[darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

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[darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

Post by Ghodere » #318588

Byond account and character name: Ghodere - Plutonium CCXXXIX

Noting admin: darkgenerallord

Note reason: Warned to at least try to resist conversion, even if you're surrounded.

Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2017-07-18 03:47:50 GMT, server time

Server: Bagil

Your side of the story: As a plasmaman, at very near roundstart (2 minutes, according to logs) I had made the cryo mix and was stocking the pods when Sloan came into medbay and flashed two people and attempted to flash me, and I believe shook up those others he just flashed. That's the context of the logs, with all three tiles around me occupied by revs.

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[03:44:41]SAY: Plutonium CCXXXIX/Ghodere : Ah, (175,86,2)
[03:44:43]SAY: Jonas Gibson/Rustalot : cant you find normal ones? (194,130,2)
[03:44:43]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : visor off, lad (176,85,2)
[03:44:44]SAY: Plutonium CCXXXIX/Ghodere : We can work out a deal (175,86,2)
[03:44:45]SAY: Lukas Moon/JusticeGoat : ow (137,127,2)
[03:44:45]EMOTE: Syruse Eln/(Bob Oakland) : <b>Bob Oakland</b> spins around dizzily! (175,85,2)
-3 unrelated lines-
[03:44:47]GAME: Ghodere/(Plutonium CCXXXIX) added an the beaker to cyro containing | Cryoxadone, 20 | Iron, 10 | Mannitol, 10 | Clonexadone, 10 |
-4 unrelated lines-
[03:44:50]SAY: Plutonium CCXXXIX/Ghodere : Showers (175,86,2)
[03:44:51]SAY: Edward Sloan/BeeSting12 : take off the helmet (176,86,2)
-7 unrelated lines-
[03:45:00]SAY: Bob Oakland/Syruse Eln : here (169,92,2)
[03:45:02]ACCESS: Mob Login: Hathkar/(Launch Kusami) was assigned to a /mob/living/carbon/human
[03:45:02]SAY: Bob Oakland/Syruse Eln : here (169,91,2)
At this point, we walk to the genetics shower, and I take off my helmet and get converted.

Why you think you should be unbanned: The reason I feel that this was unjust was that my primary and overwhelming motivation was to not die, and cooperation was really the only course of action I saw that would not result in imminent death. Any concern to do with helping the station or the revs or being converted or anything else was a very, very distant second. It being roundstart, I was a plasmaman without ephedrine, atropine, styptic, or any particularly effective weapon. I was significantly slower than each of the three of them and, if I screamed for sec and was critted in the time before they arrived, being immune to cryo I wouldn't bet on my chances of not bleeding out in front of them.

The crux of the matter, for me, is that I was acting in response to an immediate and deadly threat and used my best judgment to respond reasonably to it while keeping myself alive, and I stand by the call I made. I wasn't sure whether I should make an appeal for something so minor, but I slept on it and decided that I still thought it egregious, so here it is.

Here's the link to the logs https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/bas ... und-73433/
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Re: [darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

Post by Armhulen » #318591

to be fair revs usually just kill plasmamen without a thought on conversion.
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Re: [darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

Post by danno » #318596

It might behoove us to alter policy to accommodate things like this for plasmamen, seeing as they're a bit of a special case during revs.
Although one might argue that if you pick plasmaman, you've made your bed.

Regardless, I think it's probably a bit heavy to drop bans on plasmafolks that are just trying not to die.
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Re: [darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

Post by Darkgenerallord » #318787

I'll remove the note, I guess. I suppose I just view conversion as worse than death.
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Re: [darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

Post by PKPenguin321 » #318924

Darkgenerallord wrote:I'll remove the note, I guess. I suppose I just view conversion as worse than death.
Resolved, then?
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Re: [darkgenerallord] Ghodere - Note Appeal

Post by Darkgenerallord » #318925

Yeah, it's resolved.
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