Bring back Ban Request

VincVsVincent · Sun Apr 10, 2016 2:09 am

Bottom post of the previous page:

Press yes if you want to be my friend

VincVsVincent · Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:03 am

So the discussion was going pretty well and LOTS of people voted for "YES" until HG decided to pull of one of his classic moves and locked a thread that he didn't like, but I'm a cool kid so I'll make a new one. For the second time.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:05 am #169674

There was no reason to close the other two threads. It's a perfectly valid discussion.

Xhagi · Post by **Xhagi** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:23 am #169682

The definition of madness.

And no it's not coming back.

Post by **Archie700** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:26 am #169685

I'm just going to wait until HG does it again. Or another headmin.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:28 am #169687

I wonder how many of these he'll get to make before a forum ban happens.

Zilenan91 · Post by **Zilenan91** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:32 am #169691

probably not long

TheNightingale · Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:35 am

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Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 12:50 am #169697

Saegrimr wrote:I wonder how many of these he'll get to make before a forum ban happens.

It's fine to disagree with the idea, but HG had no grounds for closing a legitimate discussion on the topic.

Post by **NikNakFlak** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:00 am #169699

He has the only grounds

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:04 am #169700

I get that this is a polarizing subject and that the admins may feel differently about it than the players, but I don't think that makes HG going "I disagree with this opinion, so I'm going to lock this thread" acceptable. All he's doing is making an ass out of himself and driving a wedge between the players and admins. If you disagree with this, explain why.

J_Madison · Post by **J_Madison** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:09 am #169701

Consider the following
Host your server
Play on a close to democratic administration server

ShadowDimentio · Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:13 am

Codecuck Granny will rise again

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:17 am #169706

Video Games

Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:20 am

forum ban inbound

Post by **MMMiracles** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:27 am #169710

viva la ban-requests

iamgoofball · Post by **iamgoofball** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 1:32 am #169711

This isn't a democracy.

Super Aggro Crag · Tue Apr 19, 2016 2:33 am

i dont understand what you hope to accomplish

CrunchyCHEEZIT · Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:16 am

This is just fuckin' stupid.

Ikarrus · Post by **Ikarrus** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 3:46 am #169728

8==========D

Preamble · Post by **Preamble** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:49 am #169737

Ban requests was one of the few entertaining bits of the forum to read.
Why would anyone oppose it?

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:49 am #169739

Preamble wrote:Ban requests was one of the few entertaining bits of the forum to read.
Why would anyone oppose it?

Hit your own dick with a hammer to amuse the rest of us. Do it.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:52 am #169741

I know it sucks, but that's kinda your job.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 4:57 am #169745

'With great power, comes with great responsibility.'

You signed up to watch over a bunch of autistic assholes.

Post by **oranges** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:23 am #169753

I swear to god man if they lock this thread I will probably just revoke my patreon pledge and hg can pay for the server by himself like he always says he will.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:36 am #169755

Entitled historical revisionists at it again.

Thread reminder that since 2011 or maybe even the founding of tg, admins have never been obliged to or removed for not looking into ban requests, with the sole anomalous exception of my time as headcuck and only then because i promised to. Even then i had help because it was tedious work.

Reminder that admins looking into requests is not their """"""""""job"""""""""""" but a voluntary act of naivety or a grudgingly committed expenditure of patience.

Please ensure when arguing for the return of the forum to use correct facts.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 5:48 am #169758

Looking into player disputes and resolving them is half of what an admin is supposed to do. Nobody held a gun to your head and told you that you had to babysit a bunch of autists. If this is too much to handle, don't be an admin.

oranges wrote:I swear to god man if they lock this thread I will probably just revoke my patreon pledge and hg can pay for the server by himself like he always says he will.

