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Byond account and character name: Repukan - Donatello Versus

Banning admin: AmbassadorMagikarp

Ban type (What are you banned from?): Week long security ban

Ban reason and length: Reason: As security, harmbatonned and perma'd a person who was being a minor nuisance. While normally I'd let it slide he proceeded to doorcrush them on the blastdoors. You need to take a step back and understand that there's a reason why you have an unholy number of notes and bans for your relative playtime. 1 week

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2017-04-24 22:50:01 PM EST

Your side of the story: After suiting up and reporting to my assigned department and helping load crates, we get screams from the captain quarters exclaiming the clown broke in and is trying to sacrifice them to Nar'Sie. As I respond and stand next to the bridge doors until the HoS or AI let us through, an assistant rushes to my side, disarms me, and starts choking me. This is repeated twice, after which the assistant escapes. As the captain is secured and the crew begins the process of deconversion and aggressive implanting (As in, secure cargo and order implants) I call on radio to set said assistant to arrest. After they're arrested, which was during a moment in the shift in which we were busy with cult base searching, I leave them on perma until we get more implants, and shutter crush them enough to leave them damaged so an escape through space is more difficult. They were not hurt to the point of bleeding nor crit.

Why you think you should be unbanned: This feels more like banbaiting honestly.

Let us take a look on the list of charges this assistant committed while I was trying to respond to the captain quarter's call:

1) Assault on an officer - That is, if I hadn't broken his grip, I would have started taking oxy damage. I would have assumed it was a prank if he hadn't tried twice to do this
2) Inciting a manhunt - Really didn't expect him to surrender, but these are resources during which the captain was being attacked
3) Aiding and abetting - By inciting a manhunt and trying to incapacitate an officer responding to a call

All of his charges are enough to warrant execution or perma, given the context and what I was responding to in the moment. However, I believe Magikarp acted on a note that was supposed to be removed if the appeal was successfully appealed.

Or I could be wrong and Greyshit McTider was a good boy that dindu nuffin, was getting his life on track in the chapel and was an honor student in the academy of tiders.

Admin edit: Corrected ban type

Space law is a SUGGESTION not the RULES so dont cite that.

But the rules page isn't a suggestion.

Players who attempt to break into the captain's office, head of personnel's office, or the bridge at or near roundstart for no legitimate reason put themselves at risk for being legitimately killed by the captain, heads of staff, or security.

He threw away any value his life had when he broke in and it's a miracle he was left alive.

And aiding and abetting an antagonist is acting like an antagonist. Which allows you to be treated like one. I would've executed him on spot as a suspected cultist if holy water wasn't immediately available.

Armhulen wrote:But the rules page isn't a suggestion.

Players who attempt to break into the captain's office, head of personnel's office, or the bridge at or near roundstart for no legitimate reason put themselves at risk for being legitimately killed by the captain, heads of staff, or security.

He threw away any value his life had when he broke in and it's a miracle he was left alive.

Yeah sure but dont list charges as a valid thing to kill him say that.

D&B wrote:acted on a note that was supposed to be removed if the appeal was successfully appealed.

I can't comment on the ban because I don't have context but I'd say even looking beyond notes you're known to take things pretty far as sec, and I can understand why an admin without context wouldn't be surprised if you did something overstepping what's acceptable

again I don't have to context here and don't intend to comment on the ban specifically but you do have a rep at this point

Qbopper wrote:

D&B wrote:acted on a note that was supposed to be removed if the appeal was successfully appealed.

I can't comment on the ban because I don't have context but I'd say even looking beyond notes you're known to take things pretty far as sec, and I can understand why an admin without context wouldn't be surprised if you did something overstepping what's acceptable

again I don't have to context here and don't intend to comment on the ban specifically but you do have a rep at this point

I don't think it's that but just his notes in general, it's a mess in there

I asked Magikarp and they said it also played a hand in the ban outlined above.

Haevacht wrote:Space law is a SUGGESTION not the RULES so dont cite that.

I don't believe that was an appeal to space law but merely an outline of "this is the shit he did in the form of concrete charges for which he was being punished." Which is kinda the point of sec.

I would have incinerated the assistant you went easy on him.

Space law is dumb but so is choking out an officer twice. What was the name of the assistant and what server did this happen on?

