Banning admin: exalted12
Ban reason and length:Take some time away from the game, your behavior is unacceptable. Do not attack security and greytide because you were inconvenienced at some point. 1440 minute length
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2014-10-05 00:48:14
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So I was QM, and I along with my fellow cargo techs set out to fortify the cargo bay and improve its overall efficiency by building some renovations and collecting some useful items which could be passed out to those who needed them. I went and collected some tools from the public tool storage area along with other materials and brought them over in a locker. The HoP caught wind of us collecting these items and came to talk to me, I explained we were just trying to make cargo more useful by having more items on hand as well as the fact we needed the tools to renovate. He said ok and good luck, and that was that. A sec officer named Cara O'connor came in and began interrogating us, asking why we had all this stuff and so on. I do not have logs so I can't post the exact conversations but it was civil although she was very suspicious. So then there is word of a cult and we decide, since all of the cargo techs seem clean, that we should begin fortifying cargo and building extra airlocks etc. This way we can let in people who ask to come in and need tools, but the cultists can not bumrush us. Cargo was strong.
At this point we needed a fire axe, so I went down to engineering and saw no one. I called on radio and no one came, CE was braindead in his office and there seemed to be no engineers. So (and I know this is not the best thing to do but it is NOT a bannable offense as I see people do this every single round) I broke the window to enter the engineering lobby. I walk in and an engineer comes out of the singularity area and asks what Im doing. I say "hi, I need the fire axe to renovate cargo. Ill give it back" he proceeds to pull out a lit welding tool and beat me over the head with it. I had a pickaxe on me so I pulled it out and hit him back, he got knocked out and I called for security and a doctor come down. (if I had just ran from him he couldve caught me, killed me, and then no one would know what happened and he'd get away with murder. I decided it was a safer bet to incapacitate him and let security handle the situation, which is exaclty what I did). So sec comes with a doctor, cuff him up and heal him, and I explain myself. They were very suspicious of me once again but I consented to a search and I had the burn marks to prove I didn't attack him unprovoked. They let me leave and that's that. An admin PM'd me about this, I explained myself, and he said the engineer was justified in attacking me with a lethal weapon and that I should not have retaliated. Fair enough.
Later on we have built two sets of airlocks to enter the cargo lobby. There is a mass of random people hanging around outside, nothing crazy. Then I step outside at one point. as you know cargo is right next to HOP line so there are a bunch of people hanging around including the HOS. as I walk out, the engineer who hit me with the welding tool was waiting outside (his name was Boris Yeltsen haha) and he proceeds to push me down and try to wirecuff me. I ran away just in time, but the HoS just stood there watching. The engineer ran off and HOS ignored me when I asked him to investigate, instead walking away wordlessly. I decide at this point that the engineer is clearly showing some cultish behavior, and go to investigate engineering. Once again, (and I know this is not the greatest thing to do but considering the cult circumstances and security's continual ignoring of crimes going on right in front of their face, I decide to handle it on my own) I go to engineering and this time I break through into the CE's office, who is still sitting braindead. I search his backpack and find a cult tome and paper. I call for sec to come. HoP, Hos, and a few officers come. they search the bag, see the items, and I tell them to check the fingerprints so they can see that only the CE has handled the items. HoP thanks me for my service, the officers don't care, and the HoS decides that I planted the items and arrests and searches me. He found no suspicious items, and declares that I'm a cultist anyways. In my mind the only reason a sec officer who is loyalty implanted and sworn to uphold the security of the station would ignore the clear presence of a cultist is that he is infact a cultist too. Why else would he defend CE when all evidence pointed to the CE being cult? He refused to even take the CE in to be fed holy water. So at this point I ask the HOP if cargo can commandeer the engineering department since no one is running it, he says ok and we begin taking engineering supplies to cargo to use them and hand them out to those in need. At this point sec barges in, raiding our office, wordlessly opening fire on all of me and my men, and declaring us cult. We all get searched and stripped, they find nothing and leave. about 3 minutes later the sec officer Cara O'connor barges in again, shoots down one of my coworkers wordlessly, cuffs and drags them off. I asked over radio why my cargo tech got arrested and the warden tells me to stop asking questions or he would beat me with his baton. I go to the brig to look at what's going on and they have my tech strapped down and are letting the chaplain beat him with his book and stuff, chaplain keeps saying over radio "im on a date with your cargo tech". I understand the chaplain can de-cult someone, but that's all he had to do. Feed him holy water and then let him go, not strap him down for 10 minutes and beat him with random items while refusing to give an answer and threatening violence to anyone who asks what's going on.
