[DaxYeen] Pandemonium1778 - 'Permanent' Ban
Posted: Fri Mar 01, 2019 8:45 pm
BYOND CKEY & Ingame Alias: Pandemonium1778 / Ardenti Sempiternum
Admin Involved: DaxYeen
Ban Type: Server Ban
Ban Duration: Permanent. I assume it was meant to be a month as stated in the reason, but DaxYeen seems to be very emotional when it comes to dealing with me so I'd chalk it up to that.
Ban Reason:
Time of the Ban: 21:20-ish, GMT+2
Server:Terry.
My Side of the Story: I have to preface this by saying that I find DaxYeen's engagement with me to be extremely childish and emotional at all times. I've spoken to plenty of admins over my time on TG's SS13 servers so far and yet only DaxYeen seems to have a desire to see me permanently removed from the playerlist and displays an outright refusal to listen to my explanations whenever I've had to deal with him/her. This includes refusing to accept any explanation I give and only viewing his/her own view of events as the ultimate truth. I also don't think, even if this ban is contextually justified, that a one month ban or permanent ban is acceptable or just. It's far too long relative to what was supposedly done against the rules in this incident.
The event in question took place in the last five minutes of a round, I was in the chapel, playing as the chaplain, talking to someone who wanted to have an honour duel with me when I noticed the Captain request that a borg state his laws. The borg didn't immediately state his laws so the captain started shooting him with a shotgun, the borg then robusted the shit out of him and cuffed him before leaving him be. This is the same borg that earlier in the round helped me kill a nuclear operative and I emagged as a thanks, so it was someone I could trust with IC reason.
It should also be noted the captain was a comdom, repeatedly flaunting power and restraining/brigging people throughout the entire round. But of course, this is an IC issue, so he won't face any admin punishment for that.
I then grabbed the restrained captain but didn't immediately let him go as I was concerned as to why he'd start blasting, he then proceeded to yell at everyone nearby to get me, asked me to release him and so forth and I didn't, nor did anyone jump him for obvious reasons, the lawyer then walked in and I asked him if he'd like the captain's ID because, again, the captain was a comdom all round. i stripped him of his equipment and handed him over to the lawyer after he asked me to give the captain to him.
I did so, and when the lawyer whom I assume was a traitor after the fact, spaced the captain, I did not stop him. Because again, the captain is a comdom and his safety is not my responsibility. I did have to flash the captain twice to get him out of the way though, as the chapel was a very narrow area and I didn't want to have to fiddle around with movement to get into the room.
DaxYeen then messaged me and immediately, as before, took what I said and spun it into his/her own version of things, interpreting what I myself was thinking and what I meant in the words I say rather than reading what I said. Which was quite clearly, that all I did was give the captain to someone who said they wanted the captain. I then did not prevent said person from spacing the captain because again, IC reasons and because it is not my responsibility to bodyguard the captain as a chaplain.
I was then permanently banned, I assume it was meant to be a month ban but - again - that is far too long given what actually transpired in this event. If DaxYeen wants to take some of my previous bans as 'precedent' for a ban like this, I would also disagree because none of those bans have been egregious at all. To my knowledge, I've been banned for failing to understand escalation rules twice and... that's about it, I also had some shorter bans for ICK OCK comments, but those were exceedingly minor and only justified 15 minute bans.
Why should I be unbanned?: Firstly, all of my previous offenses are as said, exceedingly minor. My longest ban to date barring this one was a week long ban for a failure to understand escalation rules if I recall correctly. I've been actively playing on TG station servers for a few hundred hours now, I've played with probably hundreds of players and met dozens of admins on the server the vast majority of whom have no issues with me. Secondly, the incident in question even if you say that the ban is justified, the duration is not. A month long ban for simply standing by as someone spaces someone? Even with the context of them being the captain and me potentially knowing the guy was a traitor - it is not required by the rules that I stop him from spacing the captain. It is not my job nor my responsibility to protect someone who has ruined the round for several players with unjust perma/labour sentences and prison times.
Lastly, I'd like to think I have shown good faith in my time on TG. Plenty of admins and players have interacted with me in the short time I've been here and I like to think I left a positive impression on most. In those cases where I did legitimately deserve a ban, I took the time to evaluate what I did wrong and bettered it. My escalation bans were a failure to understand escalation but I have managed to take the time to understand why and how to better work around those rules, and now play on the server on a regular basis without incident.
The same applies here. The ban is a learning experience for me to better my play around to avoid such incidents in future. And were it another admin who banned me, likely with some more explanation than putting words in my mouth, I likely would have only argued on the basis of the duration, however - my past interactions with DaxYeen lead me to believe that this ban was made entirely on an emotional level, due to his/her dislike of me as a person for whatever reason that might be. I'd actually say that the ban duration on the 'banned' message is actually a perfect example of this, given that an emotional response was likely to accidentally hit permanent rather than time it for a month. As far as I'm aware, no rules were broken during this. I understand that it is shitty for people to let traitors get away with murder, but the rules as far as I am aware do not state that you must explicitly kill anyone who tries to kill the captain or stop them from spacing the captain.
