[Coconutwarrior97] SpookyPurpleCat - PB'd for defensively removing a valid hunter off the white ship
Posted: Wed Apr 03, 2019 1:42 am
Byond Account and Character Name: SpookyPurpleCat - Len Hollow
Banning Admin: Coconutwarrior97
Ban Type: (What are you banned from?): All servers.
Ban Reason and Length: Permanent Ban. “Killed an officer, Athena Hunt, then dragged their corpse into lava on lavaland. You asked Athena to leave several times, they did not and so you killed them. That is not appropriate under escalation. Considering past incidents involving athena I beleive this is metagrudging, and a failure to learn how to follow escalation properly. I feel a permanent ban is appropriate”
Time ban was placed (including time zone): “2019-03-11 03:59:37”, whatever timezone the server uses.
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Sybil
Your side of the story:
So, from the beginning. William and I start as engineers, we both talk for a bit, joke around, and then decide to go find the white ship. We grab materials, grab hardsuits, fly off into space after setting up the engine.
Fast forward, we find the white ship. It’s the delta station white ship, so it’s the cool u-shaped design of the white ship. We secure it. We both agree that it would be a private ship, our ship, and we proceed to clean it up. We got the experimental autolathe, protolathe, and circuit printer along with the research console boards from the derelict, so we proceed to set that up in the white ship’s cargo bay. Then we realized we need to make a pit stop for parts, somewhere along there I mentioned that we should invite Brisco and Zoey onto the ship.
We dock at the station. We’re moored, so I PDA Brisco and ask if they wanted to be our whiteship cook, and they said they’ll be there and so I saw Brisco and stuff getting his stuff onto the ship. During this time I was talking over engineering radio and then noticed Ratman on the station, and he was talking to someone who was threatening them to hand over their gun or something or they’d be killed. It was sort of strange seeing a ghost role on the station, as I knew that they weren’t meant to leave the base at all. Soon after that encounter I sip some Nuka Cola and zoom to Engineering to grab some parts, but before I do this I hand Brisco my retro laser gun and told them to protect the ship and prevent anyone from entering. I get parts, rush to the ship with the help of Nuka Cola, and we sit on the ship for a bit. Then, Athena comes in, infecting all of us with the disease that was currently attacking the station. I told Athena to leave, many times, after which they refused, and walked away as I tried to pull them out passively out of the ship. As said in the admin helps, I told Athena to “get out once.”, but that’s false, as it can be proved in logs that I gave them many chances to leave the ship, knowing that there was an epidemic on the station that William and I were trying to avoid getting infected.
https://gyazo.com/da7cc39f2f736628c8e295c33fcc5abf
After which, I try to disarm them, and try to pull them out of the ship with nonlethal efforts.
[2019-03-11 02:57:51.216] ATTACK: SpookyPurpleCat/(Len Hollow) has grabbed Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) passive grab (NEWHP: 87.7) (Abandoned Ship Medbay (97, 10, 5))
[2019-03-11 02:57:54.661] ATTACK: SpookyPurpleCat/(Len Hollow) has disarmed Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) (NEWHP: 87.7) (Abandoned Ship Crew Quarters (96, 19, 5))
https://gyazo.com/4db63dbe2b78d1607e19cc598fbd2e55
After which I nailed them with a toolbox, to try to get them to leave, which they then stun me, which invoked a lethal reaction from Brisco, as the provided player is known to remove people from rounds for the slightest thing.
BrokenOculus/(Brisco Masada) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 27.5) (Abandoned Ship Medbay (93, 10, 5))
After which, Brisco unloads the retro laser gun into the invader which then lethally kills them. After that, a borg (HK-7 something) rolls in, and watches Brisco unload into them. Brisco shakes me up, and the borg says:
[2019-03-11 02:58:22.695] SAY: Moist Cookie/(HK-47) "uh" (Abandoned Ship Bridge (92, 12, 5))
[2019-03-11 02:58:24.814] SAY: Moist Cookie/(HK-47) "thats human harm" (Abandoned Ship Bridge (92, 12, 5))
After which I realize that the borg just watched us kill off a known shitter, who was at the time human, both Brisco and I were felinids, meaning that the borg could flash and kill both of us since none of us had flash protection. I, in defense, state that the “human” we just killed was a changeling. After that, the borg starts to follow me as I drag the body, and doesn’t stop following me until we change the ship location to lavaland, and when I went outside the ship, the borg was STILL following me, so I throw the body one block into lava, which then my pursuer says,
[2019-03-11 02:59:07.984] SAY: Moist Cookie/(HK-47) "perfect" (Lavaland Wastes (153, 26, 5))
After watching me throw Athena one tile into lava, easily retrievable and not quite too far from the lavaland base, HK goes back to the ship and continues to clean, afterwich I then go back to the ship myself.
