/tg/Station 13

Account: HentacleTentai
Char: Edgar Wilks
Banning admin: CedarBridge
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Job Ban (drone) & Complete Ban
Ban reason and length: Permanent (Drone lit plasma on fire, people were caught in the fire and died)

Time ban was placed (including time zone): Around 9:25 EST

Your side of the story: I was trying to stop the plasma from killing everyone and attempted to evacuate all people, after the coast appeared clear, I lit the plasma on fire to get rid of it. Turns out some people hid in lockers and died in the fire.
Admin PMed me saying a drone had lit plasma on fire, but I did not notice it because I was trying to get contain the plasma. He then decided to job ban me, then must have changed his mind and banned me permanently for the server.

Why you think you should be unbanned: I made an attempt to evacuate all people and minimize the spread of the plasma. Otherwise the plasma would have filled all sectors except the area west of the bar resulting in highly toxic air. A temporary job ban and a inquiry would have been reasonable, but a permaban on a first offense is less so. I make an effort to contribute to all departments of the station to keep a healthy environment and one mistake got me permabanned so I wish to rectify the situation.

Thanks for your time and I hope we can resolve this soon.

Juuzou wrote:I lit the plasma on fire to get rid of it.

Regardless if this appeal goes through or not: what made you think this was the best way to go about that? Just curious

Your full ban reason was this:

Permanently banned - As a drone, lit plasma in hallways on fire and lit people on fire in the process. Did not respond to PMs. Appeal on the forums if you're not interested in responding in game.

I got several ahelps that a drone was lighting plasma fires in the hallways. When I found you, you had already burnt the bar and a chunk of medbay. When I PM'd you, you crowbarred through a firelock and lit another fire. As it seemed you weren't listening, I gibbed you and applied the bans. The bans were placed in the order they were more for ease of the ban system than changing my mind.

The permaban was to get your attention and to get you to explain yourself, which you have done here. I'm willing to scale back the ban to a day per person who died, which I understand to be the standard for non-antag murders.

The drone ban will stick for a while. As a drone you are meant to repair and improve the station. Burning plasma that has flooded into the hallways does not improve or repair the station but ultimately causes more damage, definitely interferes with other beings on the station, and directly interferes with the antag that spread the plasma. Also, given that you explain that you "attempted to evacuate all people" from the area shows you were consciously interfering with other non-drones.

Qbopper wrote:

Juuzou wrote:I lit the plasma on fire to get rid of it.

Regardless if this appeal goes through or not: what made you think this was the best way to go about that? Just curious

I didn't want to plasma to spread more which I thought would have inevitably caused more damage to the station. I've only been playing this game for a week or so and didn't think burning it out of the air would cause as much damage as it must have. I thought it would have kept more of the station from being put into jeopardy.

The air scrubbers also appeared to not be working but I may have been mistaken

cedarbridge wrote: The drone ban will stick for a while. As a drone you are meant to repair and improve the station. Burning plasma that has flooded into the hallways does not improve or repair the station but ultimately causes more damage, definitely interferes with other beings on the station, and directly interferes with the antag that spread the plasma. Also, given that you explain that you "attempted to evacuate all people" from the area shows you were consciously interfering with other non-drones.

I've read the rules on the wiki since I was unaware of them and confused when you said "shows you were consciously interfering with other non-drones" (Didn't see laws displayed like the ones borgs have, assumed they were the same). I am now aware of the 3 laws DRONES have and will make a conscious effort to follow them.

Not that this response was necessary, just explaining the situation.

Be it noted that this ban appears to have been placed after the drone OOC flavour text was merged that states in big bold red letters not to interfere with the round, and what that means.

that does not indicate it was present on the game servers at that time though.

oranges wrote:that does not indicate it was present on the game servers at that time though.

I had assumed that if the in-game changelog files an addition under a specific date that it actually shows up on the server on that date.

I verified that this change was active On the sever at the time after applying the bans and not before.

> the feature that is suppose to avoid players getting banned is being used to get players banned

RIP

Even then the vague lawset drones have would still dictate a drone shouldn't be starting plasmafires in pretty evident terms.

Can I get a date for when the permaban will be lifted?

Juuzou wrote:Can I get a date for when the permaban will be lifted?

It's forever. That's why it's called a permaban

Juuzou wrote:Can I get a date for when the permaban will be lifted?

Unless a headmin wants to step in I'm amending this to 4 days server (including time already served) and leaving the drone ban. One day for each person killed in the firestorm (that I saw anyway.)

I was trying to stop the plasma from killing everyone

I made an attempt to evacuate all people

For future reference if you get un drone banned later, you should completely disregard the existence of other non-drone beings. Even if they're on fire and dieing. Don't create any dangerous situations, and don't try to save people from existing dangerous situations. You can fix the danger if it's part of the station(using scrubbers for the plasma would have been fine), but don't do anything that could create a hazard(SPACEMAN! FIRE! HOT!)

Or put it this way. Plasma in the air doesnt actually cause damage to the station (its toxics to humans sure, but you dont care about that). Plasma on fire DOES cause damage.

But to be totally honest drones should more be caring about structure and general maintenance, everything else is the Engineers/Atoms Techs job.

peoplearestrange wrote:Or put it this way. Plasma in the air doesnt actually cause damage to the station (its toxics to humans sure, but you dont care about that). Plasma on fire DOES cause damage.

But to be totally honest drones should more be caring about structure and general maintenance, everything else is the Engineers/Atoms Techs job.

with the new OOC notice it shouldn't even matter that this makes sense in the IC laws but let's be real no one reads anything in a mostly text based multiplayer game

This is actually a interesting question: Does a drone have a responsibility to maintain atmosphere? Plasma is inherintly dangerous stuff because it can be set on fire. There's a few ways of getting rid of it (IE draining it via atmos, or using space to drain it) but it can be hard to get rid of it.

starmute wrote:This is actually a interesting question: Does a drone have a responsibility to maintain atmosphere? Plasma is inherintly dangerous stuff because it can be set on fire. There's a few ways of getting rid of it (IE draining it via atmos, or using space to drain it) but it can be hard to get rid of it.

A bomb is an inherently dangerous thing that can destroy huge chunks of the station but drones aren't allowed to defuse those either.

starmute wrote:This is actually a interesting question: Does a drone have a responsibility to maintain atmosphere? Plasma is inherintly dangerous stuff because it can be set on fire. There's a few ways of getting rid of it (IE draining it via atmos, or using space to drain it) but it can be hard to get rid of it.

"don't interfere with the round" takes precedence over "repair the station"

While this is good policy discussion, this ban has already been amended. Perhaps move the policy to the designated threads?

Yeah, sorry about that

should probably have this locked

good idea