atlantaned - akesson - sec ban for doing job edit: nakeds

[J_Madison]

Byond account and character name: akesson random
Banning admin: atlantaned
Ban type (What are you banned from?): sec
Ban reason and length: 2880 Security job ban - Arrested a naked lizard and brigged them in a plasma filled cell. Made minimal effort to apply internals leading to the lizard dying. You know better than this.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): ~2235 GMT
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): basil

Your side of the story:
Usual round taking toll. Nothing stressful so far.
Arresting apparently Nuke ops, false alarm.
Apparent changeling died/got rid of.
Arresting criminals right now.
One naked lizard broke into captain's office roundstart, died. Okay captain's standard.
Another semi-naked lizard told to zip up.
Gulag one criminal, one for theft of criminal and preventing arrest.
Arrest lizard.
Fuck dock his tail as creative punishment.
Atmos flood. can't dock tail now.
Bail out, put him in a cell, 2 minutes. plasma floods in
Can't give him internals because no jumpsuit. His problem.
Tells me to get him an oxy tank.
yeahokay, you identify as naked and force it on me.
go to check shit out in the brig, see if there's anything I can do. I won't lie, I wasn't really looking to find an airtank if that's his attitude.
bug abusing changeling comes in.
tries to kill me, doesn't work, sets brig on fire.
brig fight moves away from fire.
fire spreads towards door, save myself.
brig is engulfed.
bwoinks start.
explain my reasons.
banned from sec.
try to reason and work it out before I posted this. no avail.
enjoy the rest of the round wholesomely as sec.

Why you think you should be unbanned:
Literally doing my job.
Wasn't my fault atmos flood when I was dealing with them.
Put on a jumpsuit.
Banbaiting - you know you committed a crime, you know you wanted to be a speshul snowlflek, you got what you asked for.
Banned for literally doing my job.

[Pascal125]

This seems fairly identical to the last ban he got for this. Which was lifted.
Sorry to peanut post but seriously. People shouldn't be banned from security for doing their job and refusing to cave in and stop doing their job.

That's what they want. That's likely why this guy was A-Helped in the first place. They want him to stop enforcing the law. They want him to stop caring. Otherwise, they want him gone.
That is Security in a nutshell. Nowadays.

[danno]

yeah didn't this already happen and was already lifted

[christ110]

tbh, i was the lizard player who died, and i will state 2 things.
1, this is getting old. you got better stuff to do during a ling round. you should know this.
2, you could have taken my jumpsuit out of my duffelbag, and put it on me, then put the oxy tank. its not hard.
that being said, i do not believe this guy should have been banned as a result.

[christ110]

if sec wishes to enforce space law to the fullest, they should also read the last section.

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again, this is so minor, and i lost interest to the point where i would just unban them.

[Pascal125]

He has every right to be safely detained in his cell.
But how else is he going to learn. He was an inconvenience to security, and he got inconvenienced. I can totally see why J_Mad might not have given a damn. Even though it was likely because he didn't know and it happened after the fact.

Do you really expect the officer to always spend a minute of their time just to give them a jumpsuit, which. Mind you, might not even be in his bag. a mask, an oxygen tank, and turn it on, which they will likely then strip out of instantly and then hold a tank in their hand while saying it's hilarious how they got brigged for nudity? Fuck off. Do it yourself. I find it extremely unlikely that he'd have just left you bucklecuffed in there.

Why didn't he put his own internals on then, huh?
What, did he leave it behind with his shirt?
Sounds like his problem, to me.

[Atlanta-Ned]

The ban was for stuffing a naked person into a cell that was filled with plasma, without internals. If it was a crime like, murder, or grand theft, sure. This was a naked lizard. The brig was filled with plasma. You do the math.

EDIT: While still cuffed to a stretcher.

[J_Madison]

WEAR A JUMPSUIT IN THE FIRST PLACE.

[J_Madison]

I am NOT obligated to help you, or fix your stupidity.

This is covered many times.

You DO NOT have to clone someone.
You DO NOT have to help someone.
You DO NOT have to do what they ask you to do.

You cannot kill or hide their body.
You cannot prevent them helping themselves.
You cannot prevent others from doing what they've been asked.

But I'm in control of what I do.

And I do not have to help someone out of their own stupidity. Darwin's law. Learn or die.


Oh and Atlanta. I did put a mask on their face. They just didn't have a jumpsuit.

Also bug abusing changeling.

[christ110]

You cannot prevent them helping themselves.

you did leave me cuffed inside the brig, that is preventing me from helping myself when i am dying, and need to get my suit on, or hold my oxytank in my bag.

[J_Madison]

You cannot prevent them helping themselves.

hold my oxytank

that would allow you to break out of brig.

[christ110]

You cannot prevent them helping themselves.

hold my oxytank

that would allow you to break out of brig.

the best i could do is try to break the glass, and get shocked by the grill, critting me.
alternatively, uncuff me and put me in perma, or gulag. all valid options.

