[COIAX] CPTANT - note appeal, asimov killing non human for spacing human

[CPTANT]

BYOND account: CPTANT
Character name: Truck
Ban type: Note
Note: After someone complained a plasmaman was spacing them, the AI proceeded remove that player from the round, overruling their cyborg's wishes and judgement, and pushing for the execution. The spaced human in question was wearing a space suit, after a long standing scuffle with the plasmaman, and was not harmed in any significant capacity. They had other methods of containing a potentially harmful non-human, but went for the maximum punishment of an execution in security. Don't be a dick.
Time note was placed: 2019-09-07 12:22:34
Server you were playing on when noted: Terry

Your side of the story:

>Be AI
>[Common] Nicole Hawkins (Station Engineer) yells, "URANIUM JUST SPACED ME!!"
> Try to track Nicole, nothing
>tell borgs to kill the plasmaman for killing Nicole
>Coiax gets pissed for Asimov killing a non human that murdered a human

Why the note should be removed:

I am not psychic and nothing indicated That Nicole was in wearing a suit, in fact I have no idea why she would even scream she got spaced if she was. Also No borgs "objected" to killing them, they just asked for confirmation to do it. Come to think of it I didn't even state they had to be executed, just that they had the full authority to make sure Uranium didn't harm again.

I followed asimov laws. Non humans are not protected and a non human spacing a human that then disappears is ample justification to dispose of them.

I feel Coiax just doesn't like the fact that asimov doesn't protect non humans. If non humans are given the same protection as humans the entire lawset is pointless.

logs of binary channel:

Spoiler:

[2019-09-07 11:50:30.017] SAY: 11:50:30.017] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "uranium is harm" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:36.762] SAY: 11:50:36.762] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I demolish him?" (Command Hallway (106, 123, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:38.716] SAY: 11:50:38.716] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Where is he?" (Command Hallway (106, 123, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:40.805] SAY: 11:50:40.805] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "atmos" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:31.115] SAY: 11:51:31.115] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "GET HIM" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:32.251] SAY: 11:51:32.251] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "well shit. I flashed my self." (Engineering Foyer (162, 136, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:56.267] SAY: 11:51:56.267] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Can't flash him" (Engineering Foyer (161, 138, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:59.512] SAY: 11:51:59.512] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I just kill him?" (Engineering Foyer (161, 138, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:40.138] SAY: 11:52:40.138] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Okay, I took him to brig" (Brig (106, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:58.969] SAY: 11:52:58.969] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "I dont care" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:59.018] SAY: 11:52:59.018] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "what now?" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:01.433] SAY: 11:53:01.433] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "hes not human" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:06.468] SAY: 11:53:06.468] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Um" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:10.299] SAY: 11:53:10.299] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I just leave him here..?" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:21.305] SAY: 11:53:21.305] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "whatever it takes to not make him harm any more" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:48.035] SAY: 11:53:48.035] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "are you sure?" (Brig (97, 178, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:56.407] SAY: 11:53:56.407] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "yes he spaced someone" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:05.758] SAY: 11:54:05.758] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "100% sure to execute? Say yes and I will ask no more." (Prison Wing (91, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:19.434] SAY: 11:54:19.434] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "he is a non human that harmed a human" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:28.671] SAY: 11:54:28.671] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "okay." (Prison Wing (91, 181, 2))

[Arianya]

Please use the format.

[CPTANT]

Please use the format.

There isn't a standardized format for notes.

[Arianya]

You use the same template everyone else does. https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44

[CPTANT]

You use the same template everyone else does. https://tgstation13.org/phpBB/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=44

Done.

[TheMythicGhost]

Since Bobbah hasn't posted it already.

The note against CPTANT (Truck) was placed in round 118025 on Terry, time is listed in the OP without a timezone marked. Relevant logfiles are as follows: src, statbus, scrubby.

[coiax]

Is your appeal on this note because "[this] note is factually or materially incorrect", or "[that] the note's contents or existence is unjustifiably harsh to the player's standing in the eyes of admins reading the notes"?

