Banning Admin ---- Elyina --- Lady Ari

[LadyAri]

Hi again! nice to see ya all, such beautiful familiar faces.


Byond account and character name: Belchinganna - Lady Ari
Banning admin: Elyina
Ban type (What are you banned from?): Server
Ban reason and length: 24 hours --- You have been banned by Elyina from the server.
Reason: Going HoP just to get around their appearance ban and name themself \"Lady Ari\". The amount of childish belligerence has now passed the acceptable level. You need to take a break.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 10:20PM Mountain
Your side of the story:

You guys banned me from playing a character that I've played with no issues for 6 years, I'm not gonna back down, especially when you all can't even give me a solid answer as to why its banned.

This what I've been told by your admins:

1.) "Lady is an honorific and its banned for that reason."

Not purely an honorific, and I'm not using it as one.

Proof:
https://www.babycenter.com/baby-names-lady-59275.htm

2.) "Ari isn't a real last name."

Yes it is, I've MET people with this as a last name.

Proof:

https://lastnames.myheritage.com/last-name/ari

Why you think you should be unbanned:

For one, I'd just round start go up to the HoP and ---->ROLEPLAY<--- explain that this isn't my real self, and I'd like my name to be changed, ya know, using that ability HoP's had? 100% of them did it.

I even prayed one round and an admin essentially laughed, and gave me back my sprite and name for that round. Kevinz000 was on during the time so maybe it was him?

I also used the ventriloquist dummy (a feature you all programmed in) to talk through the mic as the character I've been portraying for the last 6 years without issue.

Everything I did for fun to circumvent your incredibly lame initial ban was all explained with role play and no one had an issue once again. No one was offended by my name except for just another admin. Elyina.

Go ahead, take a poll every single shift asking everyone if this has been insane and i should get my name back, I don't know 90% of the people that have been responding but they've been in my favor. Why? Because this situation and decision is incredibly stupid and not thought out.

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So now I catch a 24 hour ban for essentially doing something my self that a god gifted me. I played the round like normal and did nothing else, but nope, my name becomes an issue once again.

https://imgur.com/a/DUZVSQg

So I can pray to a god, get the prayed allowed, and not be banned, but be my self again. The next day an admin sees me doing the same thing but of my own accord and BAM 24 hour ban and tells me I need to take a break? How about you all actually do what you've been voted in for and make decisions in favor of the communities spirit. Instead of removing a long time player for a reason that NONE of you can all agree on. That really is the best part, the original admin that gave the ban is too afraid to do his own work and post his or her opinion publicly, why? Because the communities been doing nothing but ragging on you guys for this decision.

Let Grandpa Riker have his fucking name back
Let Oldman Robustin have his fucking name back
Let everyone that had a non-meme name get their fucking name back. How lame are you all? seriously?

I'm going to continue to role play as -MY- character. I'm going to continue to do so using any various methods available in game. Such as praying, asking for an id change, ventriloquist dummy, using it as a name for the nuke ops family every round, naming my wizard it, naming my sentient disease it, naming my religion it (ok i dont play chaplain, and im not that dumb), using it as a mime, a clown, a felinid, a space pirate, spray can it infront of whatever office i have.

So to sum it up, you guys can't agree on anything, a lot of you are kind of lame, and the ones that have been awesome need to keep speaking up.

Give me back my name, quit being assholes, yeah its a fucking video game character i get it, but I'm stubborn as hell and I'm not going to let you all just change policy and fuck ME and others over when they're just having a good time not disrupting the game with any OOC content what so ever. You guys are punishing me for just being my character, do you honestly not realize how fucking lame you all are being? I'm not leaking plasma, making maxcaps, i R-A-R-E-L-Y murderbone or doing anything that fucking hurts anyone what so ever.

