CLOWNS.

[kevinz000]

So I just played a round with about 9 clowns AND A HOP WHO OPENED AT THE VERY LEAST 11 CLOWN SLOTS
Should nonantag clowns be allowed to tide and be shit?
Should non-antag HoPs be allowed to do this ?

[kevinz000]

Infact it got so fucking bad a NONANTAG clown uploaded laws and made non clowns nonhuman and dangerous.

[Shaps-cloud]

The dumbass clown who uploaded that law got banned

[Zilenan91]

Yeah there gets to be a point where there being that many clowns with all access just gets really shitty. I call the phenomenon the Honkularity. If the number of clowns is equal or greater to than the number of detectives, wardens, and bartenders on the station, it is time to call the shuttle before the sheer amount of honk attracts the badmins to send legions of their brothers in through bombs.

[CPTANT]

Stuff like this is fine when it doesn't happen too often. (except for clowns messing with the AI)

[iamgoofball]

why have the job slot opening feature if you're going to bitch about it being used for what it's intended for

Are you really that incapable of demoting the HoP yourselves that you need to cry to mommythe admins to do it for you?

Grow some balls, get some cuffs and a baton, and arrest his ass for giving 11 clownw all access.

[PKPenguin321]

Stuff like this is fine when it doesn't happen too often. (except for clowns messing with the AI)

not even clowns messing with the AI, because even that can be fine in small doses. ANY non-antag uploading laws that enable/force the AI to commit harm is bad.

[Saegrimr]

There's no difference in a group of assistants running around being shitters smashing things up and attacking people and a group of clowns running around doing the same thing.

[CPTANT]

Stuff like this is fine when it doesn't happen too often. (except for clowns messing with the AI)

not even clowns messing with the AI, because even that can be fine in small doses. ANY non-antag uploading laws that enable/force the AI to commit harm is bad.

Ohw yeah I was referring to this particular instance of what someone did to the AI.

Back on topic:

Some of you guys REALLY want every round to be the same without anything unexpected ever happening don't you?

[Ahammer18]

Made this handy dandy guide for those of you that are confused.

[Cheimon]

but I'm the clown, it's my job to grief

[CPTANT]

Made this handy dandy guide for those of you that are confused.

pfff, minor greytide is basically required when you play an assistant.

Escalation from time to time is fun. My best rounds as HoS are when I get to execute escalated greytide scum to set an example for the rest.

[ShadowDimentio]

Are people incapable of handling minor shittiness without having to make a bitching thread on the forum

[iamgoofball]

Are people incapable of handling minor shittiness without having to make a bitching thread on the forum

[Ahammer18]

>Minor shittiness

hah nice meme I had to ban a nonantag clown for subverting the AI, it wasn't minor.

[Saegrimr]

Because spacing them would cause a different bitching thread on the forum.

[iamgoofball]

>Minor shittiness

hah nice meme I had to ban a nonantag clown for subverting the AI, it wasn't minor.

i think he's referring to the "hop making lots of clowns" bit, at least, I was.

[Ahammer18]

Ah, okay.

[ShadowDimentio]

>Minor shittiness

hah nice meme I had to ban a nonantag clown for subverting the AI, it wasn't minor.

Note that thread guy wasn't complaining about that, rather about the HoP being a baka and opening up 11 clown slots.

A clown subverting the AI is a REAL complaint, but that was handled

[Shaps-cloud]

Well as for the HoP, we've already established in past threads that if a HoP continuously does dumb shit like opening 100x clown slots every round, they can get banned for it. Doing it once gets people to roll their eyes at you, but making a habit of it is definitely bannable.

[newfren]

Why does noone ever make like 100 chemistry/virology/detective slots then close everything else.

That'd be so much funnier than just like 20 clowns if you do it early enough in the round.

[iamgoofball]

Well as for the HoP, we've already established in past threads that if a HoP continuously does dumb shit like opening 100x clown slots every round, they can get banned for it. Doing it once gets people to roll their eyes at you, but making a habit of it is definitely bannable.

Why is this bannable? This can be dealt with ICly.

[Zilenan91]

People don't want to deal with 10000 clowns shitting up the place every round.

[lzimann]

If the same person does this shit a lot of rounds, then it stops being an IC issue

[iamgoofball]

People don't want to deal with 10000 clowns shitting up the place every round.

That's why you arrest them as security and deport them to the gulag.

If the same person does this shit a lot of rounds, then it stops being an IC issue

Mind elaborating on why this stops being an IC issue? Once again, we have security, we don't need admins to be security for us. Just let security permabrig people who are repeat offenders when it comes to this shit and they'll stop doing it without bans and drama and whining babies on the forums.

[lzimann]

The same person opening 100 clown slots every round he is a HoP(or captain) gets really boring after a short while. If you do once in a while it's ok, no one will bother you, but if you do it every damn round then it's ground for an admin intervention.

[bandit]

I would assume this all goes for all-access clowns doing the same.

[Wyzack]

People don't want to deal with 10000 clowns shitting up the place every round.

That's why you arrest them as security and deport them to the gulag.

If the same person does this shit a lot of rounds, then it stops being an IC issue

Mind elaborating on why this stops being an IC issue? Once again, we have security, we don't need admins to be security for us. Just let security permabrig people who are repeat offenders when it comes to this shit and they'll stop doing it without bans and drama and whining babies on the forums.

This is shit because it requires security to meta grudge people's behavior from round to round

[Shaps-cloud]

Because it takes 0 effort to keep joining as HoP and abusing your powers to fuck over the station, just like with chemists spamming lube everywhere. There's not always going to be enough security to deal with the problem, and having to brig the same shitter for reasons bordering on metagrudging every single round is hardly fun to begin with.

[ShadowDimentio]

Well I'd argue that admins policing people like this isn't much fun either but what do I know

[Shaps-cloud]

It's not even policing the playerbase, 99.999% of people never have an issue with it, and if someone goofs around once they don't get instantly banned, admins only step in when it becomes a consistent issue

Shit HoP's have been discussed in the past and we agreed that they should be held accountable for their actions in this thread: https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=1862

[mrpain]

Allow me to give you a play out of the /vg/station play book.

On the subject of clowns, if a clown, were to say, space lube a hallway, I, as an admin, am going to turn a blind eye to it (normally I'd put the screws on anyone else if they did it consistently).

HOWEVER, I'm also not going to care if he gets lynched, killed, and thrown out an airlock for doing it. BUT this doesnt mean someone gets to look at a clown and claim a free valid kill. He has to do something consistently awful first.

And this gets taken off the table if he's using lube or a gimmick to kill people.