[Arathian]

He disputes the facts of the event so it should be "[this] note is factually or materially incorrect"

[CPTANT]

Is your appeal on this note because "[this] note is factually or materially incorrect", or "[that] the note's contents or existence is unjustifiably harsh to the player's standing in the eyes of admins reading the notes"?

Both. It is factually incorrect because I did not overrule any cyborg wishes and me giving permission for the execution is not "pushing for the execution", I said he could do whatever it takes to not make him harm more.

It is ujustifiable because

this: "The spaced human in question was wearing a space suit, after a long standing scuffle with the plasmaman, and was not harmed in any significant capacity." is not information that was available, Nicole screamed she was spaced an then could not be found on camera, leading to the conclusion she was dead in space.

And because noting an AI for killing murdering non humans is just stupid.

[coiax]

Adminhelps with relevant parties, along with relevant asay.

[2019-09-07 11:55:08.155] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #2: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX): this borg arrested me and removed my items as a plasmaman
[2019-09-07 11:55:25.049] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->Thebleh/(Uranium LXX): I'll look into it.
[2019-09-07 11:55:43.210] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Hi, got a second?
[2019-09-07 11:55:51.385] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): sure
[2019-09-07 11:56:12.578] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): You ordered your borg to execute Uranium LXX, a plasmaman.
[2019-09-07 11:56:23.099] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): non human that spaced a human
[2019-09-07 11:56:38.982] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Do you know who they spaced, and when they spaced them?
[2019-09-07 11:56:44.489] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): [Common] Nicole Hawkins (Station Engineer) yells, "URANIUM JUST SPACED ME!!"
[2019-09-07 11:57:02.303] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins): Hi, got a second?
[2019-09-07 11:57:09.081] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): hi
[2019-09-07 11:57:18.693] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): I don't, you see I don't, but go on..
[2019-09-07 11:57:20.644] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins): Were you spaced by anyone, earlier in the round?
[2019-09-07 11:57:26.420] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): yes, the plasmaman
[2019-09-07 11:57:39.840] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins): Do you know why he spaced you, was there any interaction?
[2019-09-07 11:57:40.207] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): he threw me down disposals in the generator room and that leads into space
[2019-09-07 11:57:54.142] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): I went in to take the axe, he went apeshit about it and spaced me after a long chase
[2019-09-07 11:58:08.889] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): to clarify, it was me chasing him because he stole thje axe
[2019-09-07 11:58:30.785] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins): Thanks for your time.
[2019-09-07 11:58:50.140] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->Thebleh/(Uranium LXX): It looks like you spaced Nicole earlier in the round, is that correct?
[2019-09-07 11:59:17.607] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): i disposaled her. It's not the first time she tries to steal the axe round start
[2019-09-07 11:59:44.324] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->Thebleh/(Uranium LXX): You disposaled her in a chute that led to space.
[2019-09-07 12:00:16.210] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): the incinerator one leads to space? i honestly didnt realize that.#She had a hardsuit on though. Also stolen from the CE.
[2019-09-07 12:00:42.416] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "The plot thikens!" (Brig (99, 174, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:00:51.833] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins): How did you survive being spaced? It's a decent trip to the nearest airlock.
[2019-09-07 12:01:05.709] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): I had a suit on, but no internals and no mask/tank ready
[2019-09-07 12:01:18.701] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): I took damage but was able to recover in time
[2019-09-07 12:01:57.763] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Do you know what happened to Nicole after she said that?
[2019-09-07 12:02:15.642] ADMIN: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) checked the individual player panel for Sniffy_Boi/(Valerio Bubbone).
[2019-09-07 12:02:27.179] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): I tried to track here but couldn't, I just saw she is still on the station
[2019-09-07 12:03:40.523] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Do you think removing someone from the round is an appropriate reaction for a law 1 violation?
[2019-09-07 12:03:53.412] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): If its murder, yes
[2019-09-07 12:04:30.237] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "I would be specific, do you think spacing someone wearing a spacesuit warrents removing them from the round" (Starboard Bow Maintenance (176, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:04:45.906] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Do you think spacing someone wearing a spacesuit warrants removing them from the round?
[2019-09-07 12:05:15.580] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): That is not information in my possession, in fact why would someone scream he got spaced while wearing a suit.
[2019-09-07 12:05:20.254] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "If he didnt KNOW they had one then yeah the AI is allowed to remove murderous non humans" (Space (116, 184, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:06:18.683] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Might be a good time to remind them that there are more options in an AI's arsenel than murder though " (Space (116, 184, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:06:34.353] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Do you think there were other less drastic solutions?
