vekter - CheSquatt - Chaplain/Assistant Ban.
Posted: Sun Dec 28, 2014 7:07 pm
Byond account and character name: CheSquatt, Tommy Chav
Banning admin: vekter
Ban type (e.g. Engineering jobban): Assistant Job Ban, Chaplain Job Ban
Ban reason and length: "Started Race Riot against Lizards because >le funny racist face, ended up fucking up the entire round and getting people killed. Sounds like greytide to me." then added "Appeal in a couple weeks.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): Not totally positive, but around Midnight Mountain Standard.
Your side of the story: I spawned in as Chaplain, as Tommy Chav who as a character is a racist british guy who hates Lizards because "what fer stealin human joobs." So I decided to start a religion to galvanize the human race against the lizards. Our savior was David Icke, we were the church of the NT Defense League. I put out the announcement for people to come and join the Church if they want to get rid of the lizards from the workplace. To my great surprise about 6 people showed up. One with the head shaver. So it then became a rule to shave your head to be part of the church. By the time everyone had their head shaved we had about 8 people in the church, even some sec. I was dizzy with success of the religion so I decided to make a move, first the librarian joined us and began filled everywhere with anti-lizard literature. Then we march down the hallway and saw a lizard in botany, we hopped over the counter and dragged him into the hallway, where he was stripped of his ID and fairly quickly (as far as I know) set free.
We did similar things in Medical, and Science. However when we got into science because a human reported a lot of lizards, and dropped his ID outside science for m. Then some "Dirty izzard fackin traitors" used golden slime to repel the shaven head assault on their department, which resulted in some serious death and injury not only among the human race warriors, but among scientists and people in the hallway. I think someone mentioned the captain or someone got knocked into crit by a pine tree.
After this, security was paying attention obviously because as we were regrouping in the Chapel, they showed up and said "Your coming with me!" to which I hid behind the Christmas tree whilst a battle ensued between security and the NTDL. I ran into the maint shaft where I saw a shaven headed NTDL being arrested, so I pushed over the sec guard, then the other person stunend him. I then cuffed him and thought we could take him hostage, but he went braindead so he was then stripped. After this it was kind of a low intensity conflict with Security, I think some people had hatchets and cut some people, as far as I saw nobody was killed by the NTDL, but I could be mistaken. I myself, as far as I remember only disarmed people, and handcuffed one person, but I may have got a single attack in at some point but I remember consciously thinking I shouldn't do that. I Thought it was over when Tommy Chav was arrested and brought to that cold back room and injected, turns out those syringes just have sleep toxin, so I came to and was discovered and brought to the escape shuttle. Then I heard a commotion and saw the shuttle was full of horrible monsters from Xeno then I saw "THIS IS WHAT YOU LIZARDS GET" in chat. This was not what I wanted, this was not what I intended.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I should begin by saying that I am banned from both Assistant and Chaplain for this series of events. Chaplain maybe, assistant is a bit of a weird choice. Anyhow, the way I see it, this was not a "Grey tide." We did not break into areas and just steal whatever we wanted, we act randomly. We targeted lizards, we had a religion, a uniform (shaven heads) and were spreading literature. This is far more developed than a grey tide, and in it exists an actual degree of character and roleplay. I remember actually reading in the OCC chat (maybe a little Icky in Ocky) "This round is awesome" a couple times. I remember seeing an organized group of lizards marching down the hallways for safety in number, I remember getting a message from collaborators within a department who also wanted to see the lizards out and gave us our in. This is not the character of a Greytide, but an actual roleplay developed by a chaplain who managed to gain zealous followers, which I presume should be the goal of a proselytizing chaplain.
That ALL being said. I don't understand why I got banned from both positions. In one case, it is saying I abused the position as the Chaplain, but in doing this you are admitting that do a degree the Chaplain has a special RP role to gain followers. Otherwise, why ban me from the position? I have stated above how the NTDL was a developed RP group of religious zealots, and that the Chaplain (me) managed to spread the word in a powerful way and gain these followers. Maybe this is Abuse of my ability to speak "what wiff beautiful werds," but it seems like Chaplains should strive to gain zealous followers, like any religion.
The Second Ban being assistant, with it is attached the idea that the NTDL was a greytide. It was not, as I mentioned above the character of a Greytide was lacking. This is coupled with the Chaplain ban that this was an action attached to me being the Chaplain with his role of gaining followers, which kind of takes out of question the possibility of being a grey tide.
To conclude, this is a One, the other, or a neither situation. I do admit that my actions caused problems, I don't think more than a lot of other random events that have occurred on the station, and I don't think enough to warrant that much of a punishment. But I think the racial antagonism on the station is not "greytiding" but the subject of actual contradiction among the crew that is okay to be focused on from time to time. But if I am to be punished, say I either abused my position as the Chaplain in doing what I did, or that I greytided. These two accusations are however, somewhat incompatible given the context.
If the admins think this whole punishment is a silly way to punish a character for creating fun conflict not randomly spawned, then by all means lift it. But I can accept responsibility if I was just being a shitler, and I will admit fault. However I feel like if both of these bans are in place there is a contradiction in the implied charges, and one or the other should be lifted.
