Thank you for taking the time to appeal.
This incident is an excellent example of why WarOps is such a controversial game mode. There have been a number of lengthy threads in Policy Discussion about it as of late. Reading through them will show you that the opinions held by players, admins and coders about this mode span a very large spectrum.
WarOps upends the expectations of a typical round. We could spend a lot of time reviewing each of the norms that players typically throw out of an airlock as soon as war is declared, but it's a lot faster - and to the point - if we review what Nukies Declaring Warâ„¢
doesn't change.
WarOps does
not:
- Suspend enforcement of our rules.
- Suspend the IC chain of command.
- Lower the bar for justifiable IC mutiny.
Both your and bobbahbrown's statements in this thread appear to focus on the severity of your attack on the Captain. To do so is to
broadly miss the point, as your conflict with the Captain was not a simple greytider's dispute over insuls in Primary Tool Storage.
And while I typically find the log excerpts that Bobbah posts into these threads to be generally helpful, his omission of critical context in this case only serves to obscure the core issue:
In the face of any number of alternative options, you forced entry into the bridge during a nuclear emergency and beat a clearly inexperienced Captain into crit
despite being told not to do so by an admin after you ahelped to ask if it was okay.
For your benefit and that of anyone else reading this thread, I'm going to start from the beginning and walk you though the actions (and actions not taken) that earned you this ban.
We'll begin our logdive a little less than
three minutes into the round, shortly after the declaration of war. The crew is already clamoring for AA over comms and they have begun to gather around the HoPline.
While inexperienced Captain Billy Bob attempts to make sense of what just happened, you begin to hack the (MetaStation) HoP office's port airlock:
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[2019-12-15 21:07:55.975] TCOMMS: Herder05/(Billy Bob) [Command] (spans: command_headset ) "Whats going on" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Maintenance (123, 133, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:07:58.213] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(89,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=red
[2019-12-15 21:07:58.458] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(89,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=magenta
[2019-12-15 21:07:58.790] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(89,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=gold
[2019-12-15 21:08:01.906] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(90,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=cyan
[2019-12-15 21:08:02.190] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(90,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=crimson
[2019-12-15 21:08:02.417] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(90,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=brown
[2019-12-15 21:08:02.713] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(90,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21002f1c%5D&action=pulse&wire=blue
21 seconds after gaining entry to the HoP's office, you pop the starboard airlock:
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[2019-12-15 21:08:23.162] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(98,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=[0x21015ae3]&action=tgui:initialize
[2019-12-15 21:08:23.627] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(98,132,2)]) :
[2019-12-15 21:08:23.627] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(98,132,2)]) :
[2019-12-15 21:08:24.027] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(98,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21015ae3%5D&action=pulse&wire=gold
[2019-12-15 21:08:25.331] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(98,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21015ae3%5D&action=pulse&wire=magenta
[2019-12-15 21:08:29.746] TCOMMS: Herder05/(Billy Bob) [Command] (spans: command_headset ) "HOS TO BRIDGE" (language: Galactic Common) (Captain's Quarters (119, 140, 2))
10 seconds later, you're on the bridge:
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[2019-12-15 21:08:34.852] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(101,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=[0x21016879]&action=tgui:initialize
[2019-12-15 21:08:34.996] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(101,132,2)]) :
[2019-12-15 21:08:34.998] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(101,132,2)]) :
[2019-12-15 21:08:35.850] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(101,132,2)]) : /datum/tgui src=%5B0x21016879%5D&action=pulse&wire=magenta
Moments later, the Captain spots you and you have this exchange:
[2019-12-15 21:08:48.688] SAY: Herder05/(Billy Bob) "OUT" (Bridge (114, 132, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:08:52.633] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "Come AA dispenser" (Bridge (113, 134, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:08:56.179] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "we need AA" (Bridge (113, 134, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:09:02.042] SAY: Herder05/(Billy Bob) "NOT RIGHT NOW" (Bridge (108, 136, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:09:05.654] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "why?" (Bridge (103, 135, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:09:08.420] TCOMMS: Herder05/(Billy Bob) [Command] (spans: command_headset )
"HOS TO BRIDGE" (language: Galactic Common) (Bridge (107, 137, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:09:09.114] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "It's warops" (Bridge (103, 135, 2))
We've now arrived at the critical juncture.
We're now less than
four minutes into the round.
It's been about
two minutes since war was declared.
Approximately
18 minutes until nukies come knocking.
You're facing an overwhelmed Captain who is unsure of what to do. 18 minutes to go. Ample time to try and talk the Cap off the ledge and convince him to start handing out AA.
So what do you do?
*BWOINK*
[2019-12-15 21:09:23.738] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #1: Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Can I kill captain for keeping AA to himself in warops?
You ahelp the above.
You express your impatience:
[2019-12-15 21:09:26.818] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "hello" (Bridge (103, 135, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:09:29.597] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "you here?" (Bridge (103, 135, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:09:31.965] TCOMMS: Herder05/(Billy Bob) [Command] (spans: command_headset )
"You and all of sec" (language: Galactic Common) (Bridge (107, 137, 2))
You get a response. You reply.