[2019-09-07 12:07:06.861] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Especially given you admit that you didn't have the whole picture, with the only evidence someone shouting they were being spaced while not being on camera?
[2019-09-07 12:07:11.228] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Oh this is brilliant, your just doing everything I say... Hmm.... Ban all the security players on grounds of rule 0" (Space (117, 184, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:07:21.476] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "actually you're just saying what I'm already thinking" (Aft Primary Hallway (106, 109, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:07:23.849] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "honest" (Aft Primary Hallway (106, 109, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:07:30.326] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Excellent" (Space (146, 187, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:07:42.042] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Toggle purrbation" (Space (164, 192, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:07:45.369] ADMIN: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) checked the individual player panel for CPTANT/(Truck).
[2019-09-07 12:07:56.338] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): Hes not human, when a non human kills a human he faces the consequences. Asimov is as much a friend to non humans as a 1 human AI is to non humans
[2019-09-07 12:08:27.947] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Ohhh I wanna stomp this AI...." (Space (164, 204, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:08:40.171] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): And yet you could have put him in the brig, perma, tied him up, locked him in the showroom and announced that everyone should come and tell him how bad he is.
[2019-09-07 12:09:03.747] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): Perma is the same as round removal. I followed my laws
[2019-09-07 12:09:10.935] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "He didnt murder anyone and the human instigated a non lethal conflict, so in future how about you dont resort to murdering people just because its technically okay " (Space (73, 184, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:09:32.266] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Booktower) "Hi Coiax!" (start area (8, 174, 1))
[2019-09-07 12:09:34.947] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Booktower) "Nice to see you" (start area (8, 174, 1))
[2019-09-07 12:09:35.429] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "yo" (Atmospherics (167, 126, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:10:02.958] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "their notes are clean" (Atmospherics (167, 126, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:10:12.666] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "so I'm going to give them a warning" (Garden (140, 155, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:10:19.233] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Which one" (Gravity Generator Room (165, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:10:22.942] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "the AI" (Space (183, 150, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:10:45.832] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "the AI's notes are clean" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:12:01.410] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus)->Thebleh/(Uranium LXX): Yeah, I just checked and there's a disposal outlet right next to the turbine outlet, connected to the disposals bin in the incinerator. Surprised me as well, and I've also used and modified the incinerator aplenty!
[2019-09-07 12:12:57.741] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Wait, did the borg kill Uranium?" (Secondary Starboard Maintenance (148, 101, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:13:05.946] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "only because the AI told them to" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:13:14.494] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "the borg asked multiple times if that is what the AI wanted" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:13:32.324] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "and stated that they would have prefered not to" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:14:32.037] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry)->CPTANT/(Truck): Being put in perma is not the same as round removal, and just because you /CAN/ kill a non-human because they harm a human doesn't mean you have to, or really should.
[2019-09-07 12:14:37.936] ADMIN: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) checked the individual player panel for CPTANT/(Truck).
[2019-09-07 12:15:17.151] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Fine by me" (Medbay Aft (86, 81, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:15:20.808] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "The AIs actions" (Medbay Aft (86, 83, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:15:26.202] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): You just don't like asimov.##Following the laws is not something that warrants a warning. If non humans get the same protection as humans the entire lawset is pointless
