Byond account and character name: Shadowflame909 - Owen Kimple
Banning admin: Mortosasye
Ban type (What are you banned from?): All Servers.
Ban reason and length: "Can't be trusted by admins. Gave them accidentally the real nuke codes thinking it could be used for the beer nuke they requested, after they got an error message they decided to nuke the station instead of not doing anything and talked with joy on OOC about what they did. While i was partially at fault for not double checking and handed out the gun, they were the ones that maliciously pulled the trigger."
"Banned from the server for 1 month - Requested the codes for the beer nuke, and i gave them the real ones thinking it worked for the beer nuke too. After he tried using them on the beer nuke he got an error message multiple times: Tried to contact centcomm and then shortly after i left to handle a IRL situation, blew the station with the codes i gave him. His explanation was that he thought me leaving was a ''nudge nudge'' blow the station instead of following the headset message i sent specifically stating it was for the beer nuke. Because an admin hands you a gun accidentally, it doesn't mean you have to pull the trigger."
Time ban was placed (including time zone): PST 12:01 5/26/19
Server you were playing when banned (Sybil or Bagil): Bagil
Your side of the story: To keep the story short, since no one likes to read word salads. I become a captain like 2/3rds of the crew. I trade the captains Door-Remote for the Nuke Disk. I ask for the Beer-Nuke codes. Admin ponders and gives me a set of codes. I try it on the beer nuke at least 30 times. Nothing but errors. I ask for confirmation of the codes and keep trying it. I begin trying random codes and send a Centcomm Notice again that "These Nuke Codes are not working." Nothing is sent back, and the Admin on OOC logs off soon after. My dumb brain puts two and two together and thinks "The admin was doing goofy events earlier. These Nuke Codes may not be for the beer nuke. Which is why they ignored my requests." So, I go and set it to Delta, stop a medical doctor from stopping me and run off into space. Boom. The Round ends.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I accept that I am at fault for the death of the innocent crew-members. I screwed up, that's as clear as day. I want the note to be edited though. This was not an act out of malice or an untrustworthy one. It was just very obvious miscommunication, which I tried to address to the fullest capacity I could as a player until I made that idiotic mistake.
The second thing I want to note here is that. Mortosasye was REALLY mad. They were pumping themselves up in a similar manner to what I could only compare to an armed assailant pumping themselves up to shoot someone. A bit of an extreme comparison, but I couldn't compare it any other way when looking at how Mortosasye nitpicked and refuted any sort of pre-emptive action I tried to take before going to such an outcome. Edit: The reason I am mentioning this, is because I do not think it's the right attitude to take when you're trying to get to the bottom of things. If you already have the mentality that someone is guilty before they defend themselves. What is that person supposed to do? Roll over and die?
In the precedent of Note-Appeals and using a statement by MSO. I think that calling me a player to never be trusted is an Unfair and harsh judgment. That will reflect poorly on me for the rest of my time on /tg/station. I would never do something this impactful to the round without any excuse but at that very moment. When I compared it to the fact that "If an admin gives you the nuclear codes. That means they consent to you using them to end the round." and the fact that I tried to once more notably remedy the situation before I took any major assumptions, and I was simply ignored.
It does not seem like such a stretch to me that I would try to do something else with the codes. I am not a malicious player who finds fun in making the crew sideways. I enjoy this game and even though I'm not always right. I always try to get it to go into the best possible direction that I can imagine.
Please take another look at this, and see to it that you step into my shoes. Or play "devil's advocate" as you will, and understand how I could have gone to such measures as I did.
[Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
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Shadowflame909
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MortoSasye
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Re: [Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
Relevant logs to this appeal from round 109214:
Our ahelp conversation [click on the images to see it better]:
I want to hear your defense against the following statements done by you, and why i shouldn't consider your actions as malicious + why i should consider you're trustworthy after what you did:
[2019-05-26 05:28:06.848] SAY: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) (priority announcement) "Centcomm gave me the real nuke codes when I asked for the fake ones. YIFF IN HELL." (Bridge (153, 138, 2))
[2019-05-26 05:30:45.341] OOC: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) "I asked mortosasye for the beer nuke codes" (Space (210, 41, 9))
[2019-05-26 05:30:51.060] OOC: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) "must of accidentally given me the real ones" (Space (216, 35, 9))
[2019-05-26 05:30:53.342] OOC: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) "so I nuked" (Space (219, 32, 9))
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[2019-05-26 05:28:06.848] SAY: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) (priority announcement) "Centcomm gave me the real nuke codes when I asked for the fake ones. YIFF IN HELL." (Bridge (153, 138, 2))
[2019-05-26 05:30:45.341] OOC: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) "I asked mortosasye for the beer nuke codes" (Space (210, 41, 9))
[2019-05-26 05:30:51.060] OOC: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) "must of accidentally given me the real ones" (Space (216, 35, 9))
[2019-05-26 05:30:53.342] OOC: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) "so I nuked" (Space (219, 32, 9))
Bella Rouge; no, it's not Rogue
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Shadowflame909
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Re: [Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
That would be accurate, if not nitpicked and taken out of context. Which I refer to you my second point of you acting way too maliciously as an admin instead of trying to simply get to the bottom of things.