I was actually considering pledging 10 bucks or so a month until HG muted me on the forums. If he wants to run the server into the ground, he can pay for it.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:00 am #169762

Are you impaired m8

if it takes someone to specifically volunteer to clear up ban requests, that implies admins have never been obliged to look into it, no matter how hard you insist on your headcanon of what an admin should be

argue for ban requests coming back if you like but don't do it with an attitude on par with customer service horror greentexts

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:02 am #169763

I'll also be the devils advocate.

What people usually when they go into the ban request forums is that they'll have the 'I NEED A VIAL OF BLOOD FROM THEM AND A SIGNED APOLOGY LETTER HAND WRITTEN IN THEIR BLOOD, AND THEN BAN THEIR ASS!' mentality.

So I got a compromise.

Set strict rules on how you handle the 4 no raisin forums.

Rule 1 is Global rule
Self explanatory

Rule 2 is formatting
What you guys had was good enough.

Rule 3 is that you need to provide evidence via logs
Once (If ever) logs are back up you bring the evidence if you are salty enough

Rule 4 is that you have to bring everything. Including what you did.
No 'THIS FUCKER KILLED ME 4 NO RAISIN, I WAS JUST SITTING THERE.' When you were actually in the captains office.

Rule 5 is if an admin has come to a conclusion on what happens to the offender, you will accept it and move on.
Seriously, don't be like this guy https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic ... OD#p129074

Rule 6 is keep it professional
Seriously guys, you are debating on weather a guy can't play an obscure game of spessmen on a spess station in the middle of spess.

Rule CAPS
No allcaps man, all it does is make you look like a tool.

Rule Honk is No grandmas or pepsi
Because I don't like pepsi, or grandmas who wants sex

That's how it should be done

All I really added is that if that if you are salty enough, YOU bring the evidence or the admins shouldn't have to dig around.

Are you impaired m8

if it takes someone to specifically volunteer to clear up ban requests, that implies admins have never been obliged to look into it, no matter how hard you insist on your headcanon of what an admin should be

argue for ban requests coming back if you like but don't do it with an attitude on par with customer service horror greentexts

Entitled historical revisionists at it again.

Thread reminder that since 2011 or maybe even the founding of tg, admins have never been obliged to or removed for not looking into ban requests, with the sole anomalous exception of my time as headcuck and only then because i promised to. Even then i had help because it was tedious work.

Reminder that admins looking into requests is not their """"""""""job"""""""""""" but a voluntary act of naivety or a grudgingly committed expenditure of patience.

Please ensure when arguing for the return of the forum to use correct facts.

Admins jobs are to close disputes anyhow. What are you supposed to do if that's not it?
Press buttons?
Sounds like a glorified god position that can do anything they want.

onleavedontatme · Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:10 am

We do deal with disputes though, every round of every day in the game.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:15 am #169766

Then what makes this different?

TechnoAlchemist · Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:17 am

yackemflam wrote:'With great power, comes with great responsibility.'

You signed up to watch over a bunch of autistic assholes.

I signed up to build dumb shit and test sprites in thunderdome when I don't roll antag

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:22 am #169768

TechnoAlchemist wrote:
yackemflam wrote:'With great power, comes with great responsibility.'

You signed up to watch over a bunch of autistic assholes.
I signed up to build dumb shit and test sprites in thunderdome when I don't roll antag

Then test shit on your own private server like everyone else

TechnoAlchemist · Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:34 am

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:36 am #169771

TechnoAlchemist wrote:no!

:^)

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:46 am #169772

>some nerd decides to cuck themselves into spending time in a spess game to make it better for a second nerd
>the second nerd, less of a cuck but still a cuck since they play the spess game, decides it's not enough and that the first nerd should spend even more time on a forum to soothe salt and provide drama
>the second nerd thinks this has always been the case despite five years having gone past of it not being the case but will ignore this

gentle and last threadly reminder that you can argue for ban requests to come back but admins answering ban requests will foreverially be the domain of those who are naive or those sent out with a double-shotty to put something old out of it's misery

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:50 am #169773

If you don't want to deal with that, why are you an admin?