It was on Bagil, Assistant was Bryce Harris

The assistant joined and ran up to him and grabbed him with the intention of dying as such by being a memelord who pretended to be a ling or something dumb but I'm primarily centering this around the fact that repukan willingly harmbatonned+chain blastdoorcrushed a guy into slightly above orange he perma'd after being put on probation over his sec play

If it wasn't for your notes I would've accepted it as such and told you to lighten up

Though the way I got it from both of you was that you were both not in any form of extreme urgency and he just arrived, shoved you over and grabbed you as an annoying prank and then you escalated to perma+crushing him because of the convenient excuse of a cult that popped up

I'll check through the logs in a bit when I'm fully available to be 100% sure on it

>round starts
>assistard runs into brig
>repukan stuns him before he can take another step
>HARMBATONS HIM FOUR TIMES
>pm him "Hey you already had him stunned, don't do that."
>explain that this is how greytide happens
>repukan tells me to fuck off
>tell him that he can't keep doing this shit
>three weeks, several sec-related bwoinks, and an equal amount of urging people to ahelp repukan's shit instead of rioting about it later he's been banned twice for being shitty sec and shit in ahelps

hmmm

Oh you mean that same day you locked ooc to preach your wisdom as if you were a god sent beacon?

The very same day everyone was complaining about faux-revs and extreme tiding?

an admin's wrongdoing doesn't make shitty sec play ok

Is it even shit security gameplay to place an assistant that is aiding a cultist in perma though? Or to give three or four whacks to an assistant trespassing in the brig?

Assistant in question here. The meme started right near the turn from tool storage hallway right below that little tunnel that goes to detectives office. Didn't even know that it was cult round before and checking the logs show that the first call out for cult was like 4 seconds before I pushed him. This was not me rushing the bridge or the brig or hop's office. This was pushing over and grabbing a sec officer in the hallway.

D&B wrote:Oh you mean that same day you locked ooc to preach your wisdom as if you were a god sent beacon?

The very same day everyone was complaining about faux-revs and extreme tiding?

If it was, the fact that we're here a second fucking time after the above mentions AND me muting OOC to try and tell everyone to stop fighting as a result of a shitshow that you were at the center of just goes to show how much you need to stop.

I'd perma an assistant who attacked a sec officer with his bare hands tbh. On the other hand, smashing someone in the door shutters so they cant escape through space if someone comes to jailbreak them is hilariously powergamey.

as much as I agree that repukan needs to smarten up lest someone snaps and rule zero's them it's not really relevant to the ban appeal

D&B's reputation aside, charging an officer and trying to knock him over and choke him as a nonantag for no reason other than to be a shit bag is a really shitty thing to do and not the kind of thing we should be encouraging.
Also there's this

The assistant joined and ran up to him and grabbed him with the intention of dying

The guy was literally trying to get D&B to kill him. So what's the problem here? Not doing it in a humane fashion? Hell, if the assistant ahelped it they should be the ones getting banned considering that'd be pretty blatant ban baiting.

Perma is basically the same as an execution. If it's ok to perma them(I think it was in this case - disarm an officer is a prank, spam disarm and choke isn't) then why isn't it ok to kick their ass or even blast door slam them? Maybe he won't choke random people 4NR if his arms get crushed in a door.

IcePacks wrote:>round starts
>assistard runs into brig
>repukan stuns him before he can take another step
>HARMBATONS HIM FOUR TIMES
>pm him "Hey you already had him stunned, don't do that."
>explain that this is how greytide happens
>repukan tells me to fuck off
>tell him that he can't keep doing this shit
>three weeks, several sec-related bwoinks, and an equal amount of urging people to ahelp repukan's shit instead of rioting about it later he's been banned twice for being shitty sec and shit in ahelps

hmmm

tbh if bryce fucking pax bwoinked me to be nicer to greytiders id prolly tell you to fuck off too

Nilons wrote:

IcePacks wrote:>round starts
>assistard runs into brig
>repukan stuns him before he can take another step
>HARMBATONS HIM FOUR TIMES
>pm him "Hey you already had him stunned, don't do that."
>explain that this is how minor IC crime happens
>repukan tells me to fuck off
>tell him that he can't keep doing this shit
>three weeks, several sec-related bwoinks, and an equal amount of urging people to ahelp repukan's shit instead of rioting about it later he's been banned twice for being shitty sec and shit in ahelps

hmmm

tbh if bryce fucking pax bwoinked me to be nicer to greytiders id prolly tell you to fuck off too

I was gonna write a rant but this basically tbh

Nilons wrote:

IcePacks wrote:>round starts
>assistard runs into brig
>repukan stuns him before he can take another step
>HARMBATONS HIM FOUR TIMES
>pm him "Hey you already had him stunned, don't do that."
>explain that this is how minor IC crime happens
>repukan tells me to fuck off
>tell him that he can't keep doing this shit
>three weeks, several sec-related bwoinks, and an equal amount of urging people to ahelp repukan's shit instead of rioting about it later he's been banned twice for being shitty sec and shit in ahelps

hmmm

tbh if bryce fucking pax bwoinked me to be nicer to greytiders id prolly tell you to fuck off too

Fucking savage

A bit slow on the reply, but I'm lifting your ban due to the associated note being left in mistake now that i've also talked to pkp. Your notes on this ban and the other are removed as well.

This was a rollercoaster.

Thanks