Ok so first off I apologize for putting the wrong round number. I went off what BYOND was telling me.
https://gyazo.com/1509d21d6544d474cd813a421f229000In the shoving altercation you missed the part where QM said [2019-10-06 01:24:59.571] SAY: Capslock3284/(Dances-On-Graves) "Get this fucker out of my cargo bay." (Cargo Bay (70, 153, 2)) which caused ALL cargonians who were standing around to rush me. The closest one shoved me. I then got out my gun set to DISABLER. And fired at them while backing up and fleeing. I immediately left at this point. The altercation was not by one person. Logs can only show so much sadly. They resorted to force first.
I showed up to resolve this situation. I didn't want any violence. They took it that path. Captain was the instigator of this problem. I did not trust their judgement. Meaning by chain of command the decisions a captain would make I took upon myself. All I wanted was the station to not have a civil war.
[2019-10-06 01:40:31.024] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "Keeping this station together and whole means everything to me" (Captain's Quarters (118, 132, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:41:09.399] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "what will it take to bring you cargonia lads home/" (Bridge (104, 130, 2))
TCOMMS: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) [Security] (spans: command_headset ) "But we need them to come back and act right. Centcomm will be pissed if we split in a civil war again" (language: Galactic Common) (Captain's Quarters (120, 135, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:39:52.989]
[2019-10-06 01:26:47.805] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "It seems cargo would like some summer camp fun. To take the stress away. All cargonians please report to the brig" (AI Upload Access (99, 147, 2)) This quote is clearly a joke, they obviously werent going to show up.
When negotiations didnt work of course I would go the route of the AI. I turned their power off so they couldn't buy weapons anymore. (Too late). I figured without power they couldnt do anything, and would just stop their revolution. I didnt have the Ai drain their air. Bolt them in. Electrify their doors. I just had the power go out for a little while.
So first off just to clarify the bit where I told them to listen to me happened on the mining base. Not cargo. So just because damage wasn't done to me doesn't mean they didn't initiate lethal force. They fired lethal weapons at me. They missed with their aim. I slipped past, and one of them stunned me and then the mime dragged me away. Instead of focusing me they chased down a security officer. Who also made it away. TCOMMS: Maskenary/(Reider Lelantos) [Security] (spans: ) "I WAS ALMOST SHOT TO DEATH" (language: Galactic Common) (Mining Shuttle (59, 162, 2)) [2019-10-06 01:37:03.489] I again went there in good faith to try to resolve everything peacefully to be shot at. Without words exchanged first.
What was my first word on lavaland? [2019-10-06 01:35:38.277] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "Hello" (Mining Station Port Wing (47, 27, 5)). Moments before they whipped guns out without a word.
At this point I went back and asked centcomm what to do. They told me to try to strand cargo on lavaland. I told security to get on it. We were too slow and cargonians escaped.
Hey, way to miss every bit of time I asked security for their help. But that is besides the point. Of course I didnt go to security right away. I wanted it resolved PEACEFULLY.
TCOMMS: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) [Security] (spans: command_headset ) "Cargonia in full revolt due to captains shortsided orders" (language: Galactic Common) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 132, 2)) (In security)
TCOMMS: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) [Command] (spans: command_headset ) "HOS to Hop office please." (language: Galactic Common) (Head of Personnel's Office (97, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:31:49.075]
TCOMMS: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) [Security] (spans: command_headset ) "Alright sec. centcomm has branded cargo traitors. They want us to strand them in lavaland" (language: Galactic Common) (Brig (111, 163, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:44:10.588]
TCOMMS: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) [Security] (spans: command_headset ) "Destroy all shuttles" (language: Galactic Common) (Brig (94, 173, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:44:35.445]
Now please note after the centcomm communication I did shift from negotiator to more of an aggressor. Centcomm told me to strand them and they would bombard them or something like that (I cant find centcomm logs) So at this point I was treating them like traitors and revs. (I mean they literally fired weapons on me too) . AH but I STILL didnt authorize lethals on them. Nor would I use lethals.
TCOMMS: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) [Common] (spans: command_headset ) "Crew you are authorized to detain any and all cargonians you see" (language: Galactic Common) (Captain's Quarters (120, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:53:22.973]
You make the assertion that Emily cook was not apart of the revolution. These are messages in general and supply chat emily put in that I was aware of. One of which was a flat out lie, AGAINST ME.
TCOMMS: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) [Supply] (spans: ) "Cargonia" (language: Galactic Common) (Cargo Bay (72, 146, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:18:03.252]
TCOMMS: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) [Supply] (spans: ) "CARGONIA" (language: Galactic Common) (Cargo Bay (72, 154, 2))
TCOMMS: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) [Supply] (spans: ) "WE ARE UDNER ATTACK BY HOP" (language: Galactic Common) (Cargo Bay (72, 154, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:25:32.684]
But farther, you can see that she really was just as much a part of the revolution as any of the others.
