[Kangtut] The dumbest permaban I think anyone has ever applied.
Posted: Wed Sep 12, 2018 4:37 am
Post Content: Lord please give me the strength.
Byond account and character name: Shark-sie and Cain Barrows
Banning admin: Kingtut
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: Permaban
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2018-09-12 04:02:19 server time
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story:
I light crit a scientist for not researching mining, or telling me he was researching mining.
I got back stationside, said ORM is not upgraded. checked my lathe for any mining tools and bluespace, and none were there.
I gave him ample warning before leaving cargo that I was coming to beat his face in.
I beat his face in, EXACTLY into crit. Last hit sent him over the edge. Stopped there.
Ordered a borg to heal him, which the borg did right away. Blood was not lost, he did not die, he did not nearly die. He was healed to full and came right back to RND.
Kingtut decided this was not okay, I told him in ticket that we literally have a policy in place to allow this type of conflict.
He said I was using it as an excuse. I feel that he does not like escalation policy and instead would rather enforce his own ideals that are not covered by the rules.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
I mean really? catgirls and lizards get crit and killed every other day for existing. I had a legitimate reason, and have done this many times before, to break in and beat a scientist over the head. He needed to learn his lesson about using the points for important shit, or communicating that he intended to. I told him that over comms, let it be a lesson.
If you ignore security asking you to come with them, theyre going to arrest you.
if you ignore the captain asking for the disk, hes going to execute you.
If you ignore the miner asking for research, hes going to crit you.
That is TG. I even ordered a capable borg to heal him and he went and did it instantly. I dont see how this situation is even remotely a problem.
To be more clear and professional about it, I was operating under the assumption that escalation policy existed to allow situations like this to exist without removing players from the round, and as long as neither party is permanently removed as a nonantagonist, all is well.
Rereading the policy, is say you are allowed to use violence, you are allowed to instigate conflict to a reasonable degree, as long as they are not removed from the round.
From what I understand, and think is a correct understanding, if I do not receive mining tech in a reasonable time, I can break down the windoor and show the scientist that miners are not entertained by wasting RND points on silly shit.
He claims he was working on mining tech, but I researched the entire mining tech and engineering trees myself. He made no attempt to say wait im researching this give me a moment. He said theres no silver in the ORM and then I smashed his face. When he dropped, I did not attack him a single time more, I let him be healed by the borg because the borg intervened and flashed me. I made it a point to order the borg so it wouldnt just fuck off.
With his lack of communication, and my lack of mining tech, I feel this is exactly the type of situation that escalation policy exists to cover, and cannot see a reason why this should net a ban. Or even a note. Let alone a permanent ban
Byond account and character name: Shark-sie and Cain Barrows
Banning admin: Kingtut
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: Permaban
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2018-09-12 04:02:19 server time
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story:
I light crit a scientist for not researching mining, or telling me he was researching mining.
I got back stationside, said ORM is not upgraded. checked my lathe for any mining tools and bluespace, and none were there.
I gave him ample warning before leaving cargo that I was coming to beat his face in.
I beat his face in, EXACTLY into crit. Last hit sent him over the edge. Stopped there.
Ordered a borg to heal him, which the borg did right away. Blood was not lost, he did not die, he did not nearly die. He was healed to full and came right back to RND.
Kingtut decided this was not okay, I told him in ticket that we literally have a policy in place to allow this type of conflict.
He said I was using it as an excuse. I feel that he does not like escalation policy and instead would rather enforce his own ideals that are not covered by the rules.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
I mean really? catgirls and lizards get crit and killed every other day for existing. I had a legitimate reason, and have done this many times before, to break in and beat a scientist over the head. He needed to learn his lesson about using the points for important shit, or communicating that he intended to. I told him that over comms, let it be a lesson.
If you ignore security asking you to come with them, theyre going to arrest you.
if you ignore the captain asking for the disk, hes going to execute you.
If you ignore the miner asking for research, hes going to crit you.
That is TG. I even ordered a capable borg to heal him and he went and did it instantly. I dont see how this situation is even remotely a problem.
To be more clear and professional about it, I was operating under the assumption that escalation policy existed to allow situations like this to exist without removing players from the round, and as long as neither party is permanently removed as a nonantagonist, all is well.
Rereading the policy, is say you are allowed to use violence, you are allowed to instigate conflict to a reasonable degree, as long as they are not removed from the round.
From what I understand, and think is a correct understanding, if I do not receive mining tech in a reasonable time, I can break down the windoor and show the scientist that miners are not entertained by wasting RND points on silly shit.
He claims he was working on mining tech, but I researched the entire mining tech and engineering trees myself. He made no attempt to say wait im researching this give me a moment. He said theres no silver in the ORM and then I smashed his face. When he dropped, I did not attack him a single time more, I let him be healed by the borg because the borg intervened and flashed me. I made it a point to order the borg so it wouldnt just fuck off.
With his lack of communication, and my lack of mining tech, I feel this is exactly the type of situation that escalation policy exists to cover, and cannot see a reason why this should net a ban. Or even a note. Let alone a permanent ban