Please and thankyou.
Banning admin: vekter
Ban type (e.g. Engineering jobban): Assistant Job Ban, Chaplain Job Ban
Ban reason and length: "Started Race Riot against Lizards because >le funny racist face, ended up fucking up the entire round and getting people killed. Sounds like greytide to me." then added "Appeal in a couple weeks.
Time ban was placed (including time zone): Not totally positive, but around Midnight Mountain Standard.
Your side of the story: I spawned in as Chaplain, as Tommy Chav who as a character is a racist british guy who hates Lizards because "what fer stealin human joobs." So I decided to start a religion to galvanize the human race against the lizards. Our savior was David Icke, we were the church of the NT Defense League. I put out the announcement for people to come and join the Church if they want to get rid of the lizards from the workplace. To my great surprise about 6 people showed up. One with the head shaver. So it then became a rule to shave your head to be part of the church. By the time everyone had their head shaved we had about 8 people in the church, even some sec. I was dizzy with success of the religion so I decided to make a move, first the librarian joined us and began filled everywhere with anti-lizard literature. Then we march down the hallway and saw a lizard in botany, we hopped over the counter and dragged him into the hallway, where he was stripped of his ID and fairly quickly (as far as I know) set free.
We did similar things in Medical, and Science. However when we got into science because a human reported a lot of lizards, and dropped his ID outside science for m. Then some "Dirty izzard fackin traitors" used golden slime to repel the shaven head assault on their department, which resulted in some serious death and injury not only among the human race warriors, but among scientists and people in the hallway. I think someone mentioned the captain or someone got knocked into crit by a pine tree.
After this, security was paying attention obviously because as we were regrouping in the Chapel, they showed up and said "Your coming with me!" to which I hid behind the Christmas tree whilst a battle ensued between security and the NTDL. I ran into the maint shaft where I saw a shaven headed NTDL being arrested, so I pushed over the sec guard, then the other person stunend him. I then cuffed him and thought we could take him hostage, but he went braindead so he was then stripped. After this it was kind of a low intensity conflict with Security, I think some people had hatchets and cut some people, as far as I saw nobody was killed by the NTDL, but I could be mistaken. I myself, as far as I remember only disarmed people, and handcuffed one person, but I may have got a single attack in at some point but I remember consciously thinking I shouldn't do that. I Thought it was over when Tommy Chav was arrested and brought to that cold back room and injected, turns out those syringes just have sleep toxin, so I came to and was discovered and brought to the escape shuttle. Then I heard a commotion and saw the shuttle was full of horrible monsters from Xeno then I saw "THIS IS WHAT YOU LIZARDS GET" in chat. This was not what I wanted, this was not what I intended.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I should begin by saying that I am banned from both Assistant and Chaplain for this series of events. Chaplain maybe, assistant is a bit of a weird choice. Anyhow, the way I see it, this was not a "Grey tide." We did not break into areas and just steal whatever we wanted, we act randomly. We targeted lizards, we had a religion, a uniform (shaven heads) and were spreading literature. This is far more developed than a grey tide, and in it exists an actual degree of character and roleplay. I remember actually reading in the OCC chat (maybe a little Icky in Ocky) "This round is awesome" a couple times. I remember seeing an organized group of lizards marching down the hallways for safety in number, I remember getting a message from collaborators within a department who also wanted to see the lizards out and gave us our in. This is not the character of a Greytide, but an actual roleplay developed by a chaplain who managed to gain zealous followers, which I presume should be the goal of a proselytizing chaplain.
That ALL being said. I don't understand why I got banned from both positions. In one case, it is saying I abused the position as the Chaplain, but in doing this you are admitting that do a degree the Chaplain has a special RP role to gain followers. Otherwise, why ban me from the position? I have stated above how the NTDL was a developed RP group of religious zealots, and that the Chaplain (me) managed to spread the word in a powerful way and gain these followers. Maybe this is Abuse of my ability to speak "what wiff beautiful werds," but it seems like Chaplains should strive to gain zealous followers, like any religion.
The Second Ban being assistant, with it is attached the idea that the NTDL was a greytide. It was not, as I mentioned above the character of a Greytide was lacking. This is coupled with the Chaplain ban that this was an action attached to me being the Chaplain with his role of gaining followers, which kind of takes out of question the possibility of being a grey tide.
To conclude, this is a One, the other, or a neither situation. I do admit that my actions caused problems, I don't think more than a lot of other random events that have occurred on the station, and I don't think enough to warrant that much of a punishment. But I think the racial antagonism on the station is not "greytiding" but the subject of actual contradiction among the crew that is okay to be focused on from time to time. But if I am to be punished, say I either abused my position as the Chaplain in doing what I did, or that I greytided. These two accusations are however, somewhat incompatible given the context.
If the admins think this whole punishment is a silly way to punish a character for creating fun conflict not randomly spawned, then by all means lift it. But I can accept responsibility if I was just being a shitler, and I will admit fault. However I feel like if both of these bans are in place there is a contradiction in the implied charges, and one or the other should be lifted.
Please and thankyou.