[2019-09-07 12:15:26.778] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "After seeing that they assumed murder" (Medbay Aft (90, 83, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:15:36.307] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Incomplete information is part of the games nature" (Chemistry (105, 106, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:01.725] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "The AI is technically fine by the letter of the server laws " (Space (202, 125, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:01.868] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "their only evidence was a single radio message" (Brig (115, 161, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:16.421] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "and they overruled their borg's wishes and judgement" (Prison Wing (97, 185, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:19.411] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "OTOH it's murder for what was at the very least unsucceful murder" (Engineering (160, 141, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:23.282] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Fair then" (Theatre (145, 128, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:30.665] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "dunk em" (Starboard Maintenance (154, 114, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:39.147] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "dick move" (Space (160, 94, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:40.526] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Its my take as an admin that I wouldn't reprimand them because its not a solid on our sign, you can however converse and steer them in a less dickish direction in future " (Starboard Quarter Solar Maintenance (141, 74, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:41.851] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Ivan, rule 1" (Space (160, 94, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:49.847] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Fuck sillycon policy" (Research Testing Range (139, 94, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:51.394] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "I'm noting them" (Atmospherics (166, 131, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:59.608] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "And fuck validhunting silicons in particular" (Space (172, 90, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:17:03.001] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "I think they were excessively dickish" (Space (194, 162, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:17:32.415] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Aight son fair enough, make sure your note reson is specific and it should be golden" (Departure Lounge (100, 74, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:17:34.925] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: CPTANT/(Truck)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): So cultists are non human now, but I can't harm them?
[2019-09-07 12:17:49.042] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "look, hes literally taking exactly the wrong message" (Space (194, 162, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:18:51.620] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "After someone complained a plasmaman was spacing them, the AI proceeded remove that player from the round, overruling their cyborg's wishes and judgement, and pushing for the execution." (Space (195, 159, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:18:55.446] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "I am agreed 100% he is a cuntwaffle " (Morgue (100, 87, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:02.245] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "The spaced human in question was wearing a space suit, after a long standing scuffle with the plasmaman, and was not harmed in any significant capacity." (Space (195, 159, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:08.575] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "They had other methods of containing a potentially harmful non-human, apart from going for an execution in security." (Space (195, 159, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:12.464] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "that's my note so far" (Space (195, 159, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:18.741] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Ivanissaccs/(Scratches-The-Back) "Good stuff " (Morgue (100, 87, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:26.098] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "Mind if I chime in with my personal opinion?" (Space (200, 65, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:37.255] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "that's what the admin review process is for" (Space (195, 159, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:43.385] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "also, aren't we like, admin buddies" (Space (204, 150, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:19:53.567] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Booktower/(Kaylie Dryfus) "fair" (Space (200, 65, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:20:38.472] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "um, are you gonna give me that opinion" (AI Satellite Exterior (215, 149, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:20:40.039] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "or no" (AI Satellite Exterior (215, 149, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:20:43.214] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "oh, they're gone" (AI Chamber (213, 147, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:20:44.352] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "rip" (AI Chamber (213, 147, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:22:42.627] ADMINPRIVATE: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) has created a note for CPTANT: After someone complained a plasmaman was spacing them, the AI proceeded remove that player from the round, overruling their cyborg\'s wishes and judgement, and pushing for the execution.\n\nThe spaced human in question was wearing a space suit, after a long standing scuffle with the plasmaman, and was not harmed in any significant capacity.\n\nThey had other methods of containing a potentially harmful non-human, but went for the maximum punishment of an execution in security.\n\nDon\'t be a dick.
[2019-09-07 12:25:18.892] OOC: CPTANT/(Truck) "Coiax doesn't like asimov" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))