I go back to the cargo lobby, and outside are the HoS, a mime with telekinesis, and a few others. The mime is hacking into our doors as the HoS watched, I ask him to stop and he grabs me and starts choking me out. I call for help and the HoS just stands there for about 30 seconds then casually walks away without a word. I run back into cargo and slam the airlocks, hiding from the people who keep mobbing us outside. As I step out next, HoS is outside and tasers me. He accuses me of being cult again and searches me. I say "why don't you just loyalty implant me? I'm not cult and I'm sick of this treatment" he says that I'm clean and walks away , refusing to implant me.
A bit of time passes, there was more that happened in between this but my post is getting long and I don't want to make it too long to read. Basically just imagine a ton of random arrests and sec breaking into cargo every 5 minutes to strip and interrogate us without saying why. Why they took all this time to harass 3 cargo techs for building a door when there was clearly a cult trashing the station is beyond me. The only explanation I can think of is that they didn't want to find the cult, or that they were cult. So at one point wormholes start appearing throughout the station, and I believe there was an airborne mutation virus as well. I walk through a wormhole and appear in the bridge. The captain's computer is open and I make an announcement condemning security for their harassment of not only cargo but the majority of departments (everyone complained about how shitty sec was this round, even the banning admin said that sec was totally out of line). When I make the announcement, not two seconds later Cara O'Connor ( a regular sec officer) runs into the bridge, somehow having bridge access now. She asks why i have access and I explain a wormhole took me in, so she stuns me and takes me into the captain's office. She then strips me there and beats me with the baton a few times. I am screaming for help, and the HoP walks into the bridge. I ask the HoP why im being arrested again and he says he doesn't know, and asks Cara why I'm being arrested. Cara proceeds to bolt out of the bridge and run into a random maintenance vent. as she was pulling me into the vent, a doctor saw me being dragged screaming for help and pulled me away from Cara. Cara just ran off instead of chasing me. the doctor takes me to the brig lobby and asks why I was arrested. The Officer manning the door says he doesnt know, and then right then I suddenly mutate and receive hulk. I decided to break the handcuffs because this was about the 10th time I'd been arrested without a reason and I didn't want to spend 10 minutes in the brig for making a harmless announcement on a comms console. I broke free and ran, and as I was running Cara ran into me coming from the opposite end of the hallway. At this point I was 99% sure Cara had been culted, all round she had been harassing beating and stripping innocent people and not only not investigating the cult but actually getting in the way of people who were, forcing investigations like the cultist CE to be stopped in their tracks. I make a split second decision, deciding that if I knock Cara out and cuff her, I can get security to feed her holy water and we can see if she's cult or not. I throw some punches at her and she gets knocked down, but there was an airborne regen virus in their air so she gets up with full health literally 5 seconds after I get her down. the hos walks by and sees what's going on and whips out his laser, I run and they all chase me. I am being shot by lasers and running for my life, I make a circle around the brig and run into Cara again. she opens fire and I punch her and run again, they catch me outside the bridge where about 10 people start mobbing around me kicking the shit out of me and lasering me without asking what happened. I die.
Right after that, exalted12 PMs me and asks me why I hit Cara. I explain that she has been carrying out a slowly mounting series of harassment to not only me but many other crew members for the whole round, along with the HoS who has been not only standing by while people harm me but encouraging them to break into cargo and cause havoc. The round had been over an hour long and never once did I lay a hand on security until the very final time where a sec officer directly disobeyed the orders of a head and cuffed me, not taking me to brig but deep into a random maint tunnel after beating me with a baton. After all this time, and after receiving a hulk mutation (which causes people to become angry, raging and destructive beasts) I finally responded by punching Cara so that we could see if she was cultist or not. If she was cult and no one did anything, she would continue kidnapping people and most likely create many more cultists by dragging them into deep maint and converting. Based on the circumstances, from an IC perspective it was an action that would benefit the crew by testing Cara.
At this point we needed a fire axe, so I went down to engineering and saw no one. I called on radio and no one came, CE was braindead in his office and there seemed to be no engineers. So (and I know this is not the best thing to do but it is NOT a bannable offense as I see people do this every single round) I broke the window to enter the engineering lobby. I walk in and an engineer comes out of the singularity area and asks what Im doing. I say "hi, I need the fire axe to renovate cargo. Ill give it back" he proceeds to pull out a lit welding tool and beat me over the head with it. I had a pickaxe on me so I pulled it out and hit him back, he got knocked out and I called for security and a doctor come down. (if I had just ran from him he couldve caught me, killed me, and then no one would know what happened and he'd get away with murder. I decided it was a safer bet to incapacitate him and let security handle the situation, which is exaclty what I did). So sec comes with a doctor, cuff him up and heal him, and I explain myself. They were very suspicious of me once again but I consented to a search and I had the burn marks to prove I didn't attack him unprovoked. They let me leave and that's that. An admin PM'd me about this, I explained myself, and he said the engineer was justified in attacking me with a lethal weapon and that I should not have retaliated. Fair enough.
