[KangTut] KillToSurvive - Note Appeal
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 6:18 am
Byond account and character name: KillToSurvive/Justin Time
Banning admin: KangTut
Ban type (What are you banned from?): It's a note
Ban reason and length: 2018-11-08 05:43:35 | Bagil | KangTut
Beat and perma'd an assistant who hit him by mistake. The assistant claims they were just trying to disarm him, but Kill assumed that because they attacked him once that he got to treat them like an antag. He locked the assistant in perma while he was still bleeding, and came back multiple times to taunt and attack the prisoner.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2018-11-08 05:43:35
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story: Wall of text below
Why you think you should be unbanned: Wall of text below
ROUND ID: 96763
This note seems very very unfair to me as I have a feeling KangTut did not take a look at the logs properly, first I will tell my side of the story, then the other players story that I heard from KangTut, because KangTut seems to be taking sides in who to believe.
My side of the story:
The assistant was chasing after me and managed to smash my head in with a toolbox once, I ran from him and he was still chasing me, now I'm not sure if walking/running positions are recorded in the logs, but when I pulled my taser out he immediately began running away from me. I disabled him with a taser and them took him to the brig to ask the warden for a sentence, I told the warden that it was assault and if It's ok if I perma him. The warden agreed, I took him to perma and abused him a little for a laugh since antag behavior makes you antag and antags can be abused.
Other players side of the story according to KangTut:
Apparently the assistant tried to disarm me instead of smashing my head in with a toolbox, the assistant also said that it was an "accident" to smash my head in with a toolbox, so was disarming me also going to be an accident? I don't see how in the world that's an accident, this totally validates him and makes him an antag because of this:
1) The toolbox has a chance to knock you out, which could have happened and then he'd likely have proceeded to beat me and steal my stuff.
2) He could have disarmed me and as I was on the floor he could have tablestunned me as I was near engineering and there was a table nearby, ultimately resulting in me getting fucked over.
General information:
Kangtut claims that this isn't antag behavior. I disagree, because of reason 1) and 2). The abusing/permaing part is self-explanatory, the assistant is qualifed for antag behavior and in so can be abused.
Either way, that assistant is a classic greytiding shitler. Attack officer > Get Perma'd > Cry to the admins. Why in the world do I need to get a note for this? If the assistant wants to start fights that are antag behavior, then it's valid for me to perma him or even space him if i'd like. There's literally no reason to hit a sec officer. He literally didn't even apologize to me ICly that it was an accident. Because it wasn't. When I was arresting him and he was in the brig, he said: Russel Krieger says, "I'm still gonna donk on you". And that was BEFORE I perma'd him, that was when I was asking the warden what sentence to give him, the screenshots I attached prove it. An accident after he said that right there?
I don't believe that this was an accident. "Accidentaly" hitting me with a toolbox can knock me out. "Accidentaly" disarming me is self-explanatory and has multiple ways to get me killed.
This is antag behavior, the abuse in perma is justified. Anyways I feel like I've been wronged by that assistant guy and KangTut seemed to have sided with the assistant because in his view an officer being assaulted somehow isn't antag behavior. Take my word, the assistant attacked me intentionally, then lied to KangTut saying it was an "accident". For this sole reason I will start recording my rounds with OBS from now on and I do hope to get this note appealed.
Proof it was no accident:
https://gyazo.com/22d9feaa9b4bb359e079fc3339b824aa check this one first
https://gyazo.com/c34cf126d356ae7da02d5f9401858ece check this one second
Not to mention the assistant had a FLASH on him. (I searched his bag). When I asked him to explain the reason he assaulted me he said he was "helping his cargo bro". This is no accident.
I argued quite a lot in the ahelps with KangTut, his opinion seems hellbent that it wasn't antag behavior. KangTut also dismissed the fact that the assistant lied to him as I've shown solid proof that it was indeed no accident, lying to admins is a no-no, yes? Opinions of other admins would be much appreciated on this situation. I don't want a note over a prick being a greyshit and then crying to the admin for help when they get what they deserve. Kangtut also did not take a look at the logs at all when I was ahelping with him.
This was said: Russel Krieger says, "I'm still gonna donk on you"
KangTut claimed that it was said after he got perma'd.
I scrolled up and took a screenshot where he said that before he was perma'd, he said it as i was asking the warden for the sentence, check time timestamps in the logs yourself for more proof, furthermore proving that KangTut took no effort in researching the situation before sticking the note to me.