-- edit # 5000 --

Here's the screenshot of me being turned back via prayer. Not my characters normal hair or hair color. Why did I do with my evil new rage inducing bannable name? I sat in xeno talking with a friend breeding slimes.

https://imgur.com/a/C8ZLGYm

Here was after one of several HoP's changed my id to my characters name after I explained a back story and roleplayed it.

https://imgur.com/a/7dWDNNO

[obscolene]

You know.. I'm not sure if making a ban appeal post solely to say "Fuck off shitty admin, I'm going to continue doing what got me banned." is the correct way to go about the issue, but you do you, my friend.

[LadyAri]

You know.. I'm not sure if making a ban appeal post solely to say "Fuck off shitty admin, I'm going to continue doing what got me banned." is the correct way to go about the issue, but you do you, my friend.

My point is that why is one part of this ok but not any of the others? Obviously I wouldnt name every little shitty thing whatever i want, but the fact that its possible and perfectly allowed there, but not allowed under other lights, is beyond stupid.

What I, and many others are asking for, is consistency. They can't agree amongst themselves, and they couldn't even originally tell me what my first ban was for.

[Cobby]

Just FYI an admin got in trouble for explicitly giving you the name back.

IDK why it's such a big deal (your name that is) and why it requires such odd scrutiny.

That said, you aren't going to get consistency between 20+ different people with different backgrounds with purposefully vague rules. Sorry that you disagree with that notion, I recommend you running for headmin if you'd like that changed.

[LadyAri]

Just FYI an admin got in trouble for explicitly giving you the name back.

IDK why it's such a big deal (your name that is) and why it requires such odd scrutiny.

That said, you aren't going to get consistency between 20+ different people with different backgrounds with purposefully vague rules. Sorry that you disagree with that notion, I recommend you running for headmin if you'd like that changed.

Dude, i appreciate the sentiment but I would never, its just not my thing. I absolutely love the way they all run this game, thats a fact. I wouldn't play it and many other wouldn't if it werent for all the work and effort they all put it. It's literally just this I have an issue with. This is mine and many others favorite game for a reason, people do a great job.

I just wanna play on the same character ive always had, and some consistency.

[elyina]

I don't particularly care that much one way or the other regarding the validity of your name. That's not what the ban here is about. The ban is because you decided subjects ruling was free to be ignored because you personally disagreed with it. You've been having nothing short of a conniption in game, in dead chat and in OOC ever since you were appearance banned. Going HoP just so you can continue to work around the ruling is a flagrant disregard of rule 6 and is essentially ban evasion.
What you've been doing has a 0% chance of helping you. Abiding by an admins ruling is not optional. You are expected to follow it unless headmins decide to overturn it, which they are in the process of discussing. You're also free to participate in Policy Discussion if you feel this strongly on the issue. You have avenues for disputing an admin ruling. Staging some kind of in-game protest is just going to make you look immature.

[LadyAri]

I don't particularly care that much one way or the other regarding the validity of your name. That's not what the ban here is about. The ban is because you decided subjects ruling was free to be ignored because you personally disagreed with it. You've been having nothing short of a conniption in game, in dead chat and in OOC ever since you were appearance banned. Going HoP just so you can continue to work around the ruling is a flagrant disregard of rule 6 and is essentially ban evasion.
What you've been doing has a 0% chance of helping you. Abiding by an admins ruling is not optional. You are expected to follow it unless headmins decide to overturn it, which they are in the process of discussing. You're also free to participate in Policy Discussion if you feel this strongly on the issue. You have avenues for disputing an admin ruling. Staging some kind of in-game protest is just going to make you look immature.

lol bringing it up is nothing short of conniption? theres no rage here you're mistaken. If you think bringing up something stupid and calling people out for it ='s rage thats silly. I was having a blast giving people silly names as HoP, guess who else had fun? The players. I gave players plenty of silly names. Drew P. Weiner, Mike Hawk, Ben Dover, Lou Sasshol, etc. Guess what happened? People smiled. They're "policy breaking names" but its a feature in game to rename players, i asked them if they wanted a silly name, asked if the name was ok, and people laughed and had a good time

"Abiding by an admins ruling is not optional."

