Character name: Is-A-Lizard
Ban type: Note
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason:During confirmed cult round, lethaled a hulk into crit soon after mindshield implanting them and confirming they were non-cult. The reason being because they wanted to remove them from the HoS office and they were smashing a locker for security gear to fight the cult. The hulk was buckled to a chair where they succumbed before receiving medical care, subsequently the body was thrown out of the brig instead of making further effort to revive them.
Time ban was placed: 2019-10-11 02:27:16
Server you were playing on when banned: Basil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 121145
Your side of the story: It was a generic hectic cult round, but it was a long time before we even learned of a cult. In the time before that, the hulk assistant, Deana, I shot had caused many issues, some of which listed here in order of occurence:
-stealing things like a captain's headset and likely id as well (mostly using headset to taunt security over radio), running into brig to shove people. looting CE as well
-"allowing" cargo to have guns
-threatening to laser me on sight
-most notably, kidnapping the head of personnel, putting on a hardsuit, and dragging them to the departures airlock(literally into the airlock). I never saw what came out of it, but I believe the HOP survived.
Around this time, cult was called. I never left brig but always heard Deana's hulk screams over radio. When she had arrived at brig, I made it clear she wasn't allowed in. When she asked for a mindshield, I relented and went and grabbed one. immediately after implanting her, she started smashing lockers. I shot her (my aim was poor) and cuffed her immediately after she went down. I buckle her to a chair momentarily while I let a doctor out of brig, took about 15 seconds. I go back to the chair, fireman carry her to brig medbay, and try to fix her. She was evidently already dead, and I check the medical scan.
Spoiler:
Krusvik brought up two of my notes, one from last december. I don't find them particularly relevant- they're the only notes I really have from that period, one is for a fight I got into as a medical doctor (which I've considered appealing as well) the other being almost a year old at this point and being for not even bringing someone to critical condition.
That's about it.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I don't usually appeal notes, but I think this one is absurdly harsh. It goes against most rulings I've seen in the past and I need to at least know if this is normal now. I have two main issues here:
1. Her actions before the cult came absolutely justified her death- she's threatened to kill me and kidnapped heads of staff. If this were done in an extended round, would she be innocent? No, and especially not when dynamic exists now. The mindshield implant I gave her is irrelevant in regards to the actions she performed as a nonantag. She acted like an antag, and was treated like one- at least, that's what I'd say if her death was intended.
most importantly,
2.Her death was entirely her fault- for most people this would've resulted in her being batonned and thrown out of brig, but it was her choice to become a hulk that forced me to use lethal force, and it was Entirely her choice to die. She succumbed very quickly after dying, and I had no reason not to treat it as her giving up on the round. Krusvik says I left her unattended in a chair (which was the case for all of 15 seconds, which she was in softcrit for at least part of- she was conscious for as long as I saw her.), but what does that matter? it was her choice to force me to crit her, and her choice to give up immediately after being critted. I was always under the impression that someone succumbing is responsible for their death.
Without mutadone, I used my only option to stop her from smashing things in brig. I then helped her reasonably quickly, and she would've been up again in less than a minute had she waited. My only other option this situation was to let her do what she wanted.
Finally, under what obligation was I to help her get cloned? As the one responsible for her death? If I am held solely responsible for her succumbing (which I above all think I am not) Then I see the concern, but I couldn't possibly risk going to medbay if that could let the cult break into brig. As in escalation policy:
"If you are the instigator in a conflict and end up killing or severely impairing the round of the person you are fighting, you should make a reasonable effort to return them to life at least once or make amends"
I believe me bringing them to the brig medbay was the most reasonable effort I could've made with the issues that could arise abandoning my post. But that's if you refer to me as the instigator.
I don't think that's important, though. She gave me no alternative to subdue her besides lethal force in becoming a hulk, and I provided expedient medical attention. This wasn't enough for her, as she succumbed immediately. If she gave me no alternatives besides her death, was I supposed to ignore her because we were on the same team in the space man game (despite us having been on the same "team" throughout the round and her threatening to kill me and kidnapping people throughout, and there was still some chance she was an antag.) And did I 'execute' her if my intent and effect was not lethal, and she effectively killed herself? And if I did, was it unjustified?
I think I'm being punished for the assistant's decision to start conflict while effectively choosing death if any attempt to subdue them is made. Her mindshield is entirely irrelevant- all it did was confirm that she wasn't a cultist, but in fact it would've mattered more if she was a cultsit. The mindshield working meant that she WASN'T a cultist while threatening my life and kidnapping heads of staff.