My first response to your ahelp instantly led you to shut me down with your verdict that I was guilty.
Secondly, your whole point of contention for why I was guilty was from a completely different side of things. I was playing Devils Advocate for you because the playerbase was yelling at you after logging off. So I wanted to state potential reasons for what could have happened instead. It was not the reason I nuked, so I did not "trick you" or "misuse" your trust. Like you so heartfeltly misunderstood.
That Yiff in Hell thing. Yeah, I was being dumb. But from my viewpoint, the admin wanted me to nuke. Because they gave me the nuke codes and ignored my requests to correct it. I was under a lot of tension, so shouting something obscene was a pretty good relief.
So to summarize. A. Those logs prove that more or less your anger very much so was influencing the state of affairs very clearly. Chill out. B. I was trying to defend you with alternate scenarios that could have happened, not what I believed. When the entire server started to diss you. C. "Yiff in Hell" is supposed to show the malicious cruelty of me as a player? We don't even have fur-people on this station!
Lastly, I would once more like to state. I don't want an unban at all. That's ludicrous and I would simply be avoiding the well-deserved punishment that I've long realized is something I deserve for killing the crew. I just don't want that first note to exist. It's incredibly biased, filled with rage and is more akin to a permaban watchlist note "Joe Tide" would get when he has one more chance to act straight. Or else he's gone for good. Very similar in my point of view.
Edit: When an admin offers you a chance at excitement and fun. That's all you think it is, fun. So when people shit on the admin, you should defend them because they had greatly improved your experience of the round.
That's all I was doing. Trying to defend you with anything you could have been thinking, other then what I thought. Someone malicious wouldn't have strived to do that. Maybe someone stupid enough not to connect two and two together. But malicious? I think not.
Edit 2: It's very clear where my viewpoint started to shift for the purpose of this item.
[2019-05-26 05:25:09.327] SAY: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) (CentCom announcement) "Were the codes not for the Beer Nuke?" (Captain's Office (161, 130, 2))
[2019-05-26 05:26:48.049] ACCESS: Logout: MortoSasye/(Bella Rouge)
This is when, like I said. You were going "nudge nudge" because you didn't want to be yelled at for the mass destruction of the item.
That was my very wrong interpretation of it at least.
My first response to your ahelp instantly led you to shut me down with your verdict that I was guilty.
Secondly, your whole point of contention for why I was guilty was from a completely different side of things. I was playing Devils Advocate for you because the playerbase was yelling at you after logging off. So I wanted to state potential reasons for what could have happened instead. It was not the reason I nuked, so I did not "trick you" or "misuse" your trust. Like you so heartfeltly misunderstood.
That Yiff in Hell thing. Yeah, I was being dumb. But from my viewpoint, the admin wanted me to nuke. Because they gave me the nuke codes and ignored my requests to correct it. I was under a lot of tension, so shouting something obscene was a pretty good relief.
So to summarize. A. Those logs prove that more or less your anger very much so was influencing the state of affairs very clearly. Chill out. B. I was trying to defend you with alternate scenarios that could have happened, not what I believed. When the entire server started to diss you. C. "Yiff in Hell" is supposed to show the malicious cruelty of me as a player? We don't even have fur-people on this station!
Lastly, I would once more like to state. I don't want an unban at all. That's ludicrous and I would simply be avoiding the well-deserved punishment that I've long realized is something I deserve for killing the crew. I just don't want that first note to exist. It's incredibly biased, filled with rage and is more akin to a permaban watchlist note "Joe Tide" would get when he has one more chance to act straight. Or else he's gone for good. Very similar in my point of view.
Edit: When an admin offers you a chance at excitement and fun. That's all you think it is, fun. So when people shit on the admin, you should defend them because they had greatly improved your experience of the round.
That's all I was doing. Trying to defend you with anything you could have been thinking, other then what I thought. Someone malicious wouldn't have strived to do that. Maybe someone stupid enough not to connect two and two together. But malicious? I think not.