Cute, what exactly is the ruling though? See none of you have been able to tell me that. Isn't that kind of ridiculous? As I explained before, one admin says its for x, another says its for y, so which is it mr conniption? Is Lady Ari allowed as a Wizard? or a felinid? or a borg? Is it really banned for X or is it really banned for Y? Why do you feel its acceptable to not tell a player exactly what breaks the rules, and what doesn't?

Also, even just confirmed, I was changed back by a prayer. I wasn't told once that that was an issue. One of you could have actually informed me but instead nope, say im ragin and 24 hour ban. Still not getting anything actually solved, just added more nothingness to the circus.

"You have avenues for disputing an admin ruling. Staging some kind of in-game protest is just going to make you look immature."

I'm taking those avenues and hey I acknowledge that, but playing my own character is just something I'm gonna do. Whether I have to be a fly person or a felinid or whatever I'll keep my name and you guys can keep having trouble with something that the last set of admins had down perfectly fine, and the ones before them, and the ones before them.

Ban meme names (names that are obviously breaking immersion. i.e. Meme Lover, or DeyCallMeSanic or ABCDEFGHIJK), and let the other players just have their damn characters.

Oh and go ahead and call rule 6 all you want completely disregarding the fact that I RP'd it. The issue with my name wasn't that it was offensive or immersion breaking, it was either labeled incorrectly as an honorific, or incorrectly as ari not being a genuine last name. Therefor, I'll argue that I completely had the right to RP any character I wanted and the fact that it was Lady Ari is completely irrelevant. If the issue was that it was an honorific, a title, you're now making the claim here out in the open that no one can also give themselves honorifics (as thats what some of you are calling it) via any in game route. If the issue was that it was because it was a name that I was banned for, I was not specifically told WHY the name was banned, how do you not possibly see a fucking logical loop hole in this issue? What exactly is appropriate and not appropriate about my name? Please, do tell, because I've proven otherwise both possibilities already. But if you're up to explain any other reasons that I'm just not understanding that sure would be fucking helpful.

Jesus Christ you guys made a dude named grandpa riker change his name. Have you all ever read a book or seen a movie in your lives? That's a genuine fucking characters name. Do you all sit down and talk about the avengers using their actual names? "Well uh I think Spiderman, OH SORRY - PETER PARKER, is my favorite" Or maybe you all take it to another level and gotta use the actors names or you're outta the fuckin party.

Yall are genuinely weird

[Gigapuddi420]

I have to agree with obscolene on this one, the approach where you ignore the original ruling rarely works however bad the original ruling might be. I sympathize with the situation though. Naming policy has been inconsistent for some and recently it has turned into a crackdown to try and enforce it once and for all.
edited to remove reply to removed post.

[Qbmax32]

*gets banned*
>uses ingame mechanics to circumvent bam
>is surprised when dumpstered

?????

Like seriously I think naming policy is stupid and this recent “crackdown” on “bad names” is ill advised but what the hell do you expect to happen when you go out of your way to circumvent the ban THEN going out of your way to make an angry appeal about how you’re gonna keep doing it and that that admins can get fucked. What’s your end game?

[lmwevil]

the constant prayers and IC references to a 'scientist' obviously referring to subject with a micropenis are a golden touch to circumventing the ban, i've seen it almost every round from you

see i don't really give a shit about your name, but your conduct is very unbecoming and will only lead to less lenient admin views and opinions on you

[LadyAri]

*gets banned*
>uses ingame mechanics to circumvent bam
>is surprised when dumpstered

?????

Like seriously I think naming policy is stupid and this recent “crackdown” on “bad names” is ill advised but what the hell do you expect to happen when you go out of your way to circumvent the ban THEN going out of your way to make an angry appeal about how you’re gonna keep doing it and that that admins can get fucked. What’s your end game?

I can't get my byond account linked to my forum post. If you think this is seriously about the 24 hour ban and thats it it really goes to show how much you're all paying attention. 24 hours is whatever. I just don't have another way to post, and I'll continue to do so because this shits just silly.