Why Athena was on the ship? I don’t know, but they were told to leave many, many times. From what I’ve heard so far, they were on the ship trying to valid hunt Ratman, who was not on our ship at all until after they were shot up by Brisco. What I don't understand is why they wouldn't leave when told, and why they even brought a ghost role to the station just to try to kill them anyway.
"Killed an Officer" it wasn't even me that killed Athena, it was Brisco who killed them. This can be proved in logs.
“Considering past incidents involving athena I beleive this is metagrudging”
“Past events”, was when Athena was trying to ban bait in the past, I did say I really hate him, but that doesn't mean I'm going to metagrudge them and get banned. Also, I acted in defense for throwing them in the lava because the borg was following me and staring me down watching what I do with the body, so I didn't have an option, because I didn't want to get valid hunted by a borg because a known shitter boarded our ship. We all know that Athena is known for removing people from the round for the slightest thing(even went to the extent of bringing Ratman to the station, just to valid hunt them, as said by the player who played Ratman that round), so Brisco acted in defense in lethaling Athena to death for stunning me, because once you're stunned you can't do anything and you're at the hands of someone who will go out of their way to remove you from the round cause "lol valid".
Why you think you should be unbanned: I think I should be unbanned, because one, I was not the one who killed Athena; that was Brisco, who lethally shot them to death, not me. Two, Athena was told to leave many times, I even tried to drag them out, then tried to disarm them, so they’ll fall over, so I could pull them out of the ship, again. The ship was docked on the station, he would’ve been fine to leave. I don’t understand why they didn’t leave, they had no reason to be on the ship to try to ruin our thing we had going on. They are literally known in the sybil community to start screaming once things don’t go their way, which can be referred back to when they were getting executed and were beginning to mock their executors by calling them valid hunters in IC chat (refer to player Nox for more information on that scenario)
Overall, I don’t think I should’ve been permanently banned for “killing” someone that I didn’t even kill, and was in self defense keeping a player locally known in the sybil community to ruin things, out of our ship. I know I threw them into lava, but it’s not like I had a choice with the borg breathing down my neck watching me the whole time with the body. I wasn’t the original person to kill them, nor did I have intentions to lethally remove them from the ship, only to get them to run away from our ship / stay away from our ship.
Banning Admin: Coconutwarrior97
Ban Type: (What are you banned from?): All servers.
Ban Reason and Length: Permanent Ban. “Killed an officer, Athena Hunt, then dragged their corpse into lava on lavaland. You asked Athena to leave several times, they did not and so you killed them. That is not appropriate under escalation. Considering past incidents involving athena I beleive this is metagrudging, and a failure to learn how to follow escalation properly. I feel a permanent ban is appropriate”
Time ban was placed (including time zone): “2019-03-11 03:59:37”, whatever timezone the server uses.
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Sybil
Your side of the story:
So, from the beginning. William and I start as engineers, we both talk for a bit, joke around, and then decide to go find the white ship. We grab materials, grab hardsuits, fly off into space after setting up the engine.
Fast forward, we find the white ship. It’s the delta station white ship, so it’s the cool u-shaped design of the white ship. We secure it. We both agree that it would be a private ship, our ship, and we proceed to clean it up. We got the experimental autolathe, protolathe, and circuit printer along with the research console boards from the derelict, so we proceed to set that up in the white ship’s cargo bay. Then we realized we need to make a pit stop for parts, somewhere along there I mentioned that we should invite Brisco and Zoey onto the ship.
We dock at the station. We’re moored, so I PDA Brisco and ask if they wanted to be our whiteship cook, and they said they’ll be there and so I saw Brisco and stuff getting his stuff onto the ship. During this time I was talking over engineering radio and then noticed Ratman on the station, and he was talking to someone who was threatening them to hand over their gun or something or they’d be killed. It was sort of strange seeing a ghost role on the station, as I knew that they weren’t meant to leave the base at all. Soon after that encounter I sip some Nuka Cola and zoom to Engineering to grab some parts, but before I do this I hand Brisco my retro laser gun and told them to protect the ship and prevent anyone from entering. I get parts, rush to the ship with the help of Nuka Cola, and we sit on the ship for a bit. Then, Athena comes in, infecting all of us with the disease that was currently attacking the station. I told Athena to leave, many times, after which they refused, and walked away as I tried to pull them out passively out of the ship. As said in the admin helps, I told Athena to “get out once.”, but that’s false, as it can be proved in logs that I gave them many chances to leave the ship, knowing that there was an epidemic on the station that William and I were trying to avoid getting infected.
https://gyazo.com/da7cc39f2f736628c8e295c33fcc5abf
After which, I try to disarm them, and try to pull them out of the ship with nonlethal efforts.
