[Booktower] Istoprocent - Unjustified Note Appeal
Posted: Thu Sep 05, 2019 7:43 pm
BYOND account: Istoprocent
Character name: Krokodil
Type: Note
Note length: Permanent
Note reason: A confirmed ling escaped due to the mime helping them. A doctor and the CMO tried to stop Istoprocent, an officer, from gibbing the mime over this. The doctor was put in perma by Istoprocent as well. I consider this excessive, a timed sentence would have been more than sufficient. Not everyone opposing you is an antag or should be treated as such.
Time ban was placed: 2019-09-05 18:41:26 | Terry | Booktower
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 117894
Your side of the story:
I was playing a Security Officer. While patrolling the maintenance I came across Nitrogen IV (Unit2E). We have a quick exchange of dialogue and intents, where he performs minor magics A tentacle grabs you and throws you towards Nitrogen IV! and A grotesque blade forms around Nitrogen IV's arm!. Followed by Krokodil hisses, " I think you fucked up friend " and Nitrogen IV stammers, " Yeah-h, I ex-xp-p-pec-c-ct-te t-th-h-hat-t-t-t t-to w-wor-rk-k-k b-b-bet-t-tt-ter-r " . Nitrogen IV being a reasonably cool fellow agrees to help me out testing few things on him before his untimely demise or even potential release should he fully cooperate. We head to the medbay with him in cuffs and having his armblade and tentacle out, where a tider steals my family heirloom beret by Unknown throws the head of personnel's cap. You're hit by the head of personnel's cap!. Not a big deal although it is a round lasting debuff.
In the medbay DIO (the Mime) decide that the game is too boring for him and it would be nice to spice things up by griefing the security by Dio has pulled Nitrogen IV from Krokodil's grip. Dio grabs Nitrogen IV passively!, thus pulling away the guy with an armblade out. At this point it is clear that for whatever reason the mime decided to do that, they were clearly acting as an antag and thus eligible to be treated as an antag.
Rule 1: We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
Rule 4: Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
Rule 4 (Security Policy) The 'act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4. Make sure players deserve it when you treat them as an antag, when in doubt, err on the side of caution as poor behaviour on the part of security will not be tolerated.
The round goes on and I finally catch DIO in the maintenance. I beat him to crit as I had no cuffs and carry him to the brig. As I reach the brig Ryan Creamer (CMO) and Mathias Corvin (MD) show up, coming into the brig. They try to run next to me and I flee to the Security Gear Room. I tell them bluntly to Krokodil hisses, " Fuck off cmo " as they are not supposed to interfiere with the criminals being brigged. I was forced to use disabler to show that I mean it and eventually had to throw a flashbang as they persisted "trying to help a guy who helped a confirmed changeling to escape". They were aggressive and got AI involved in opening the doors leading to a missed shove attempt Mathias Corvin shoves Dio! , successful shove attempt Mathias Corvin shoves Krokodil, knocking them down! and You hug Mathias Corvin to make him feel better! Mathias Corvin grabs Dio passively! (note that I was not even on an aggressive intent, even while they were storming the brig). After that went down it lead to Ryan Creamer fires the syringe gun! You're hit by a syringe in the left arm! . I go down, CMO cuffs me, leaves me to brig and leaves with the mime and Mathias. CMO and Mathias stick together and every time I legitimately try to brig them the CMO starts shooting syringes at me. Eventually I catch Mathias and permabrig him for helping the mime escape and generally acting like an antag. As expected Mathias starts threatening me with OOC punishment for stopping him IC by saying things like Mathias Corvin says, " Reporting to gods ", Mathias Corvin says, " Fuck you ", Krokodil hisses, " Go for it. " and Mathias Corvin says, " Ghosted ". Shortly after Booktower hits me up, tells me that I have a bad reputation and I get noted.
They also:
Rule 4 (Security Policy) The 'act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4. Make sure players deserve it when you treat them as an antag, when in doubt, err on the side of caution as poor behaviour on the part of security will not be tolerated.
Do note that I arrested Mathias using non-lethal methods, harmbatoned few times in the perma for mouthing off and chose the least punishing sentence for their crime, even though they were eligible for execution under the server rules.
Why you think you should be unbanned: The note is unjustified as I did not step over any boundaries as a player and not appealing it may lead to harsher punishments in the future.
References of good conduct: My note history and anybody who is willing to vouch for me.
Character name: Krokodil
Type: Note
Note length: Permanent
Note reason: A confirmed ling escaped due to the mime helping them. A doctor and the CMO tried to stop Istoprocent, an officer, from gibbing the mime over this. The doctor was put in perma by Istoprocent as well. I consider this excessive, a timed sentence would have been more than sufficient. Not everyone opposing you is an antag or should be treated as such.
