/tg/Station 13

Dan The Necroman, Joye Mathews
Dorsidwarf
playing
Shooting people with ody as non antag then killing someone who destroyed my mech then saying I didnt know why they destroyed my mech
2018-01-29 16:33:43
Bagil
I was chilling in my new and improved ody and I got the munchies so I visited bar to get some food and scan the chems like a good oddy. Some guy starts punching me and blocking me from scanning the food for no reason. So I shoot him with some capsaicin oil to get him off of me. He gets out his spear and destroyes my mech then runs off. I find him later and exact retribution for my mech by killing and braining him.
I think I should be unbanned because he banned me because he thought I was going around shooting everyone up when I all I was doin is collecting chems and healing mimes. Before I was rudely accosted of course.

This stinks of banbaiting on the greytider who destroyed the mecha's half

Ban reason:

Went around shooting people as non-antag roboticist with syringes in a mech, then killed and hid the brain of the person who destroyed said mech after being shot. Claimed that they didn't know why that person destroyed their mech.

1-day ban.

It looks like these are the only syringegun attacks:

feem wrote:Ban reason:

Went around shooting people as non-antag roboticist with syringes in a mech, then killed and hid the brain of the person who destroyed said mech after being shot. Claimed that they didn't know why that person destroyed their mech.

1-day ban.

I was just listing the official reason I was banned. Because I can indeed confirm I didnt just go around station shooting people up. I mostly went around scanning chems and occasionally healing people I found around

feem wrote:It looks like these are the only syringegun attacks:

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[16:06:53]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Bilbo Buggins(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 98) (131,115,2)
[16:06:54]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Bilbo Buggins(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 96) (131,115,2)
[16:06:56]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Bilbo Buggins(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 94) (131,115,2)
[16:06:57]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Bilbo Buggins(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 92) (131,115,2)
[16:06:58]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Bilbo Buggins(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 90) (131,115,2)
[16:35:07]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Respii Varenos(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 98) (134,124,2)

Respii was the guy I shot capa oil at. Bilbo was a botanist I was having fun with, he wanted to be shot up with nutriment.

Relevant logs:
I'm not really able to find any attacks by the other player on the odysseus but it may be that they're not logged in the attack log?

Edit: I am able to find the dead player saying: "This guy just killed me after I took his mech out for capsacining me."

So the dead player does at least indicate that they wrecked his mech.

feem wrote:Relevant logs:

Spoiler:

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[16:35:07]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) shot Respii Varenos(x) with syringegun (NEWHP: 98) (134,124,2)
[16:36:37]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) disarmed Respii Varenos(x) with  (NEWHP: 98) (86,104,2)
[16:36:41]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) disarmed Respii Varenos(x) with  pushing them to the ground (NEWHP: 98) (85,103,2)
[16:36:42]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 86) (85,103,2)
[16:36:43]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) grabbed Respii Varenos(x) with passive grab (NEWHP: 86) (85,103,2)
[16:36:44]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 74) (85,103,2)
[16:36:45]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62) (85,103,2)
[16:36:46]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 50) (85,103,2)
[16:36:47]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 38) (85,103,2)
[16:36:48]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 26) (85,103,2)
[16:36:49]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 14) (85,103,2)
[16:36:50]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 2) (85,103,2)
[16:36:51]ATTACK: NON-EXISTENT USER resisted grab Respii Varenos(x) with  (NEWHP: 2) (85,103,2)
[16:36:51]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -10) (85,103,2)
[16:36:54]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -22) (84,102,2)
[16:36:55]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -34) (84,101,2)
[16:36:56]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -46) (84,101,2)
[16:36:57]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) grabbed Respii Varenos(x) with passive grab (NEWHP: -46) (84,101,2)
[16:37:06]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -60) (82,103,2)
[16:37:07]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -72) (82,103,2)
[16:37:08]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -84.6667) (82,103,2)
[16:37:09]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with mechanical toolbox(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -96.6667) (82,103,2)
[16:37:10]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) grabbed Respii Varenos(x) with passive grab (NEWHP: -97.3333) (82,103,2)
[16:37:32]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -115.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:33]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -130.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:34]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -145.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:35]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -160.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:36]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -175.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:37]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -190.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:38]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -205.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:42]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -220.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:43]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -235.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:44]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -250.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:45]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -265.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:46]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -280.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:47]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -295.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:48]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -310.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:49]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -325.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:50]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -340.667) (111,81,2)
[16:37:51]ATTACK: Joye Mathews(danthenecroman) attacked Respii Varenos(x) with circular saw(INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -345.667) (111,81,2)

I'm not really able to find any attacks by the other player on the odysseus but it may be that they're not logged in the attack log?

Edit: I am able to find the dead player saying: "This guy just killed me after I took his mech out for capsacining me."

So the dead player does at least indicate that they wrecked his mech.

They were hitting me with their fists which may not show up because it doesn't do any damage. But after I hit em with the syringe they got out their spear and started stabbing me.

I think this was a ban because you hid his brain which I would say is rule 1 of not being a dick as you can fix a mech but taking someone out of the round completely isn't nice

billyjeans wrote:I think this was a ban because you hid his brain which I would say is rule 1 of not being a dick as you can fix a mech but taking someone out of the round completely isn't nice

I didnt hide the brain. I took it into my pocket and intended to put them inside of a mech. I died to a dual e-sword traitor before I could.

By the by the other guy's name was respii

Yeah respii isn't the nicest person but I agree this feels like he was banbaiting you especially that you didn't shoot him with any lethal chems

So how likely is it that im going to be unbanned.

in about 1 day it's 100% likely

appealing 1 day bans is usually an exercise in pointlessness because admins don't respond that fast.

oranges wrote:in about 1 day it's 100% likely

appealing 1 day bans is usually an exercise in pointlessness because admins don't respond that fast.

