[<Dr. Aura>] <CataChaos> - Unfair ban
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2019 2:54 am
CataChaos <BYOND account>
Thes Pian <Character name at time of ban>
Banned from the server for a day, command roles for a week
1440 minutes from server, 10080 from command roles. <Permanent, 5 days, etc>
Ban reason: As a non-antag HoP, executed a cargo tech for presumed association with a Cargo-lead mutiny who was not involved with it, did so without Captain or HoS approval. Command roles are not a free pass to kill people.
2019-10-6 2:33:12
Sybil
120802
Captain decides to start gulaging lizard and feline players. I go along with it at first, and follow orders and help round people up. Security was in on it at first to. It seemed like a joke. Captain called it summer camp. Captain keeps it up though to the point it isn't a joke. So I go and ask centcomm what to do. They say "The situation isnt ideal, but they will make the gulag less gulagy." Fine whatever. Situation continues and cargo splits from the station in a revolution. I try to negotiate. They use force against me. I try several more times to negotiate. They fire on me with lethals. So I leave. Ask centcomm what to do. They tell me to try to maroon them on lavaland. I tell security to get started, but cargo somehow finds out and leaves. I find a cargonian in bar. I detain them and take them to a secluded location. I tell them to tell me where their leader is. The refuse. Several times. I threaten them with death. They refuse again. So I kill them. They had already fired on me with lethals. Multiple of them in lavaland. Besides that they were in revolution. The admin says that this one was not involved. But how was I supposed to know that? I was fired on by 5-6 cargonians, and they were actively talking about the revolution on comms. The guy also acted like a rev. I asked him where the rev leader was and he told me he wouldn't tell me. He never made any claim to not be apart of it. To reiterate cargo used lethal force on me, and refused to negotiate. To that end, I treated them like traitors because that is what they were.
My ban was unfair. There was proper escalation and a real cargo revolution. There was proper rp and escalation all around. The admin is trying to say I should have got HOS or Captain permission, but the captain and hos were being dumbasses. They were not in the equation whatsoever. Captain died gulaging people, and HOS as far as I know was dead as well. With captain being unfit for duty with his obvious real life brain trauma I was next in command. Regardless of that though, I can find nothing in the rules where I had to get their permission to kill someone at all in the first place. But besides that "Command roles are not a free pass to kill people." doesnt make any sense either. I wasn't walking around indiscriminately murdering, or even murdering for no reason. I killed a total of one people, and I had a reason. When I was conversing with the admin it felt like they had a personal grudge against me, like they were actively trying to get me banned. They tried to deny their was even a revolution at first, and tried to make it seem like I was lying. Then they were like "Good news for you there was a revolution". Didnt say anything about my reasoning about HOS and Captain being incompetent, and then tried to find another reason to punish me (I fired a disabler at someone or something and they asked me about that.) Their tone just felt off. My ban was for 1 day. It honestly isnt even worth fighting, but it is extremely unfair. I have been playing on TG for like 6 months, I have several hundred hours on your severs. I have always taken punishment for being a retard when it is due, and learned from my mistakes. It isn't due now.
Thes Pian <Character name at time of ban>
Banned from the server for a day, command roles for a week
1440 minutes from server, 10080 from command roles. <Permanent, 5 days, etc>
Ban reason: As a non-antag HoP, executed a cargo tech for presumed association with a Cargo-lead mutiny who was not involved with it, did so without Captain or HoS approval. Command roles are not a free pass to kill people.
2019-10-6 2:33:12
Sybil
120802
Captain decides to start gulaging lizard and feline players. I go along with it at first, and follow orders and help round people up. Security was in on it at first to. It seemed like a joke. Captain called it summer camp. Captain keeps it up though to the point it isn't a joke. So I go and ask centcomm what to do. They say "The situation isnt ideal, but they will make the gulag less gulagy." Fine whatever. Situation continues and cargo splits from the station in a revolution. I try to negotiate. They use force against me. I try several more times to negotiate. They fire on me with lethals. So I leave. Ask centcomm what to do. They tell me to try to maroon them on lavaland. I tell security to get started, but cargo somehow finds out and leaves. I find a cargonian in bar. I detain them and take them to a secluded location. I tell them to tell me where their leader is. The refuse. Several times. I threaten them with death. They refuse again. So I kill them. They had already fired on me with lethals. Multiple of them in lavaland. Besides that they were in revolution. The admin says that this one was not involved. But how was I supposed to know that? I was fired on by 5-6 cargonians, and they were actively talking about the revolution on comms. The guy also acted like a rev. I asked him where the rev leader was and he told me he wouldn't tell me. He never made any claim to not be apart of it. To reiterate cargo used lethal force on me, and refused to negotiate. To that end, I treated them like traitors because that is what they were.
My ban was unfair. There was proper escalation and a real cargo revolution. There was proper rp and escalation all around. The admin is trying to say I should have got HOS or Captain permission, but the captain and hos were being dumbasses. They were not in the equation whatsoever. Captain died gulaging people, and HOS as far as I know was dead as well. With captain being unfit for duty with his obvious real life brain trauma I was next in command. Regardless of that though, I can find nothing in the rules where I had to get their permission to kill someone at all in the first place. But besides that "Command roles are not a free pass to kill people." doesnt make any sense either. I wasn't walking around indiscriminately murdering, or even murdering for no reason. I killed a total of one people, and I had a reason. When I was conversing with the admin it felt like they had a personal grudge against me, like they were actively trying to get me banned. They tried to deny their was even a revolution at first, and tried to make it seem like I was lying. Then they were like "Good news for you there was a revolution". Didnt say anything about my reasoning about HOS and Captain being incompetent, and then tried to find another reason to punish me (I fired a disabler at someone or something and they asked me about that.) Their tone just felt off. My ban was for 1 day. It honestly isnt even worth fighting, but it is extremely unfair. I have been playing on TG for like 6 months, I have several hundred hours on your severs. I have always taken punishment for being a retard when it is due, and learned from my mistakes. It isn't due now.