I also don't need any of your advice, I'm not going to suck anyones dick for my name back, i'm just going to post and talk about the inconsistencies because jesus christ its embarrassing you all cant get it together and figure something so simple out.

The very fact you all keep ignoring my point about how I wasn't technically banned for anything specific is really telling, you all can't tell me either can you? Was it the Lady part, (thats what she said) or the Ari part? None of you can say because none of you have a fucking clue.

"Like seriously I think naming policy is stupid and this recent “crackdown” on “bad names” is ill advised but what the hell do you expect to happen when you go out of your way to circumvent the ban THEN going out of your way to make an angry appeal about how you’re gonna keep doing it and that that admins can get fucked. What’s your end game?"

Circumvent what ban? Please tell me what I circumvented because I still have no clue. I get that I circumvented "Lady Ari" but come on buddy what part was it?

My end game is to get peoples names back that aren't breaking IC, thought that was pretty clear from my statements. The amount of ways to circumvent something so stupid for something that wasn't even explained just goes to add another reason to the list of why this is all incredibly stupid.

" but your conduct is very unbecoming and will only lead to less lenient admin views and opinions on you"

Luckily I don't care at all except when it comes to just getting my character back. I don't break any rules, I just play. You all can think I'm literally fucking hitler for all I care, I just want to play the same shit I've been playing forever.

[somerandomguy]

If you want your name back, go to policy discussion and stop being hostile. Being hostile is a great way to not get what you want, no matter how right you are ( similar to how saying "I won't stop doing x no matter how much you tell me" is a great way to get perma'd)

"I don't care at all except when I care"
"I don't break rules but won't stop evading my name ban"

It doesn't matter what you want or say you want, hostility/evading will get you nowhere

[Qbmax32]

*gets banned*
>uses ingame mechanics to circumvent bam
>is surprised when dumpstered

?????

Like seriously I think naming policy is stupid and this recent “crackdown” on “bad names” is ill advised but what the hell do you expect to happen when you go out of your way to circumvent the ban THEN going out of your way to make an angry appeal about how you’re gonna keep doing it and that that admins can get fucked. What’s your end game?

Circumvent what ban? Please tell me what I circumvented because I still have no clue. I get that I circumvented "Lady Ari" but come on buddy what part was it?

You were appearance banned for refusing to change your name. Rolling HoP then using the console to change the random name you got back into the the name that you originally had is circumventing the ban.


I understand where you’re coming from, really I do. Naming policy is a complete mess and each admin handles it differently which is moronic. Players shouldn’t have to know which admin allows which name and the fact that everyone seem content to argue about what and what doesn’t constitute “a reasonable name” rather then actually make a coherent policy is frustrating. Lady Ari is a completely fine name and so are all the others you listed in your appeal, SS13 is a game clowns in space yet people are arguing about weather or not people should be allowed to have nicknames. I’m not the only admin who thinks this either, and Subject who you seem to love taking jabs at whenever you can only placed the ban because a headmin told him to, not of his own violation.

Regardless though, that doesn’t give you an excuse to essentially evade an appearance ban. Yes there are a shitload of ways to circumvent something like this as you’ve said but that doesn’t give you an excuse to do so.

[LadyAri]

*gets banned*
>uses ingame mechanics to circumvent bam
>is surprised when dumpstered

?????

Like seriously I think naming policy is stupid and this recent “crackdown” on “bad names” is ill advised but what the hell do you expect to happen when you go out of your way to circumvent the ban THEN going out of your way to make an angry appeal about how you’re gonna keep doing it and that that admins can get fucked. What’s your end game?

Circumvent what ban? Please tell me what I circumvented because I still have no clue. I get that I circumvented "Lady Ari" but come on buddy what part was it?

You were appearance banned for refusing to change your name. Rolling HoP then using the console to change the random name you got back into the the name that you originally had is circumventing the ban.


