
That explains it.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sun Jun 22, 2014 8:02 am
by miggles
um mat are you forgetting yourself
also phoal
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:26 am
by paprika
Mat said "only other" as in himself included....
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:06 am
by miggles
nuhuh
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 1:48 pm
by Higgin
miggles wrote:im pretty sure most of the erp on artyom is the same couple of people doing it a lot instead of a lot of people doing it
and considering how several of sigurd's old players now play on artyom it's not surprising
as ever
>mfw
but no really I think I've been doing most of the ERP in the last month.
phoal too, probably.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 3:42 pm
by miggles
probably
as if there is any doubt that PHOAL is erping
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:35 pm
by paprika
Getting absorbed by a nude changeling doesn't count as erp higgin
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:25 pm
by 420goslingboy69
but i played on sigurd
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:28 pm
by miggles
yeah but you got banned pretty early in
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:43 pm
by 420goslingboy69
miggles wrote:yeah but you got banned pretty early in
I was an admin.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 7:43 pm
by ColonicAcid
no he didn't
what
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:36 pm
by miggles
yeah you were an admin and then you got banned
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:29 pm
by Helios127
I know this is the no lock edition
but I really feel this needs a lock.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:53 am
by paprika
No. Not until we reach a consensus like good adults.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 10:39 am
by Mat13295
Guess it's going to be here forever then.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:30 pm
by 420goslingboy69
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 1:25 pm
by miggles
just stop with the cancer killing /tg/ shit dude i dont want to listen to your gross stoner voice
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:01 pm
by 420goslingboy69
miggles wrote:just stop with the cancer killing /tg/ shit dude i dont want to listen to your gross stoner voice
no
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 3:46 pm
by Munchlax
miggles wrote:just stop with the cancer killing /tg/ shit dude i dont want to listen to your gross stoner voice
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 5:51 pm
by paprika
geilebeer wrote:miggles wrote:just stop with the cancer killing /tg/ shit dude i dont want to listen to your gross stoner voice
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 6:55 pm
by ColonicAcid
no.
y'all wouldn't know sultry voices if they hit you like a truck and then began whispering into your ear in a seductive and erotic way.
faggots.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:15 pm
by Higgin
My personal hope for a consensus:
ERPers can ERP away as long as it's not public and obtrusive.
The normal harassing and interruption that always happens can go on but rule one protection extends up to point of violence and killing.
For people who are uncomfortable about it: the site has a disclaimer and observers have ghost ears/eyes, but we should look at making some sort of selective ghost mute that mutes specific players' emotes/says from appearing into players' personal chat logs.
People who ERP in non-assistant or non-important roles like medical, security, engineering before power's set up or any head role should be warned, jobbanned, and then banned in that order for each instance of the conduct after the punishment given prior.
That'd resolve everything.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:39 pm
by miggles
ColonicAcid wrote:no.
y'all wouldn't know sultry voices if they hit you like a truck and then began whispering into your ear in a seductive and erotic way.
faggots.
maybe, but i can assure you that napkun would not be driving that truck
also on topic ban erp its bad
i really would like to see erp banned, and i think that pretty much everyone who does it is bad
and anyone who would leave if it was banned would not be worth missing anyway
but its never going to happen
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2014 7:41 pm
by paprika
It's funny but I'd only like to see erp banned if a server moved towards a more roleplay-centric kind of community, because like with bay, it kind of has a stigma and ruins good roleplay by flooding it with retarded erp shit in dorms. But in this community? It's so rare and since it's usually shitters I don't mind because we get to have fun with them. Any self-respecting actually roleplay-focused community would ban it, but since /tg/ isn't that, there's no reason to do so.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 6:41 pm
by Helios127
Ok. Lets slightly change the subject so we can get something out of this no lock shit post edition of the thread.
At what point are promiscuious actions rape and thus bannable? For instance, is going up and slapping peoples butts 'rape'? I am not arguing that going up to some random person and tying in /me fucks PERSON X hard shouldent be bannable, but I remember someone being banned simply for slapping peoples butts.
Discuss.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:01 pm
by bandit
People have been banned for "promiscuous actions" against simple mobs and imaginary objects, so I mean. It really just comes down to "don't be creepy."
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:07 pm
by miggles
it really comes down to "did the person get offended by it" and thats literally it
trying to define what makes it a "legitimate rape" is horrible, we're not the US justice system
you would think players would be mature enough to know not to sexually harass people in a video game but i guess not
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:29 pm
by ColonicAcid
but is it sexual harassment if I do it to someone I know doesn't care and sees it as a joke.
this isn't black and white miggles that's the thing, it would be extremely easy to rule if it was, honestly it depends on context, going up to a random person who you don't know and slapping their ass? yeah that's p. creepy don't do that.
going up to someone you've known for a year/whatever and slapping their butt? if they're not hyper sensitive then they shouldn't care and will probably see the funny side of it.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 8:52 pm
by Antonkr
it's a pretty cut case of if someone was being a creepy fuck, and when someone is outright raping someone. Typically if someone is simply being creepy, they are told to stop, or risk a permaban. If it's outright rape (yes there is a one definition for rape), then they get banned. It isn't rocket science.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:02 pm
by Helios127
Antonkr wrote:it's a pretty cut case of if someone was being a creepy fuck, and when someone is outright raping someone. Typically if someone is simply being creepy, they are told to stop, or risk a permaban. If it's outright rape (yes there is a one definition for rape), then they get banned. It isn't rocket science.