Edit 2: It's very clear where my viewpoint started to shift for the purpose of this item.
[2019-05-26 05:25:09.327] SAY: Shadowflame909/(Owen Kimple) (CentCom announcement) "Were the codes not for the Beer Nuke?" (Captain's Office (161, 130, 2))
[2019-05-26 05:26:48.049] ACCESS: Logout: MortoSasye/(Bella Rouge)
This is when, like I said. You were going "nudge nudge" because you didn't want to be yelled at for the mass destruction of the item.
That was my very wrong interpretation of it at least.
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MortoSasye
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Re: [Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
This appeal is denied from my part, I don't think the note is incorrect, neither unfair to you in any sense. A headmin may overrule my decision if they wish.
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Re: [Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
In any way shape or form. I completely misunderstood MortoSasye's goal with the Nuke-Codes. They told me it was for the Beer-Nuke. But it did not work for the Beer-Nuke.
My thoughts went pretty stupid at that point. Instead of any confirmation on what these codes were actually for. The admin was busy with something and logged off. So I took it into my own hands to find a purpose for these codes. When it was merely just a case of lacking communication.
I accept the ban. But I do want to say that, Mortosasye. When you say that I, used the codes whilst knowing the reason. As I state later in OOC. I want to point out that those logs were taken from a time where Mortosasye was being bashed AFTER the round.
I was playing devil's advocate because of the fact that Mortosasye gave me the codes and, that I used them. I thought she did it intentionally and I wanted people to stop blaming them. That is why I said that, to give an alternative viewpoint so people would stop blaming them.
Seems like a cop-out. But it was my true viewpoint. I'm sure many of us would feel the same. If we had a fun experience thanks to an admin, and the admin was being shat on for it. It's just natural.
My thoughts went pretty stupid at that point. Instead of any confirmation on what these codes were actually for. The admin was busy with something and logged off. So I took it into my own hands to find a purpose for these codes. When it was merely just a case of lacking communication.
I accept the ban. But I do want to say that, Mortosasye. When you say that I, used the codes whilst knowing the reason. As I state later in OOC. I want to point out that those logs were taken from a time where Mortosasye was being bashed AFTER the round.
I was playing devil's advocate because of the fact that Mortosasye gave me the codes and, that I used them. I thought she did it intentionally and I wanted people to stop blaming them. That is why I said that, to give an alternative viewpoint so people would stop blaming them.
Seems like a cop-out. But it was my true viewpoint. I'm sure many of us would feel the same. If we had a fun experience thanks to an admin, and the admin was being shat on for it. It's just natural.
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Re: [Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
Hi!
I will accept this appeal, and the note has be changed to this:
I am no one to guess what your intentions were, and I agree that the initial note was aggressive - I also understand that Morto probably felt guilty because they wanted you to do a funny joke and it ended up in the round being nuked because of a mistake that shouldn't have been abused.
I hope this works out better for you and that there are no hard feelings. I only wish that you do not disappoint me in the future, as I'm trusting that you genuinely didn't mean to do anything wrong.
This appeal is resolved, but I will let it sit for a day before locking it.
I will accept this appeal, and the note has be changed to this:
There was no reason to detonate the real nuke, and while MortoSasye made a mistake, there is a huge gap between the beer nuke and the real one. The estimated amount of online players at the moment was +50, and even though the usual lenght is a day per player, shortening it to 30 days was enough.Note edited by wubli: They requested the codes for the beer nuke, and the banning admin, MortoSasye, mistakingly gave them the actual nuke codes since they didn't know they were different, and logged off due to personal reasons. After multiple failed tries to detonate the beer nuke and no response from CentCom, they thought that the admin wanted them to detonate the real nuke as part of a joke. There was no indication of this, and thus, they ended a round as a non-antag. While the intention might not have been bad, there's still the fact that it would be unfair to the players -including the antags- not to act on this.
I am no one to guess what your intentions were, and I agree that the initial note was aggressive - I also understand that Morto probably felt guilty because they wanted you to do a funny joke and it ended up in the round being nuked because of a mistake that shouldn't have been abused.
I hope this works out better for you and that there are no hard feelings. I only wish that you do not disappoint me in the future, as I'm trusting that you genuinely didn't mean to do anything wrong.
This appeal is resolved, but I will let it sit for a day before locking it.
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Re: [Mortosasye] - That's unfair to me.
Thank You. I will learn from this mistake and change my ways, so a misunderstanding as bad as this one shall never happen again from me.
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