Banning admin: KangTut
Ban type (What are you banned from?): It's a note
Ban reason and length: 2018-11-08 05:43:35 | Bagil | KangTut
Beat and perma'd an assistant who hit him by mistake. The assistant claims they were just trying to disarm him, but Kill assumed that because they attacked him once that he got to treat them like an antag. He locked the assistant in perma while he was still bleeding, and came back multiple times to taunt and attack the prisoner.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2018-11-08 05:43:35
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story: Wall of text below
Why you think you should be unbanned: Wall of text below
ROUND ID: 96763
This note seems very very unfair to me as I have a feeling KangTut did not take a look at the logs properly, first I will tell my side of the story, then the other players story that I heard from KangTut, because KangTut seems to be taking sides in who to believe.
My side of the story:
The assistant was chasing after me and managed to smash my head in with a toolbox once, I ran from him and he was still chasing me, now I'm not sure if walking/running positions are recorded in the logs, but when I pulled my taser out he immediately began running away from me. I disabled him with a taser and them took him to the brig to ask the warden for a sentence, I told the warden that it was assault and if It's ok if I perma him. The warden agreed, I took him to perma and abused him a little for a laugh since antag behavior makes you antag and antags can be abused.
Other players side of the story according to KangTut:
Apparently the assistant tried to disarm me instead of smashing my head in with a toolbox, the assistant also said that it was an "accident" to smash my head in with a toolbox, so was disarming me also going to be an accident? I don't see how in the world that's an accident, this totally validates him and makes him an antag because of this:
1) The toolbox has a chance to knock you out, which could have happened and then he'd likely have proceeded to beat me and steal my stuff.
2) He could have disarmed me and as I was on the floor he could have tablestunned me as I was near engineering and there was a table nearby, ultimately resulting in me getting fucked over.
General information:
Kangtut claims that this isn't antag behavior. I disagree, because of reason 1) and 2). The abusing/permaing part is self-explanatory, the assistant is qualifed for antag behavior and in so can be abused.
Either way, that assistant is a classic greytiding shitler. Attack officer > Get Perma'd > Cry to the admins. Why in the world do I need to get a note for this? If the assistant wants to start fights that are antag behavior, then it's valid for me to perma him or even space him if i'd like. There's literally no reason to hit a sec officer. He literally didn't even apologize to me ICly that it was an accident. Because it wasn't. When I was arresting him and he was in the brig, he said: Russel Krieger says, "I'm still gonna donk on you". And that was BEFORE I perma'd him, that was when I was asking the warden what sentence to give him, the screenshots I attached prove it. An accident after he said that right there?
I don't believe that this was an accident. "Accidentaly" hitting me with a toolbox can knock me out. "Accidentaly" disarming me is self-explanatory and has multiple ways to get me killed.
This is antag behavior, the abuse in perma is justified. Anyways I feel like I've been wronged by that assistant guy and KangTut seemed to have sided with the assistant because in his view an officer being assaulted somehow isn't antag behavior. Take my word, the assistant attacked me intentionally, then lied to KangTut saying it was an "accident". For this sole reason I will start recording my rounds with OBS from now on and I do hope to get this note appealed.
Proof it was no accident:
https://gyazo.com/22d9feaa9b4bb359e079fc3339b824aa check this one first
https://gyazo.com/c34cf126d356ae7da02d5f9401858ece check this one second
Not to mention the assistant had a FLASH on him. (I searched his bag). When I asked him to explain the reason he assaulted me he said he was "helping his cargo bro". This is no accident.
I argued quite a lot in the ahelps with KangTut, his opinion seems hellbent that it wasn't antag behavior. KangTut also dismissed the fact that the assistant lied to him as I've shown solid proof that it was indeed no accident, lying to admins is a no-no, yes? Opinions of other admins would be much appreciated on this situation. I don't want a note over a prick being a greyshit and then crying to the admin for help when they get what they deserve. Kangtut also did not take a look at the logs at all when I was ahelping with him.
This was said: Russel Krieger says, "I'm still gonna donk on you"
KangTut claimed that it was said after he got perma'd.
I scrolled up and took a screenshot where he said that before he was perma'd, he said it as i was asking the warden for the sentence, check time timestamps in the logs yourself for more proof, furthermore proving that KangTut took no effort in researching the situation before sticking the note to me.