Time ban was placed: 2019-09-05 18:41:26 | Terry | Booktower
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 117894
Your side of the story:
I was playing a Security Officer. While patrolling the maintenance I came across Nitrogen IV (Unit2E). We have a quick exchange of dialogue and intents, where he performs minor magics A tentacle grabs you and throws you towards Nitrogen IV! and A grotesque blade forms around Nitrogen IV's arm!. Followed by Krokodil hisses, " I think you fucked up friend " and Nitrogen IV stammers, " Yeah-h, I ex-xp-p-pec-c-ct-te t-th-h-hat-t-t-t t-to w-wor-rk-k-k b-b-bet-t-tt-ter-r " . Nitrogen IV being a reasonably cool fellow agrees to help me out testing few things on him before his untimely demise or even potential release should he fully cooperate. We head to the medbay with him in cuffs and having his armblade and tentacle out, where a tider steals my family heirloom beret by Unknown throws the head of personnel's cap. You're hit by the head of personnel's cap!. Not a big deal although it is a round lasting debuff.
In the medbay DIO (the Mime) decide that the game is too boring for him and it would be nice to spice things up by griefing the security by Dio has pulled Nitrogen IV from Krokodil's grip. Dio grabs Nitrogen IV passively!, thus pulling away the guy with an armblade out. At this point it is clear that for whatever reason the mime decided to do that, they were clearly acting as an antag and thus eligible to be treated as an antag.
Rule 1: We're all here to have a good time, supposedly. Going out of your way to seriously negatively impact or end the round for someone with little IC justification is against the rules. Legitimate conflicts where people get upset do happen however, as detailed in the escalation section of the rules.
Rule 4: Short of metagaming/comms, bug/exploit abuse, erotic/creepy stuff, OOC in IC or IC in OOC, and spawn-camping arrivals. Team antagonists can do whatever they want as per lone antagonists, as long as it doesn’t harm their team. Non-antagonists can do whatever they want to antagonists as per lone antagonists, but non-antagonists are not allowed to pre-emptively search for, hinder or otherwise seek conflict with antagonists without reasonable prior cause. Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag.
Rule 4 (Security Policy) The 'act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4. Make sure players deserve it when you treat them as an antag, when in doubt, err on the side of caution as poor behaviour on the part of security will not be tolerated.
The round goes on and I finally catch DIO in the maintenance. I beat him to crit as I had no cuffs and carry him to the brig. As I reach the brig Ryan Creamer (CMO) and Mathias Corvin (MD) show up, coming into the brig. They try to run next to me and I flee to the Security Gear Room. I tell them bluntly to Krokodil hisses, " Fuck off cmo " as they are not supposed to interfiere with the criminals being brigged. I was forced to use disabler to show that I mean it and eventually had to throw a flashbang as they persisted "trying to help a guy who helped a confirmed changeling to escape". They were aggressive and got AI involved in opening the doors leading to a missed shove attempt Mathias Corvin shoves Dio! , successful shove attempt Mathias Corvin shoves Krokodil, knocking them down! and You hug Mathias Corvin to make him feel better! Mathias Corvin grabs Dio passively! (note that I was not even on an aggressive intent, even while they were storming the brig). After that went down it lead to Ryan Creamer fires the syringe gun! You're hit by a syringe in the left arm! . I go down, CMO cuffs me, leaves me to brig and leaves with the mime and Mathias. CMO and Mathias stick together and every time I legitimately try to brig them the CMO starts shooting syringes at me. Eventually I catch Mathias and permabrig him for helping the mime escape and generally acting like an antag. As expected Mathias starts threatening me with OOC punishment for stopping him IC by saying things like Mathias Corvin says, " Reporting to gods ", Mathias Corvin says, " Fuck you ", Krokodil hisses, " Go for it. " and Mathias Corvin says, " Ghosted ". Shortly after Booktower hits me up, tells me that I have a bad reputation and I get noted.
They also:
Rule 4 (Security Policy) The 'act like an antag, get treated like one' part of Rule 4 of the main rules also apply to security. Stunning an officer repeatedly, using lethal or restricted weapons on them, disrupting the arrests or sentences of dangerous criminals, or damaging the brig, are examples of behaviour that may make you valid for security under Rule 4. Make sure players deserve it when you treat them as an antag, when in doubt, err on the side of caution as poor behaviour on the part of security will not be tolerated.
Do note that I arrested Mathias using non-lethal methods, harmbatoned few times in the perma for mouthing off and chose the least punishing sentence for their crime, even though they were eligible for execution under the server rules.
Why you think you should be unbanned: The note is unjustified as I did not step over any boundaries as a player and not appealing it may lead to harsher punishments in the future.
References of good conduct: My note history and anybody who is willing to vouch for me.