[coiax]

Uranium LXX, Nicole Hawkins, Truck, Boop.
Speech and binary chat.

[2019-09-07 11:46:51.705] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "hey" (Atmospherics (163, 119, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:47:13.332] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "you're gonna need a lot more than a moment" (Atmospherics (163, 119, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:47:24.764] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "do you know anything about pipes?" (Atmospherics (163, 119, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:06.549] OOC: CPTANT/(Truck) "Goof traded gave away code features for votes" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:08.544] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "plasmaman" (Engineering Foyer (164, 135, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:12.001] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "can you stop butting in" (Engineering Foyer (164, 135, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:17.357] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "literally" (Atmospherics (164, 131, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:20.676] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "can you not steal?" (Atmospherics (168, 118, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:21.116] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "do your fucking job" (Atmospherics (164, 131, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:23.708] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "literally?" (Atmospherics (168, 118, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:25.646] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "i'm not stealing" (Atmospherics (164, 127, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:27.572] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "I got permission" (Atmospherics (164, 127, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:42.063] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "BRO" (Incinerator (155, 111, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:43.669] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "I HAVE PERMISSION" (Incinerator (155, 111, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:43.779] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "get out" (Incinerator (154, 108, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:44.998] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "JUST LET IT GO" (Incinerator (155, 111, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:48:55.826] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "SEC TO GENERATOR" (Incinerator (155, 111, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:49:22.030] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "URANIUM LXX JUST SPACED ME!!!" (Space (153, 94, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:49:23.247] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (priority announcement) "How about you actually secure the disk, meatbags?" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:49:28.270] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "SEC TO ATMOS!!!" (Space (160, 94, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:49:33.842] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) "RD get the disk" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:49:47.089] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "Nicole is" (Atmospherics (163, 114, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:49:49.125] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "retarded" (Atmospherics (163, 114, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:05.362] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "URANIUM JUST SPACED ME!!" (Space (173, 108, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:23.775] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "Why the fuck does Nicole have atmos access?" (Atmospherics (165, 114, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:30.017] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "uranium is harm" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:36.762] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I demolish him?" (Command Hallway (106, 123, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:38.716] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Where is he?" (Command Hallway (106, 123, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:50:40.805] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "atmos" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:06.151] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "STOP HIM" (Engineering Foyer (160, 136, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:20.242] SAY: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins) "ARREST URANIUM!!!" (Atmospherics (171, 115, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:31.115] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "GET HIM" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:32.251] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "well shit. I flashed my self." (Engineering Foyer (162, 136, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:32.735] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "hey detective" (Engineering Foyer (157, 137, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:56.267] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Can't flash him" (Engineering Foyer (161, 138, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:51:59.512] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I just kill him?" (Engineering Foyer (161, 138, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:16.372] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "that engineer" (Starboard Primary Hallway (128, 139, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:25.121] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "is trying to steal the axe" (Starboard Primary Hallway (129, 139, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:34.262] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "borg" (Fore Primary Hallway (108, 159, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:40.138] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Okay, I took him to brig" (Brig (106, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:43.611] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "do you have nothing better to do?" (Brig (107, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:47.343] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "Ai told me to" (Brig (106, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:51.971] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "and I do, actually" (Brig (103, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:52.306] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "let me go" (Brig (104, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:56.176] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "Waiting for AI" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:58.732] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "Im trying to protect atmos" (Brig (104, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:58.969] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "I dont care" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:52:59.018] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "what now?" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:01.433] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "hes not human" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:06.468] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Um" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:10.299] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I just leave him here..?" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:11.653] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "Nicole is trying to steal the axe" (Brig (104, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:20.362] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "The axe is long gone, it's swapped hands multiple times" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:21.305] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "whatever it takes to not make him harm any more" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:21.625] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "what do you think she will do with it?" (Brig (104, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:25.975] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "human harm" (Brig (104, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:30.596] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "The AI is asking me to find a permanent solution" (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:31.378] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "so you failed in your law 1" (Brig (104, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:34.289] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "to stop you from harm." (Brig (105, 167, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:36.043] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "good job" (Brig (104, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:38.163] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "axes are not human ahrm" (Brig (103, 166, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:46.841] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "i didnt hit anyone" (Brig (97, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:48.035] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "are you sure?" (Brig (97, 178, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:50.604] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "now let me go" (Brig (97, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:54.917] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "I can not defy my master's" (Brig (97, 178, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:56.407] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "yes he spaced someone" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:53:57.166] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "orders" (Prison Wing (96, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:05.758] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "100% sure to execute? Say yes and I will ask no more." (Prison Wing (91, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:19.434] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "he is a non human that harmed a human" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:28.671] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "okay." (Prison Wing (91, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:44.476] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) gasps! (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:45.331] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "as he is a plasmeme" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:45.695] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) "youre killing me" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:46.548] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) gasps! (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:48.219] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "I removed his stuff" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:50.877] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) gasps! (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:51.076] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "AI told me to kill you" (Prison Wing (85, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:52.896] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) gasps! (Prison Wing (87, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:55.995] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "engine sabotage in process" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:58.068] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "It is not what I wanted." (Prison Wing (87, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:54:59.724] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "at least" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:00.792] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) (binary) "Do I go?" (Prison Wing (87, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:01.245] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) gasps! (Prison Wing (87, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:02.440] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "I dont know" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:03.611] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "Sorry." (Prison Wing (87, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:07.546] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "what they are building" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:15.898] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) gasps! (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:18.753] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "its not sabotaged per se" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:19.952] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "AI told me to" (Brig (97, 178, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:20.611] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "Not me" (Brig (97, 178, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:22.150] EMOTE: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:22.333] SAY: CPTANT/(Truck) (binary) "just very weird" (AI Chamber (214, 143, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:25.074] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) (DEAD) "ok" (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:27.263] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "I do not like it being this way" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:31.017] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) (DEAD) "next person that steal the axe" (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:32.337] SAY: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) (DEAD) "dies" (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:34.668] GAME: *no key*/(Uranium LXX) *no key*/(Uranium LXX) is no longer owning mob Uranium LXX(/mob/living/carbon/human) (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:34.668] ACCESS: Mob Login: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2019-09-07 11:55:34.682] GAME: Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) Client Thebleh/(Uranium LXX) has taken ownership of mob Uranium LXX(/mob/dead/observer) (Prison Wing (99, 181, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:36.386] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "Oh" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:37.247] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "fuck" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:37.817] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "oh" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:38.236] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "shit" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:41.243] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "I could have just locked him up" (Brig (98, 177, 2))