I understand where you’re coming from, really I do. Naming policy is a complete mess and each admin handles it differently which is moronic. Players shouldn’t have to know which admin allows which name and the fact that everyone seem content to argue about what and what doesn’t constitute “a reasonable name” rather then actually make a coherent policy is frustrating. Lady Ari is a completely fine name and so are all the others you listed in your appeal, SS13 is a game clowns in space yet people are arguing about weather or not people should be allowed to have nicknames. I’m not the only admin who thinks this either, and Subject who you seem to love taking jabs at whenever you can only placed the ban because a headmin told him to, not of his own violation.

Regardless though, that doesn’t give you an excuse to essentially evade an appearance ban. Yes there are a shitload of ways to circumvent something like this as you’ve said but that doesn’t give you an excuse to do so.

I don't have an issue with subject dude, and I haven't once taken a "jab" at him. My only issue is with this "policy" and the headmin that forced me to change.

"You were appearance banned for refusing to change your name. Rolling HoP then using the console to change the random name you got back into the the name that you originally had is circumventing the ban."

Is it? The name still, at this very moment, hasn't been explained to me as to why its banned. So If I go with all of your logic that the name isn't legitimate, yet apply it using IC methods, its still an illegitimate names based on................... what?

Still trying to figure that part out, but apparently you all are too.

So, appearance ban lifted, I go to whatever character name and I'm playing and then I ask the HoP to change my Id to Firstname "Lady Ari" Lastname like people are doing with nicknames, which is perfectly acceptable ya?

So see my name isn't offending anyone or breaking immersion or doing any of that shit, it can be applied in game, but out of no where, after more than half a decade, BOOM issue. Whats the issue? Oh no one knows! No one can say!

Thank you for being awesome though and explaining some of this, I'm getting PMs about support too from cool peeps and appreciate that too.

[LadyAri]

If you want your name back, go to policy discussion and stop being hostile. Being hostile is a great way to not get what you want, no matter how right you are ( similar to how saying "I won't stop doing x no matter how much you tell me" is a great way to get perma'd)

"I don't care at all except when I care"
"I don't break rules but won't stop evading my name ban"

It doesn't matter what you want or say you want, hostility/evading will get you nowhere

You're right, and I know that. I'm just bummed ya know? I was told it was specifically because the certain admin doesn't like me. It's just frustrating being targeted and the ban still not being explained nearly a week later by ANYONE you know?

Not a single person can agree upon why its banned. Logic is ignored and people care more about how I am approaching this(which I acknowledge is stupid, I just didnt really think itd be this big a deal), than the issue its self.

[somerandomguy]

If you want your name back, go to policy discussion and stop being hostile. Being hostile is a great way to not get what you want, no matter how right you are ( similar to how saying "I won't stop doing x no matter how much you tell me" is a great way to get perma'd)

"I don't care at all except when I care"
"I don't break rules but won't stop evading my name ban"

It doesn't matter what you want or say you want, hostility/evading will get you nowhere

You're right, and I know that. I'm just bummed ya know? I was told it was specifically because the certain admin doesn't like me. It's just frustrating being targeted and the ban still not being explained nearly a week later by ANYONE you know?

Not a single person can agree upon why its banned. Logic is ignored and people care more about how I am approaching this(which I acknowledge is stupid, I just didnt really think itd be this big a deal), than the issue its self.

Your name is banned because Lady is (usually) an honorific and we're apparently in the middle of a name purge
You were serverbanned because you evaded your IDban, other admins might not have thought of it that way themselves but they can understand why Elyina did (especially since there's a nearly identical policy for jobbans)
Also, everyone hates the "I don't agree wth you so I won't follow your rules," it paints you as a megashitter so people immediately dismiss you.
The thing about internet arguments is that once people get mad at you, they don't listen at all. It may seem stupid, but it's just how peoples' brains work.

[WarbossLincoln]

Why are a lot of admins saying they disagree with the crackdown, disagree with this application of the policy, but then go on to back up the minority of admins they just said they disagree with? Is it admin hivemind? Where it doesn't matter if you think they're wrong, you'll back them up no matter what?

Also, everyone hates the "I don't agree wth you so I won't follow your rules," it paints you as a megashitter so people immediately dismiss you.

