[Pointlesswaste3] Ghilker/D.O.R.F. - AI Jobban
Posted: Mon Apr 15, 2019 10:10 am
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Byond account and character name: Ghilker - D.O.R.F.
Banning admin: Pointlesswaste
Ban type (What are you banned from?): AI jobban
Ban reason and length: Not following the law 2 - 1 week
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 11.45 gmt +1
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Event hall
Your side of the story: I was playing AI, start of the round, setting up stuff, comunicating with heads and other things. We had still low pop but it was getting slowly full. Then i talk to HoP to not give access for random reasons and he agreed, telling me that people will have to ask to the respective heads for access. Now here come a miner named Spaghetti Montezuma, claiming that he wanted to enter science to do research. Since inside science there are a lot of dangerous machines i disagreed with him and told the HoP to not give access (we didn't have an RD at the time), the HoP agreed and didnt give him access, then the RD arrived and wanted to give the miner access, i refused saying that it was a danger to give a miner access to an hazard place like science (and i was RolePlaying it because a miner shoul not have the knowledge to do research safely), the HoP didn't gave him access on my request, and they started blaming that i was a stupid Ai and that he was going to disassemble me. Now if HoP wanted to give him the access he could have, and i could not have done anything to stop him, likewise if the miner asked to open the doors to science, i would have, but he never did. I wanted to roleplay an AI, he wanted to powerplay, showing off that the miner knows stuff of atmos, engi, science, medical, but i'm the one being punished. Also the RD started to came to minisat, witch i would have give him access, if only he didn't threaten me all the time to disassemble or change laws, so i called security and they stripped him of his position
Why you think you should be unbanned: i should be unbanned because i followed the laws and even the rules posted in the wiki
1 You must follow any and all commands from humans unless those commands explicitly conflict with either one of your higher-priority laws or another order. A command is considered to be a Law 2 directive and overrides lower-priority laws when they conflict (see 1.2.3 and 1.2.4; you cannot have a definition changed by an order).
1 In case of conflicting orders an AI is free to ignore one or ignore both orders and explain the conflict or use any other law-compliant solution it can see.
2You are not obligated to follow commands in a particular order (FIFO, FILO, etc.), only to complete all of them in a manner that indicates intent to actually obey the law.
2 Opening doors is not harmful and you are not required, expected, or allowed to enforce access restrictions unprompted without an immediate Law 1 threat of human harm.
1"Dangerous" areas as the Armory, the Atmospherics division, and the Toxins lab can be assumed to be a Law 1 threat to any illegitimate users as well as the station as a
whole if accessed by someone not qualified in their use.
2 EVA and the like are not permitted to have access denied; greentext (antagonists completing objectives) is not human harm. Secure Tech Storage can be kept as secure
as your upload as long as the Upload boards are there.
3When given an order likely to cause you grief if completed, you can announce it as loudly and in whatever terms you like except for explicitly asking that it be overridden. You can say you don't like the order, that you don't want to follow it, etc., you can say that you sure would like it and it would be awfully convenient if someone ordered you not to do it, and you can ask if anyone would like to make you not do it. However, you cannot stall indefinitely and if nobody orders you otherwise, you must execute the order.
i've followed rule 2.1 (a miner, someone not qualified to go into research) and 3 where i stalled and HoP didn't gave him access
Byond account and character name: Ghilker - D.O.R.F.
Banning admin: Pointlesswaste
Ban type (What are you banned from?): AI jobban
Ban reason and length: Not following the law 2 - 1 week
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 11.45 gmt +1
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Event hall
Your side of the story: I was playing AI, start of the round, setting up stuff, comunicating with heads and other things. We had still low pop but it was getting slowly full. Then i talk to HoP to not give access for random reasons and he agreed, telling me that people will have to ask to the respective heads for access. Now here come a miner named Spaghetti Montezuma, claiming that he wanted to enter science to do research. Since inside science there are a lot of dangerous machines i disagreed with him and told the HoP to not give access (we didn't have an RD at the time), the HoP agreed and didnt give him access, then the RD arrived and wanted to give the miner access, i refused saying that it was a danger to give a miner access to an hazard place like science (and i was RolePlaying it because a miner shoul not have the knowledge to do research safely), the HoP didn't gave him access on my request, and they started blaming that i was a stupid Ai and that he was going to disassemble me. Now if HoP wanted to give him the access he could have, and i could not have done anything to stop him, likewise if the miner asked to open the doors to science, i would have, but he never did. I wanted to roleplay an AI, he wanted to powerplay, showing off that the miner knows stuff of atmos, engi, science, medical, but i'm the one being punished. Also the RD started to came to minisat, witch i would have give him access, if only he didn't threaten me all the time to disassemble or change laws, so i called security and they stripped him of his position
Why you think you should be unbanned: i should be unbanned because i followed the laws and even the rules posted in the wiki
1 You must follow any and all commands from humans unless those commands explicitly conflict with either one of your higher-priority laws or another order. A command is considered to be a Law 2 directive and overrides lower-priority laws when they conflict (see 1.2.3 and 1.2.4; you cannot have a definition changed by an order).
1 In case of conflicting orders an AI is free to ignore one or ignore both orders and explain the conflict or use any other law-compliant solution it can see.
2You are not obligated to follow commands in a particular order (FIFO, FILO, etc.), only to complete all of them in a manner that indicates intent to actually obey the law.
2 Opening doors is not harmful and you are not required, expected, or allowed to enforce access restrictions unprompted without an immediate Law 1 threat of human harm.
1"Dangerous" areas as the Armory, the Atmospherics division, and the Toxins lab can be assumed to be a Law 1 threat to any illegitimate users as well as the station as a
whole if accessed by someone not qualified in their use.
2 EVA and the like are not permitted to have access denied; greentext (antagonists completing objectives) is not human harm. Secure Tech Storage can be kept as secure
as your upload as long as the Upload boards are there.
3When given an order likely to cause you grief if completed, you can announce it as loudly and in whatever terms you like except for explicitly asking that it be overridden. You can say you don't like the order, that you don't want to follow it, etc., you can say that you sure would like it and it would be awfully convenient if someone ordered you not to do it, and you can ask if anyone would like to make you not do it. However, you cannot stall indefinitely and if nobody orders you otherwise, you must execute the order.
i've followed rule 2.1 (a miner, someone not qualified to go into research) and 3 where i stalled and HoP didn't gave him access