[2019-12-15 21:09:33.487] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Santa Claus)->Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Err, thatd be a no
[2019-12-15 21:09:45.430] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Archanial/(Michael Sagan)->FatalX1/(Santa Claus): he is sabotaging station
You attempt to steal the Captain's ID via the click+drag menu:
[2019-12-15 21:09:48.639] HREF: Archanial (usr:Michael Sagan[(106,137,2)]) : Billy Bob src=[mob_528];item=256
You argue:
[2019-12-15 21:09:58.763] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "we need AA" (Bridge (110, 137, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:01.262] SAY: Herder05/(Billy Bob) "can you not?" (Bridge (108, 136, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:03.989] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "you dumb fuck" (Bridge (110, 137, 2))
You decide,
38 seconds after being told not to, that toolboxing the captain 14 times is the way forward:
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[2019-12-15 21:10:11.363] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has thrown the mechanical toolbox (Bridge (101, 135, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:18.588] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 91) (Bridge (106, 136, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:19.707] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked [engraved message] with the mechanical toolbox (Bridge (106, 136, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:20.283] ATTACK: Herder05/(Billy Bob) has shoved Archanial/(Michael Sagan) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (109, 136, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:21.021] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 82) (Bridge (108, 137, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:25.078] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 73) (Bridge (114, 130, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:26.077] ATTACK: Herder05/(Billy Bob) has shoved Archanial/(Michael Sagan) (NEWHP: 100) (Bridge (114, 134, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:26.281] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 64) (Bridge (114, 135, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:28.848] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Santa Claus)->Archanial/(Michael Sagan): His choice, I mean he is the captain
[2019-12-15 21:10:30.004] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 55) (Captain's Quarters (115, 130, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:33.799] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 46) (Central Primary Hallway (125, 127, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:39.081] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 28) (Central Primary Hallway (126, 141, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:39.456] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 19) (Central Primary Hallway (126, 142, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:40.195] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 19) (Central Primary Hallway (125, 143, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:40.937] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 10) (Central Primary Hallway (125, 144, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:42.895] ATTACK: Herder05/(Billy Bob) has shoved Archanial/(Michael Sagan) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (120, 144, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:44.530] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 1) (Central Primary Hallway (116, 144, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:46.296] ATTACK: Herder05/(Billy Bob) has shoved Archanial/(Michael Sagan) (NEWHP: 100) (Central Primary Hallway (109, 144, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:48.159] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -8) (Central Primary Hallway (106, 146, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:49.175] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -17) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 148, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:51.507] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has attacked Herder05/(Billy Bob) with mechanical toolbox (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -26) (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
Stunned at what I've just seen, I (quite rudely) jump into Fatal's ticket: (Sorry, Fatal.)
[2019-12-15 21:10:54.553] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Jagoff, what did we just tell you?
You handcuff the Captain,
strip his ID and reply:
[2019-12-15 21:10:55.752] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "get AA" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:10:57.188] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has handcuffed Herder05/(Billy Bob) (NEWHP: -26) (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:03.801] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has stripped PDA-Billy Bob (Captain) off Herder05/(Billy Bob) (NEWHP: -26) (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:06.914] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Archanial/(Michael Sagan)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): not killing him just crit
You then start to patch him up.
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[2019-12-15 21:11:07.694] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has grabbed Herder05/(Billy Bob) passive grab (NEWHP: -26) (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:13.895] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: -16) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:14.826] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: -6) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:14.976] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 4) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:16.069] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 14) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:16.218] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 24) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:16.368] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 34) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:16.988] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 44) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:17.313] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 54) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:17.458] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 64) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:17.608] ATTACK: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) has healed Herder05/(Billy Bob) with suture (NEWHP: 73) (Fore Primary Hallway (106, 150, 2))
From this point on, I'll let all of our words tell the rest of the story:
[2019-12-15 21:11:19.940] SAY: Herder05/(Billy Bob) "FUCK OFF" (Fore Primary Hallway (107, 150, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:40.596] SAY: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) "retard" (Central Primary Hallway (91, 145, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:46.569] TCOMMS: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) [Common] (spans: ) "Captain is a faggot" (language: Galactic Common) (Central Primary Hallway (87, 139, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:51.122] TCOMMS: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) [Common] (spans: ) "And he denied AA" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Primary Hallway (86, 140, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:11:56.050] TCOMMS: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) [Common] (spans: ) "What should I do with him?" (language: Galactic Common) (Port Primary Hallway (86, 140, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:12:53.512] TCOMMS: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "Fuck the captain" (language: Galactic Common) (Captain's Quarters (121, 137, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:12:58.109] TCOMMS: Archanial/(Michael Sagan) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "He denied AA" (language: Galactic Common) (Captain's Quarters (121, 137, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:12:59.744] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Handing out AA is not a requirement of warops. - - You asked if you could attack the cap over it, we said no and you did it anyway.
[2019-12-15 21:13:15.096] TCOMMS: Herder05/(Billy Bob) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "I DID NOT DENY JUST WAS BUSY" (language: Galactic Common) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 131, 2))
[2019-12-15 21:14:11.064] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Archanial/(Michael Sagan)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I asked if I could kill him (valid) instead I put him to crit, healed him and took AA for everyone. By not giving us AA he is actively trying to sabotage our odds of survival and he was just standing in bridge
[2019-12-15 21:14:47.012] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Stop arguing the technicalities of it. - - You're getting a 24 hour ban. - - Why ahelp if you're not going to listen?
Here's the long and short of it: I don't really understand how you can - without blushing, anyway - make the argument that this exchange...
[2019-12-15 21:09:23.738] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #1: Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Can I kill captain for keeping AA to himself in warops?
[2019-12-15 21:09:33.487] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Santa Claus)->Archanial/(Michael Sagan): Err, thatd be a no
...somehow gave you permission to to beat the Captain into crit, kidnap and then steal from him. If you truly feel that you can make that argument with a straight face and that the distinction actually matters, I'll edit the ban note to read "Ahelped to ask if he could kill the Cap for refusing to hand out AA during warops, was told no and then proceeded to beat him into crit instead."
That's as far as I'm willing to edit. I'm not going to fundamentally change the note's contents or nullify the actual ban.