ShadowDimentio · Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:50 am

It'd certainly look less like the admins were just shoveling Cheetos into their mouths and plainly dismissing their """responsibilities""" if HG didn't keep dropping in on every login and shutting the thread down with a flat 'no'

Also imagine literally anyone that wasn't him doing this. Thread's in the middle of discussion but uuughgh I don't like it it makes you do extra work if you want to, I'm just going to close it with a one word fuck you to anyone who wanted the change.

They'd get deadmined on the spot, but when HG does it the admins just look away and pretend it's all cool.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 6:57 am #169778

There are PLENTY of people who are willing to do this work.

Same concept for the game. If you want more power, you have higher responsibility.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:01 am #169779

Unless I'm a naive guys who thinks that the admins aren't corrupt :^)

Basically we need a system of check and balances.

Except for MSO since he's the host.

Reece · Post by **Reece** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:15 am #169780

If you want this back and the guy up top says no this sort of thread is pointless. It's just going to get closed. You've got to add incentive, make a thread that goes "Here is how much I donate a X, and until Y is done it's not being donated anymore" and see how many others feel the same.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:21 am #169781

Why doesn't HG just host his own server?

Just take this servers code, host his own, and name it HGstation13

onleavedontatme · Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:50 am

yackemflam wrote:There are PLENTY of people who are willing to do this work.

Well it's been 6 years, with 4 hosts, and probably 200~ admins, and FNR has been persistently avoided by almost all those people over all this time. Not sure where these plenty of people have been all this time.

Luke Cox · Post by **Luke Cox** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 7:52 am #169783

Then take turns handling it or something. It may sound harsh, but your job, your problem.

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:03 am #169784

It's like dish washing, someone has to do it.

Saegrimr · Post by **Saegrimr** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:16 am #169785

yackemflam wrote:It's like dish washing, someone has to do it.

MAYBE IF YOU'D QUIT SHITTING ON THE PLATE WHEN YOU'RE TOO LAZY TO GET UP TO GO TO THE RESTROOM AND JUST PUT THEM IN THE FUCKING SINK WHEN YOU'RE DONE

yackemflam · Post by **yackemflam** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 8:21 am #169786

I didn't shit up a plate yet :^)

DrPillzRedux · Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:26 am

People call for admins to tend to ban requests until they themselves become an admin and do it. Then they understand why it's on the backburner.

It promotes dumb drama over stupid shit that happened beforehand and some people just can't get over it. It works when people just want an apology or an explanation from the other party but, let's face it, that shit rarely happened. It was either two raging asspies who couldn't let go of a thing that happened in a round or weird as fuck community drama. That promoted someone to stalk someone ooc and dox them for admins which, while understandable, is fucking disgusting. Hiring an autist to find info on people ooc on the offchance they're metagaming in a free 2d spacegame is fucking something alright.

imblyings · Post by **imblyings** » Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:29 am #169794

>Hiring an autist to find info on people ooc on the offchance they're metagaming in a free 2d spacegame is fucking something alright.

hey now

someone pay me 100USD per month and a base 10USD per-request solved fee and I'll volunteer to look into ban requests again for the rest of the headmin term ;^). For grittier non-antag vs non-antag he said she said cases, I might have to charge extra.

no really I'll need the money because I'm going to have to outsource private investigation duties to eminent and well-established professionals in the field such as jmad or niknak.

in time I will have built a private admin firm that will rival adminbus and we will stage a hostile takeover

DrPillzRedux · Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:38 am

charge 30 an hour you fucking plebian so you can afford a hospital stay after the high blood pressure from it fucks your body

VincVsVincent · Tue Apr 19, 2016 9:52 am

Even if I am banned there will be no stopping to the revival.

VincVsVincent · Tue Apr 19, 2016 10:11 am

https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=6440

https://www.tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewt ... f=2&t=6380

Links to last two threads just in case.