Later on we have built two sets of airlocks to enter the cargo lobby. There is a mass of random people hanging around outside, nothing crazy. Then I step outside at one point. as you know cargo is right next to HOP line so there are a bunch of people hanging around including the HOS. as I walk out, the engineer who hit me with the welding tool was waiting outside (his name was Boris Yeltsen haha) and he proceeds to push me down and try to wirecuff me. I ran away just in time, but the HoS just stood there watching. The engineer ran off and HOS ignored me when I asked him to investigate, instead walking away wordlessly. I decide at this point that the engineer is clearly showing some cultish behavior, and go to investigate engineering. Once again, (and I know this is not the greatest thing to do but considering the cult circumstances and security's continual ignoring of crimes going on right in front of their face, I decide to handle it on my own) I go to engineering and this time I break through into the CE's office, who is still sitting braindead. I search his backpack and find a cult tome and paper. I call for sec to come. HoP, Hos, and a few officers come. they search the bag, see the items, and I tell them to check the fingerprints so they can see that only the CE has handled the items. HoP thanks me for my service, the officers don't care, and the HoS decides that I planted the items and arrests and searches me. He found no suspicious items, and declares that I'm a cultist anyways. In my mind the only reason a sec officer who is loyalty implanted and sworn to uphold the security of the station would ignore the clear presence of a cultist is that he is infact a cultist too. Why else would he defend CE when all evidence pointed to the CE being cult? He refused to even take the CE in to be fed holy water. So at this point I ask the HOP if cargo can commandeer the engineering department since no one is running it, he says ok and we begin taking engineering supplies to cargo to use them and hand them out to those in need. At this point sec barges in, raiding our office, wordlessly opening fire on all of me and my men, and declaring us cult. We all get searched and stripped, they find nothing and leave. about 3 minutes later the sec officer Cara O'connor barges in again, shoots down one of my coworkers wordlessly, cuffs and drags them off. I asked over radio why my cargo tech got arrested and the warden tells me to stop asking questions or he would beat me with his baton. I go to the brig to look at what's going on and they have my tech strapped down and are letting the chaplain beat him with his book and stuff, chaplain keeps saying over radio "im on a date with your cargo tech". I understand the chaplain can de-cult someone, but that's all he had to do. Feed him holy water and then let him go, not strap him down for 10 minutes and beat him with random items while refusing to give an answer and threatening violence to anyone who asks what's going on.
I go back to the cargo lobby, and outside are the HoS, a mime with telekinesis, and a few others. The mime is hacking into our doors as the HoS watched, I ask him to stop and he grabs me and starts choking me out. I call for help and the HoS just stands there for about 30 seconds then casually walks away without a word. I run back into cargo and slam the airlocks, hiding from the people who keep mobbing us outside. As I step out next, HoS is outside and tasers me. He accuses me of being cult again and searches me. I say "why don't you just loyalty implant me? I'm not cult and I'm sick of this treatment" he says that I'm clean and walks away , refusing to implant me.
A bit of time passes, there was more that happened in between this but my post is getting long and I don't want to make it too long to read. Basically just imagine a ton of random arrests and sec breaking into cargo every 5 minutes to strip and interrogate us without saying why. Why they took all this time to harass 3 cargo techs for building a door when there was clearly a cult trashing the station is beyond me. The only explanation I can think of is that they didn't want to find the cult, or that they were cult. So at one point wormholes start appearing throughout the station, and I believe there was an airborne mutation virus as well. I walk through a wormhole and appear in the bridge. The captain's computer is open and I make an announcement condemning security for their harassment of not only cargo but the majority of departments (everyone complained about how shitty sec was this round, even the banning admin said that sec was totally out of line). When I make the announcement, not two seconds later Cara O'Connor ( a regular sec officer) runs into the bridge, somehow having bridge access now. She asks why i have access and I explain a wormhole took me in, so she stuns me and takes me into the captain's office. She then strips me there and beats me with the baton a few times. I am screaming for help, and the HoP walks into the bridge. I ask the HoP why im being arrested again and he says he doesn't know, and asks Cara why I'm being arrested. Cara proceeds to bolt out of the bridge and run into a random maintenance vent. as she was pulling me into the vent, a doctor saw me being dragged screaming for help and pulled me away from Cara. Cara just ran off instead of chasing me. the doctor takes me to the brig lobby and asks why I was arrested. The Officer manning the door says he doesnt know, and then right then I suddenly mutate and receive hulk. I decided to break the handcuffs because this was about the 10th time I'd been arrested without a reason and I didn't want to spend 10 minutes in the brig for making a harmless announcement on a comms console. I broke free and ran, and as I was running Cara ran into me coming from the opposite end of the hallway. At this point I was 99% sure Cara had been culted, all round she had been harassing beating and stripping innocent people and not only not investigating the cult but actually getting in the way of people who were, forcing investigations like the cultist CE to be stopped in their tracks. I make a split second decision, deciding that if I knock Cara out and cuff her, I can get security to feed her holy water and we can see if she's cult or not. I throw some punches at her and she gets knocked down, but there was an airborne regen virus in their air so she gets up with full health literally 5 seconds after I get her down. the hos walks by and sees what's going on and whips out his laser, I run and they all chase me. I am being shot by lasers and running for my life, I make a circle around the brig and run into Cara again. she opens fire and I punch her and run again, they catch me outside the bridge where about 10 people start mobbing around me kicking the shit out of me and lasering me without asking what happened. I die.