[coiax]

I think my note accurately describes the background of what happened in the round.

You were a dick, and executed someone when you didn't have to. The "victim" was complaining on the radio for minutes afterwards, so it was disproportionate.

There were many methods of preventing harm to humans that were also ASIMOV compliant, which you did not take.

Your borg was not happy about executing Uranium, but did it anyway.

[CPTANT]

You were a dick, and executed someone when you didn't have to. The "victim" was complaining on the radio for minutes afterwards, so it was disproportionate.

I did not see this. I tried to track her down and failed to do so and this was followed by a hectic chase of uranium who was running around with an axe and several members of security and crew trying to subdue him. Also surviving a spacing would still make it attempted murder.

edit: She actually has only 2 lines of text in the relevant timeframe and both were immediately after saying she got spaced and scream about arresting Uranium.

[2019-09-07 12:01:05.709] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: AbedRaven/(Nicole Hawkins)->Coiax/(Braxton Cherry): I had a suit on, but no internals and no mask/tank ready

Nice leaving this bit of context out by the way, which makes it clear that Nicole did in fact nearly die.

[2019-09-07 12:13:32.324] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "and stated that they would have prefered not to" (AI Chamber (214, 144, 2))
[2019-09-07 12:16:16.421] ADMINPRIVATE: ASAY: Coiax/(Braxton Cherry) "and they overruled their borg's wishes and judgement" (Prison Wing (97, 185, 2))

Objectively untrue from the logs. Where does the borg ever voice his opposition to killing the non human? In fact why did he choose the execution chamber in the first place if he opposed such an action? I told him I don't care and to to take whatever action was needed to prevent Uranium from performing harm again. I gave the borg complete freedom to do whatever it wanted and just sanctioned the action it took.

I mean the borg even says it himself:

2019-09-07 11:55:36.386] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "Oh" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:37.247] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "fuck" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:37.817] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "oh" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:38.236] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "shit" (Brig (98, 177, 2))
[2019-09-07 11:55:41.243] SAY: Demdisco/(Boop) "I could have just locked him up" (Brig (98, 177, 2))

[CPTANT]

Could someone resolve this plase?

[Arianya]

I left this one a little longer since the headmin swap over happened in the middle of this month but since the banning admin has denied it and the new headmins don't appear to want to overrule, resolved.