Lady Ari is willing to die on this incredibly stupid hill and we should all be grateful. This sets a precedent that if 1 admin decides they don't like a name that fits the letter of the policy it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. The player will get told to get fucked, admins who try to help get shit on, and that's the end of it.

[Nabski]

Why are a lot of admins saying they disagree with the crackdown, disagree with this application of the policy, but then go on to back up the minority of admins they just said they disagree with? Is it admin hivemind? Where it doesn't matter if you think they're wrong, you'll back them up no matter what?

Also, everyone hates the "I don't agree wth you so I won't follow your rules," it paints you as a megashitter so people immediately dismiss you.

Lady Ari is willing to die on this incredibly stupid hill and we should all be grateful. This sets a precedent that if 1 admin decides they don't like a name that fits the letter of the policy it doesn't matter what anyone else thinks. The player will get told to get fucked, admins who try to help get shit on, and that's the end of it.

We're both going to get deleted for peanut posting BUT. There are plenty of things worth disagreeing over and enforcing differently. The easiest to bring up is naming policy and escalation. It is important that admins still at least TRY to enforce the same way and remain consistent so that players are treated equally.

[WarbossLincoln]

Fair enough. I've never admined so I can't claim I know exactly what's going on. But optics are important and it looks bad.

[Hathkar]

How on earth is changing the name on your ID card the same as evading an appearance ban? You still show up as your original name when speaking in person and on the radio.
This ban is bad and you should feel bad for defending it.

[Ayy Lemoh]

Why are a lot of admins saying they disagree with the crackdown, disagree with this application of the policy, but then go on to back up the minority of admins they just said they disagree with? Is it admin hivemind? Where it doesn't matter if you think they're wrong, you'll back them up no matter what?

Would you rather be able to still do events you/others find fun or be deadminned? There are some things where people may want to do something however the risk vs reward factor weighs in heavily. edit: they could also prefer doing it in a different manner than directly facing it.

Only altruistic and selfless people would be able to constantly risk their admin rank for injustices (edit: assuming they even think it is an injustice). As far as I know, no one here would fit the bill, admins and non-admins included.

edit: also, in event that all the admins are trying to really enforce naming policy (i'm sure it could happen however i doubt it would happen efficiently), then they should probably do a bunch of name bans all at once. It's like how it is better to do one big thing at once rather than doing small things multiple times.

[Nabski]

Why are a lot of admins saying they disagree with the crackdown, disagree with this application of the policy, but then go on to back up the minority of admins they just said they disagree with? Is it admin hivemind? Where it doesn't matter if you think they're wrong, you'll back them up no matter what?

edit: also, in event that all the admins are trying to really enforce naming policy (i'm sure it could happen however i doubt it would happen efficiently), then they should probably do a bunch of name bans all at once. It's like how it is better to do one big thing at once rather than doing small things multiple times.

Yes, there is currently a push to enforce naming policy. Most people have been willing to change their names when asked. I've seen a few people pick another non-acceptable name the next round but it typically does not escalate to a ban unless they are unwilling or unable to figure out a new name.

[DrunkenMatey]

Can we just stick with the basics? Have a first and last name. Lady Ari meets that criteria and then maybe have an additional bit about having names that are not obvious trolls (Mike Hunt, Fuck Face, Random Name) or other things like that and to top it off, rather than admins having to run around deciding which names they think are ok or not, they instead only bother with names if they are obvious trolls, don't have first & last or are getting ahelped from players, at which point the admin could bring it up with other admins, or take action right away if it is an egregious name.

What value is there in harassing players who have been around forever using the same name forever? Even if it isn't a "Good" name according to some. Just deal with obvious trolls or abusive names.

[elyina]

This thread has gone very off track. As I said in my original post this ban has nothing to do with naming policy and is about Rule 6. As ladyari has stated they still have no intention of following subjects ruling the appeal is denied. I don't foresee much useful discourse related to the ban occurring in this thread so I am considering the appeal resolved. Any headmin may post if they feel the need.
I encourage you guys to take this discussion to Policy Discussion.