I hope to hear back favorably, I have done my best to display nothing but a willingness to learn, play and help others in my time on TG and will continue to do so regardless of the verdict on this ban.
Admin Involved: DaxYeen
Ban Type: Server Ban
Ban Duration: Permanent. I assume it was meant to be a month as stated in the reason, but DaxYeen seems to be very emotional when it comes to dealing with me so I'd chalk it up to that.
Ban Reason:
Time of the Ban: 21:20-ish, GMT+2
Server:Terry.
My Side of the Story: I have to preface this by saying that I find DaxYeen's engagement with me to be extremely childish and emotional at all times. I've spoken to plenty of admins over my time on TG's SS13 servers so far and yet only DaxYeen seems to have a desire to see me permanently removed from the playerlist and displays an outright refusal to listen to my explanations whenever I've had to deal with him/her. This includes refusing to accept any explanation I give and only viewing his/her own view of events as the ultimate truth. I also don't think, even if this ban is contextually justified, that a one month ban or permanent ban is acceptable or just. It's far too long relative to what was supposedly done against the rules in this incident.
The event in question took place in the last five minutes of a round, I was in the chapel, playing as the chaplain, talking to someone who wanted to have an honour duel with me when I noticed the Captain request that a borg state his laws. The borg didn't immediately state his laws so the captain started shooting him with a shotgun, the borg then robusted the shit out of him and cuffed him before leaving him be. This is the same borg that earlier in the round helped me kill a nuclear operative and I emagged as a thanks, so it was someone I could trust with IC reason.
It should also be noted the captain was a comdom, repeatedly flaunting power and restraining/brigging people throughout the entire round. But of course, this is an IC issue, so he won't face any admin punishment for that.
I then grabbed the restrained captain but didn't immediately let him go as I was concerned as to why he'd start blasting, he then proceeded to yell at everyone nearby to get me, asked me to release him and so forth and I didn't, nor did anyone jump him for obvious reasons, the lawyer then walked in and I asked him if he'd like the captain's ID because, again, the captain was a comdom all round. i stripped him of his equipment and handed him over to the lawyer after he asked me to give the captain to him.
I did so, and when the lawyer whom I assume was a traitor after the fact, spaced the captain, I did not stop him. Because again, the captain is a comdom and his safety is not my responsibility. I did have to flash the captain twice to get him out of the way though, as the chapel was a very narrow area and I didn't want to have to fiddle around with movement to get into the room.
DaxYeen then messaged me and immediately, as before, took what I said and spun it into his/her own version of things, interpreting what I myself was thinking and what I meant in the words I say rather than reading what I said. Which was quite clearly, that all I did was give the captain to someone who said they wanted the captain. I then did not prevent said person from spacing the captain because again, IC reasons and because it is not my responsibility to bodyguard the captain as a chaplain.
I was then permanently banned, I assume it was meant to be a month ban but - again - that is far too long given what actually transpired in this event. If DaxYeen wants to take some of my previous bans as 'precedent' for a ban like this, I would also disagree because none of those bans have been egregious at all. To my knowledge, I've been banned for failing to understand escalation rules twice and... that's about it, I also had some shorter bans for ICK OCK comments, but those were exceedingly minor and only justified 15 minute bans.
Why should I be unbanned?: Firstly, all of my previous offenses are as said, exceedingly minor. My longest ban to date barring this one was a week long ban for a failure to understand escalation rules if I recall correctly. I've been actively playing on TG station servers for a few hundred hours now, I've played with probably hundreds of players and met dozens of admins on the server the vast majority of whom have no issues with me. Secondly, the incident in question even if you say that the ban is justified, the duration is not. A month long ban for simply standing by as someone spaces someone? Even with the context of them being the captain and me potentially knowing the guy was a traitor - it is not required by the rules that I stop him from spacing the captain. It is not my job nor my responsibility to protect someone who has ruined the round for several players with unjust perma/labour sentences and prison times.
Lastly, I'd like to think I have shown good faith in my time on TG. Plenty of admins and players have interacted with me in the short time I've been here and I like to think I left a positive impression on most. In those cases where I did legitimately deserve a ban, I took the time to evaluate what I did wrong and bettered it. My escalation bans were a failure to understand escalation but I have managed to take the time to understand why and how to better work around those rules, and now play on the server on a regular basis without incident.
The same applies here. The ban is a learning experience for me to better my play around to avoid such incidents in future. And were it another admin who banned me, likely with some more explanation than putting words in my mouth, I likely would have only argued on the basis of the duration, however - my past interactions with DaxYeen lead me to believe that this ban was made entirely on an emotional level, due to his/her dislike of me as a person for whatever reason that might be. I'd actually say that the ban duration on the 'banned' message is actually a perfect example of this, given that an emotional response was likely to accidentally hit permanent rather than time it for a month. As far as I'm aware, no rules were broken during this. I understand that it is shitty for people to let traitors get away with murder, but the rules as far as I am aware do not state that you must explicitly kill anyone who tries to kill the captain or stop them from spacing the captain.
I hope to hear back favorably, I have done my best to display nothing but a willingness to learn, play and help others in my time on TG and will continue to do so regardless of the verdict on this ban.