Neato burrito my faheeto.

oranges wrote:in about 1 day it's 100% likely

appealing 1 day bans is usually an exercise in pointlessness because admins don't respond that fast.

most of the time its for the note

Just a random question real quick.

Does capaiscian oil deal any damage at all?

Dan The Necroman wrote:Just a random question real quick.

Does capaiscian oil deal any damage at all?

I'm pretty sure it can at higher concentrations, but that's in the 40 - 50 range. 15 units isn't going to do much except I believe minor heating/blurry vision.

feem wrote:

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/datum/reagent/consumable/capsaicin/on_mob_life(mob/living/M)
	switch(current_cycle)
		if(1 to 15)
			M.bodytemperature += 5 * TEMPERATURE_DAMAGE_COEFFICIENT
			if(holder.has_reagent("cryostylane"))
				holder.remove_reagent("cryostylane", 5)
			if(isslime(M))
				M.bodytemperature += rand(5,20)
		if(15 to 25)
			M.bodytemperature += 10 * TEMPERATURE_DAMAGE_COEFFICIENT
			if(isslime(M))
				M.bodytemperature += rand(10,20)
		if(25 to 35)
			M.bodytemperature += 15 * TEMPERATURE_DAMAGE_COEFFICIENT
			if(isslime(M))
				M.bodytemperature += rand(15,20)
		if(35 to INFINITY)
			M.bodytemperature += 20 * TEMPERATURE_DAMAGE_COEFFICIENT
			if(isslime(M))
				M.bodytemperature += rand(20,25)
	..()

I do not understand what this means.

It means no, to start with you just get hot, but as it builds and your temperature goes up, you start taking damage. Like frost oil. I'd have to run some testing but I'm pretty sure 15 units will at least cause them to take some damage. I'm not sure if that's worth destroying a mech over, and I didn't see any logs of the interactions prior to that (other than some disarms).

oranges wrote:in about 1 day it's 100% likely

appealing 1 day bans is usually an exercise in pointlessness because admins don't respond that fast.

Lets us ding the greytider for banbaiting though

contesting a short ban is far more for the principle of whether the ban should be valid, rather than the duration, although ofcourse that doesn't apply if admins are speedy and we're not /that/ slow.

no, it's a pointless waste of time

Words hurt too Orange.

Words hurt too.

Respii here, I didn't think this warranted a ban tbh, but he did attempt to shoot me multiple times with Capsacin after I was lightly punching his mech (I usually disarm people and table them on the daily if that gives context to my shenanigans.) When I did get hit by one of the syringes (finally) and my vision became blurry, I attacked his mech until it was destroyed, and left him alone. He then sought me out and killed me some time later, took my brain out of my body, put it in an mmi, I ratted him out and he took the brain out of the MMI for about 15 minutes and got killed shortly after. I ahelped around this point.

Context is key.

TheMythicGhost wrote:(I usually disarm people and table them on the daily if that gives context to my shenanigans.)

The most clever and original prank ever.

oranges wrote:no, it's a pointless waste of time

Its unfair to tell someone that debating a dayban which can have consequences later on is a waste of time.

TheMythicGhost wrote:Respii here, I didn't think this warranted a ban tbh, but he did attempt to shoot me multiple times with Capsacin after I was lightly punching his mech (I usually disarm people and table them on the daily if that gives context to my shenanigans.) When I did get hit by one of the syringes (finally) and my vision became blurry, I attacked his mech until it was destroyed, and left him alone. He then sought me out and killed me some time later, took my brain out of my body, put it in an mmi, I ratted him out and he took the brain out of the MMI for about 15 minutes and got killed shortly after. I ahelped around this point.

Context is key.

Great I now have context. You act like a shitter and punch him in the mech, and he claims you were getting in his way. You get shot up with capaiscin so you spear his mech to death, and then he stabs you to death for killing his mech which sounds fair to me.

It's all good escalation IMO. He takes out your brain, which is also fine by me- You deserved to die and I don't think it's relevant whether you get cloned or not here. He said in the appeal that he planned on putting you in a mech which is a hell of a lot nicer than I would do. Unfortunately he got killed before he could which is out of his control.

You started it and continuously escalated the situation up until your death, and then ahelped when things didn't go your way. Not sure what you expected here.

I don't exactly expect you to look at the situation in any light except negative, Beesting. You've always put me on your shitlist no matter what I've done, so I'll just disregard your criticisms as I know what they are usually. A punch does no damage to a mech, it does literally a tap sound and says it reflects. Getting in his way would imply I had blocked literally every attempt for him to move, but no, I was punching his mech from the left side while he was scanning food for reagents, whereupon he shot me with the syringe as I mentioned.

I've had past interactions with you?

I have no idea who you are and I think this was perfectly valid escalation. You wrecked a guy's mech because he fairly gently deterred you from being a shithead to him.

You got what you asked for. I think OP is probably fine.

TheMythicGhost wrote:A punch does no damage to a mech, it does literally a tap sound and says it reflects. Getting in his way would imply I had blocked literally every attempt for him to move, but no, I was punching his mech from the left side while he was scanning food for reagents, whereupon he shot me with the syringe as I mentioned.

There was nothing wrong happening during any part of these interactions, he non-lethally peppered you for bothering him. However when you decided to destroy his mech you made yourself 100% valid, many other players wouldn't even have MMI'd you after that and just let you be out of the round completely by incinerating or spacing you.
Why did you even send for an adminhelp when you yourself were the primary antagonist in this situation?

This was resolved iirc and if it wasn't just pm me instead of make another thread.