[J_Madison]

You cannot prevent them helping themselves.

hold my oxytank

that would allow you to break out of brig.

the best i could do is try to break the glass, and get shocked by the grill, critting me.
alternatively, uncuff me and put me in perma, or gulag. all valid options.

break the door.
i'm not permabrigging for nudity. gulag needs escalation.

[iamgoofball]

Surprise, public logs are back.

When you refuse to dress yourself prior when the officer tells you to put some fucking clothes on, why do you expect him to dress you yourself when you've refused to put clothes on to begin with?

[christ110]

You cannot prevent them helping themselves.

hold my oxytank

that would allow you to break out of brig.

the best i could do is try to break the glass, and get shocked by the grill, critting me.
alternatively, uncuff me and put me in perma, or gulag. all valid options.

break the door.
i'm not permabrigging for nudity. gulag needs escalation.

if your going to enforce space law. a gulag with a target of 100pts is acceptable for my crime
a door, vs an airtank. code-wise, thats literally impossible. if you tell me that you're perma-ing me temporarily, then there wont be an issue.

[BeeSting12]

He shouldn't have to release you after your temporary sentence from perma, especially considering that it's a minute. And dude, he's trying NOT to be shitcurity by brigging you over gulagging.

[J_Madison]

You cannot prevent them helping themselves.

hold my oxytank

that would allow you to break out of brig.

the best i could do is try to break the glass, and get shocked by the grill, critting me.
alternatively, uncuff me and put me in perma, or gulag. all valid options.

break the door.
i'm not permabrigging for nudity. gulag needs escalation.

if your going to enforce space law. a gulag with a target of 100pts is acceptable for my crime
a door, vs an airtank. code-wise, thats literally impossible. if you tell me that you're perma-ing me temporarily, then there wont be an issue.

glass door, my bad. glass door disposals.

I'm not gulagging you over first offense nudity.

also

put on a jumpsuit
ok
uncuff

[christ110]

>put on a jumpsuit
>no
>okay then fucking die because you have no internals I guess
>YOU SHOULD HAVE JUST LET ME BREAK OUT SHITCURITY

thats why i said he should be unbanned.

[danno]

I've genuinely lost track of the rounds were this stupid naked shit ends up with people rioting or christ110 adminhelping because an officer kicked their ass for repeatedly committing a crime just to spite security.
Like holy shit. How the fuck do you people do this song and dance every single round?
I'm getting tired of it, the other admins that have seen it happen are tired of it, and I should have told everyone involved to cut the shit much earlier. This thread probably wouldn't be here.

To everyone who gets involved in this dumb shit, whether it be;
- The assistant taking the opportunity to riot against sec because they want to "defend" Hits-The-Wizard
- The officer losing their shit at these people and metagrudging them across rounds because the nudists do it every fucking shift
- The ligger himself, refusing to obey the most simple of laws and then crying in adminhelp when they get knocked around for it (Starting to feel like banbaiting, to be honest!)

This is an official order from the biggest dicked, loosest cannon on the motha fucking sharezone, to cut the shit. I swear to god if I see you people fucking up anymore rounds with this you'll be making appeals of your own. Just stop, for christ's sake (get it?)

this post is unrelated to the proceedings of this ban appeal. I wasn't involved in this particular ban at all, but I feel justified in making this post because I've been involved in multiple situations just like this across multiple rounds.

I'm just giving off a warning shot, stop fucking the game up with your petty SHIT

[danno]

God, why do you have to turn it all into a grudge-filled meta banbaiting fiasco. Play the game.

[Pascal125]

To everyone who gets involved in this dumb shit, whether it be;
- The assistant taking the opportunity to riot against sec because they want to "defend" Hits-The-Wizard
- The officer losing their shit at these people and metagrudging them across rounds because the nudists do it every fucking shift
- The ligger himself, refusing to obey the most simple of laws and then crying in adminhelp when they get knocked around for it (Starting to feel like banbaiting, to be honest!)

Then what do you propose we do. Because somethings gotta give, here. Danno.
He is continuously being naked. Which is a crime. A repeated one, shift after shift.
And that makes people enforcing the law regarding it look like metagrudgers. When that's not really their intention. It's just happening shift after shift.
I think we're honestly all tired of this.

Either tell him to wear clothes; or man up and take his sentence with grace when he gets arrested, or make being naked not a crime. That's all i can think of. Here.
Tider's aside. It's not like we can just "Cut the shit" and that's that, you know? It's a delicate issue centered around minor crime and inconveniences that probably should be a policy discussion. But it's just silly and i don't even know how to go about that. Personally.

[danno]

I just told you what I propose. If I see this stuff happen again I'm going to call it banbaiting and ban someone for it.

[Atlanta-Ned]

Read Danno's words and commit them to memory.

Ban lifted. Sorry for the fuss.

[J_Madison]

alrighty. thank you very much.


though it is forgiven, it isn't forgotten. I have lost several rounds of wholesome sec rounds that I will never get back.
please consider twice before applying a ban. often it leaves behind long periods of waiting and rounds and memories missed out, and a note that can affect the future of player.

i appreciate only the sec ban. it allowed me to enjoy the rest of the round.