Right after that, exalted12 PMs me and asks me why I hit Cara. I explain that she has been carrying out a slowly mounting series of harassment to not only me but many other crew members for the whole round, along with the HoS who has been not only standing by while people harm me but encouraging them to break into cargo and cause havoc. The round had been over an hour long and never once did I lay a hand on security until the very final time where a sec officer directly disobeyed the orders of a head and cuffed me, not taking me to brig but deep into a random maint tunnel after beating me with a baton. After all this time, and after receiving a hulk mutation (which causes people to become angry, raging and destructive beasts) I finally responded by punching Cara so that we could see if she was cultist or not. If she was cult and no one did anything, she would continue kidnapping people and most likely create many more cultists by dragging them into deep maint and converting. Based on the circumstances, from an IC perspective it was an action that would benefit the crew by testing Cara.
Spoiler:
Exalted12 said I was out of line because I punched Cara. I forget his exact reasoning but the basic premise was that although Cara and the other sec had been acting very antagonistically, hindering people from working, halting investigations into cult and not reducing crime but actually encouraging it (hacking mime, Boris trying to wirecuff me after stunning me, the mime choking me out right in front of HoS), although they had carried out all these negative behaviors, throwing punches was too steep of a response. I was not justified in punching Cara. I think that my reason for punching her was solid. I did not kill her, I did not intend to kill her. I was going to cuff her, she would regen as she had the healing virus, we'd feed her holy water, and if she was clear then that's that, and hopefully we could make peace after figuring out we were both clean (assuming she was not cult). Instead I got beaten to death by a mob of people many of whom I'd never even interacted with.
I would like to get an exact ruling on why, for instance, was engineer Boris Yeltsen clear to attack me with a lethal weapon because I broke a window. When he told me to stop, I did, and politely asked him to borrow a fire axe. He proceeded to try and kill me. That is apparently 100% clear according to the rules.
But if a sec officer carries out over an hours worth of harassment, even going so far as to allow and encourage you and others to fall into harms way and threatening to beat you with a baton if you questioned their method, why are you not allowed a small retaliation? What Cara did was 10x more harmful than breaking a window, what made what Boris did ok but my response not. If even the banning admin admits that sec was doing a terrible, downright damaging job, why do they get away with it scotfree? From an IC perspective, who wouldn't have finally stood up for themselves after spending the entire round being beaten, choked, stripped, arrested without reason and generally harassed? I may be wrong here, but from what I can tell there were two analogous situations in this round, the engineer with the welder and me punching Cara, but for some reason punching someone who is giving off a ton of clues that they are a cultist is much worse than beating someones face in with a blowtorch because they smashed a window? I welcome any explanation. Thanks for reading.
I would like to get an exact ruling on why, for instance, was engineer Boris Yeltsen clear to attack me with a lethal weapon because I broke a window. When he told me to stop, I did, and politely asked him to borrow a fire axe. He proceeded to try and kill me. That is apparently 100% clear according to the rules.
But if a sec officer carries out over an hours worth of harassment, even going so far as to allow and encourage you and others to fall into harms way and threatening to beat you with a baton if you questioned their method, why are you not allowed a small retaliation? What Cara did was 10x more harmful than breaking a window, what made what Boris did ok but my response not. If even the banning admin admits that sec was doing a terrible, downright damaging job, why do they get away with it scotfree? From an IC perspective, who wouldn't have finally stood up for themselves after spending the entire round being beaten, choked, stripped, arrested without reason and generally harassed? I may be wrong here, but from what I can tell there were two analogous situations in this round, the engineer with the welder and me punching Cara, but for some reason punching someone who is giving off a ton of clues that they are a cultist is much worse than beating someones face in with a blowtorch because they smashed a window? I welcome any explanation. Thanks for reading.