Nah, not really and being creepy is also a legit clown tactic, albeit in diffrent ways.
Sometimes as a clown, I like to not-so-silently follow someone as they go through their daily routine, honkspamming my backpack. Please tell me how this isnt creepy.
Likewise I think the line should actually be drawn AT slapping peoples butts. Grabbing crotch? Rape. Petting hair? Not rape, but creepy (and not actionable). Call sec if it keeps happening.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2014 9:08 pm
by miggles
ColonicAcid wrote:but is it sexual harassment if I do it to someone I know doesn't care and sees it as a joke.
this isn't black and white miggles that's the thing, it would be extremely easy to rule if it was, honestly it depends on context, going up to a random person who you don't know and slapping their ass? yeah that's p. creepy don't do that.
going up to someone you've known for a year/whatever and slapping their butt? if they're not hyper sensitive then they shouldn't care and will probably see the funny side of it.
nigga you do realize youre trying to disagree with me by agreeing to everything i just said
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:47 am
by paprika
If someone slapped my character's butt i'd want them weekbanned, the purity of my character is extremely important to me and people ignoring that offends me to an extent where it makes me feel extremely uncomfortable and triggered.
No but really the only erpers anymore, on sybil or artyom, are also shitty players so i don't see what's wrong with banning it at this point. Like PG-13 kissing is totally fine but we should ban hand-holding it's fucking disgusting every time I see that shit like come on children play here guys
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 7:59 am
by 420goslingboy69
How does ERP hurt anyone
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:27 am
by Higgin
paprika wrote:No but really the only erpers anymore, on sybil or artyom, are also shitty players
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 4:09 pm
by Helios127
Well, at least I tried to have this be a mature discussion
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2014 8:23 pm
by paprika
>tumblr
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:59 am
by MisterPerson
ColonicAcid wrote:but is it sexual harassment if I do it to someone I know doesn't care and sees it as a joke.
this isn't black and white miggles that's the thing, it would be extremely easy to rule if it was, honestly it depends on context, going up to a random person who you don't know and slapping their ass? yeah that's p. creepy don't do that.
going up to someone you've known for a year/whatever and slapping their butt? if they're not hyper sensitive then they shouldn't care and will probably see the funny side of it.
The /tg/station guide on how to tell if your creepy sexual actions are going to get you banned:
Did anyone adminhelp? If so, you're fucked. Otherwise you're probably fine. Probably.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:10 pm
by Ivan Issaccs
Slapping asses is ban worthy?
I've punched people in clubs for this but I didnt phone the damn police, fuck me.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:11 pm
by miggles
you could legally do that though
its sexual harassment/assault/something
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 1:13 pm
by Ivan Issaccs
But to do that I would have had to be a cum guzzling cock whore and then I wouldnt have had an issue in the first place.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2014 9:08 pm
by paprika
Europe please go we all know you want to be NTRd by black dudes anyway.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:44 am
by ColonicAcid
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europes national anthem.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:45 am
by miggles
i know what that image is from
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:51 am
by ColonicAcid
ever since i found that song i post that shit everywhere it pretty much goes with every occasion
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 10:56 pm
by Alzam
A few days ago there was a round where the AI was rogue, and instead of helping, two people (who had stolen two pairs of insulated gloves, which the crew needed badly, and full toolbelts) stayed in the library backroom doing some fruity as hell erp, (it was in whispers too so all ghosts saw it). Wouldn't have been as bad if they had not taken tools and insuls only to make sure their erp wasn't disturbed. I know normal crewman have no actual obligation to help the station but come the fuck on, metagaming tools and insuls to ensure your fuck session isn't interrupted shouldn't be allowed. Powergaming is bad in general and if we're going to allow erp we shouldn't allow them to deprive the station of important resources while doing nothing.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2014 11:45 pm
by Kelenius
In all seriousness, if someone wants to ERP so badly, what's stopping them from doing it over any other way of communicating?
I mean, there is a ton of ways to send your messages to someone, and all of them except one are not this one.
Why do they really need to do it in the way that can and usually does annoy some people when they can easily do it in a way that doesn't.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 6:03 am
by Lo6a4evskiy
Alzam wrote:Powergaming is bad in general
Alzam wrote:blaming people for not contributing to victory
I get the point, but it's funny.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 8:19 am
by Isane
Alzam wrote:Stuff
And how is that different from people not ERPing, but still completely incompetent and wasting resources and such during situations where the entire crew needs to be on deck, like Nuke Ops, Blob, Malf, etc. ?
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 11:03 am
by Mat13295
I already have an inkling who these two were and all i can really say is ding dong bannu
Stealing important resources to erp during an emergency should be treated the same as a CE fucking off into spess round start.
Re: ERP ban discussion, no lock edition.
Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2014 3:19 pm
by Alzam
Isane wrote:Alzam wrote:Stuff
And how is that different from people not ERPing, but still completely incompetent and wasting resources and such during situations where the entire crew needs to be on deck, like Nuke Ops, Blob, Malf, etc. ?
Outside Blob (cuz blob is not fun to fight) I rarely see people actively refuse to participate in some way in those round types. Obviously this is anecdotal evidence and I understand your point, and it is a valid one. The fact that they were erping is honestly only relevant because I feel if you're going to be a serial ERPer, and use the game -only- as a vehicle to erp with someone, you should not stealing important things like insuls during a rogue ai round.