[2019-03-11 02:57:51.216] ATTACK: SpookyPurpleCat/(Len Hollow) has grabbed Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) passive grab (NEWHP: 87.7) (Abandoned Ship Medbay (97, 10, 5))
[2019-03-11 02:57:54.661] ATTACK: SpookyPurpleCat/(Len Hollow) has disarmed Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) (NEWHP: 87.7) (Abandoned Ship Crew Quarters (96, 19, 5))
https://gyazo.com/4db63dbe2b78d1607e19cc598fbd2e55
After which I nailed them with a toolbox, to try to get them to leave, which they then stun me, which invoked a lethal reaction from Brisco, as the provided player is known to remove people from rounds for the slightest thing.
BrokenOculus/(Brisco Masada) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 27.5) (Abandoned Ship Medbay (93, 10, 5))
After which, Brisco unloads the retro laser gun into the invader which then lethally kills them. After that, a borg (HK-7 something) rolls in, and watches Brisco unload into them. Brisco shakes me up, and the borg says:
[2019-03-11 02:58:22.695] SAY: Moist Cookie/(HK-47) "uh" (Abandoned Ship Bridge (92, 12, 5))
[2019-03-11 02:58:24.814] SAY: Moist Cookie/(HK-47) "thats human harm" (Abandoned Ship Bridge (92, 12, 5))
After which I realize that the borg just watched us kill off a known shitter, who was at the time human, both Brisco and I were felinids, meaning that the borg could flash and kill both of us since none of us had flash protection. I, in defense, state that the “human” we just killed was a changeling. After that, the borg starts to follow me as I drag the body, and doesn’t stop following me until we change the ship location to lavaland, and when I went outside the ship, the borg was STILL following me, so I throw the body one block into lava, which then my pursuer says,
[2019-03-11 02:59:07.984] SAY: Moist Cookie/(HK-47) "perfect" (Lavaland Wastes (153, 26, 5))
After watching me throw Athena one tile into lava, easily retrievable and not quite too far from the lavaland base, HK goes back to the ship and continues to clean, afterwich I then go back to the ship myself.
Why Athena was on the ship? I don’t know, but they were told to leave many, many times. From what I’ve heard so far, they were on the ship trying to valid hunt Ratman, who was not on our ship at all until after they were shot up by Brisco. What I don't understand is why they wouldn't leave when told, and why they even brought a ghost role to the station just to try to kill them anyway.
"Killed an Officer" it wasn't even me that killed Athena, it was Brisco who killed them. This can be proved in logs.
“Considering past incidents involving athena I beleive this is metagrudging”
“Past events”, was when Athena was trying to ban bait in the past, I did say I really hate him, but that doesn't mean I'm going to metagrudge them and get banned. Also, I acted in defense for throwing them in the lava because the borg was following me and staring me down watching what I do with the body, so I didn't have an option, because I didn't want to get valid hunted by a borg because a known shitter boarded our ship. We all know that Athena is known for removing people from the round for the slightest thing(even went to the extent of bringing Ratman to the station, just to valid hunt them, as said by the player who played Ratman that round), so Brisco acted in defense in lethaling Athena to death for stunning me, because once you're stunned you can't do anything and you're at the hands of someone who will go out of their way to remove you from the round cause "lol valid".
Why you think you should be unbanned: I think I should be unbanned, because one, I was not the one who killed Athena; that was Brisco, who lethally shot them to death, not me. Two, Athena was told to leave many times, I even tried to drag them out, then tried to disarm them, so they’ll fall over, so I could pull them out of the ship, again. The ship was docked on the station, he would’ve been fine to leave. I don’t understand why they didn’t leave, they had no reason to be on the ship to try to ruin our thing we had going on. They are literally known in the sybil community to start screaming once things don’t go their way, which can be referred back to when they were getting executed and were beginning to mock their executors by calling them valid hunters in IC chat (refer to player Nox for more information on that scenario)
Overall, I don’t think I should’ve been permanently banned for “killing” someone that I didn’t even kill, and was in self defense keeping a player locally known in the sybil community to ruin things, out of our ship. I know I threw them into lava, but it’s not like I had a choice with the borg breathing down my neck watching me the whole time with the body. I wasn’t the original person to kill them, nor did I have intentions to lethally remove them from the ship, only to get them to run away from our ship / stay away from our ship.