[2019-10-06 01:15:33.738] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "for cargonia" (Cargo Bay (72, 144, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:25:10.605] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "caargonia" (Cargo Bay (72, 151, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:25:27.912] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "CARGONIA" (Cargo Bay (72, 154, 2))
Making up lies about me. [2019-10-06 01:27:25.996] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "HoP was trying to kidnap one of us" (Cargo Bay (71, 145, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:27:30.112] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "we need to stop him" (Cargo Bay (71, 145, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:27:49.443] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "and we are getting guns" (Cargo Bay (71, 145, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:35:44.107] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "we will get guns" (Cargo Bay (71, 154, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:35:45.965] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "and free them" (Cargo Bay (71, 154, 2)) ________ Proof they were actively participating in the revolution.
[2019-10-06 01:43:29.985] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "and to ensure cargonias interests" (Cargo Bay (69, 153, 2))
I could go on. But I think I have made my point.
So yes. I find a cargo tech sitting alone in a bar. Where they say this to the bartender: [2019-10-06 01:47:46.955] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "if we face tyranny, can cargo rely on you?" (Bar (130, 128, 2)) Anyway after a minute of deciding what I want to do I move in on the chance to find the cargo leader. As I said by this point I am treating them all like traitors. But I did not outright murder this person. I cuff em and take em to caps office. where the following exchange happens.
[2019-10-06 01:49:55.556] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "So" (Captain's Quarters (119, 132, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:49:59.737] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "Where is your leader hiding?" (Captain's Quarters (119, 132, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:50:03.465] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "i am not a rev" (Captain's Quarters (118, 130, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:50:09.749] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "i asked for an implant and security kicked me out" (Captain's Quarters (118, 130, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:50:59.656] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "You guys shot at me" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:03.946] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "When I came to negotiate" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:04.099] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "i did not" (Captain's Quarters (118, 130, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:08.677] ATTACK: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) has punched WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) (NEWHP: 75.7) (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:11.829] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "Where is your leader!!" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:30.715] ATTACK: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) has punched WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) (NEWHP: 67.6) (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:32.157] ATTACK: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) has punched WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) (NEWHP: 64.6) (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:36.714] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "WHERE IS YOUR LEADER" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:47.415] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "even if i knew" (Captain's Quarters (118, 130, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:51:49.286] SAY: WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) "i wouldnt tell you" (Captain's Quarters (118, 130, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:52:08.783] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "tell me now" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:52:10.764] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "Before you die" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:52:24.434] SAY: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) "Goodbye emily" (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:52:38.357] ATTACK: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) has fired at WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) with the laser from Captain's Quarters (NEWHP: 64.6) (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
[2019-10-06 01:52:38.358] ATTACK: CataChaos/(Thes Pian) has shot WuggyMcWuggy/(Emily Cook) with the laser (NEWHP: 64.6) (Captain's Quarters (118, 131, 2))
So yea I killed them. They werent exactly cooperating. In my eyes they were all traitors, and I just witnessed them asking the bartender if they stood with them. However Look at me telling them to "tell me now". That is when I put my gun in their mouth. It gives them a message in chat that tells them I do that. Something like Thes Pian puts a gun to your head or something. I did that twice. They still didnt reply. So I said goodbye and let the timer go off.
I stand by my feelings that I was acting captain as the old captain was incompetent and dangerous and in the case that we dont have a captain command passes to me. The head of personnel . I thank you for pointing out the rule nonetheless.
TLDR: The whole of cargonia was in revolt. As you can see from the logs I was right to fear all of them even from what I had seen personally. They were valid, they had guns. I had been fired upon. Furthermore, I made every effort to resolve things peacefully. The HOS and Cap made the mess together and I didnt trust their judgement. (It was mainly cap but HOS was complicit I believe) So I took the role of command up, which I was well within my right to do IC considering. So if you believe I needed caps permission for the "execution" well I was acting cap. Centcomm insinuated that it was fine to treat them as traitors with the "maroon them in lavaland and we will nuke them bit".
From my point of view everything I did was correct and in character. When we get down to the brass tacks this is all an in character problem. I broke no rules. I should not have been banned for it. You act like me trying to resolve it was neigh on breaking the rules. I didnt rush in there and immediately light the place up. I went in there to talk. From what I saw the station was going to shit, and I tried to step up and fix it. It isn't "shoe-horning where I dont belong". I was the gorydamn Hop, taking on command duties because the captain was incompetent. I was RPING. Not murder boning, not even being annoying. I have no idea why you are so condescending. Even IF I wasnt taking up the command role, HEAD OF PERSONNEL IS LITERALLY THE BOSS OF CARGO. Sorry for my formatting issues and general all over the place ness. It has been a late night.