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[FloranOtten] Deepwoods - Why was I banned for this?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 10:35 pm
by Deepwoods
BYOND account: Deepwoods
Character name: William Moore
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 2 days
Ban reason: As a chaplain, beat someone into hardcrit for hitting his office window with a chair. Dragged them to medical, and when medical failed to revive them, sharded the body. When the shade told them to go fuck themselves, spaced the shard.
Time ban was placed: 2019-11-16 22:03:22
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 123671
Your side of the story: I heard banging on my window. Went to see what it was. Found them bashing my confessional window in with a chair. Asked them "Why?". They brushed me off and continued hitting the window. I smacked them into crit with the null rod and started dragging them to medical. They died on the way, because the null rod is more robust a weapon than I'm used to. (EDIT: They ghosted and died of their own volition en route, as I've been made aware of.) The CMO tried to revive them three times, with them refusing to be revived via the defibrillator after the first try. They ghosted as I tried to give them CPR and then refused further revivals, not out of bodily damage but by the unwillingness to be revived. The CMO proceeded to drag them to the morgue, so I sharded them to keep them in case they came back and wanted me to make them a positronic or something. They started understandably shit-talking me. I asked them why they didn't accept the defib. They said they'd kill me if they were revived. I then sighed and lamented them grey tiding. They then told me to go fuck myself. So I then decided to throw the shard out of the airlock, because they had made it obvious they didn't want to be revived and that their plans for if they were revived were to come after me.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I'm uncertain what I should've done differently in that situation. I tried to get them revived. They refused. They then threatened and insulted me when I tried to make a gesture to ensure they wouldn't get stuck in the morgue.

Looking back on it, maybe I was too heavy-handed. But I didn't want them to die. I tried to help revive them. Pitching the shard holding their soul after the fact out of the airlock was admittedly me being a bit pissed off when they started insulting me, and to be honest I think I was pissed because the CMO had put some work in to revive them only for them to spit on that. And it all just welled up.

Re: [FloranOtten] Deepwoods - Why was I banned for this?

PostPosted: Thu Nov 14, 2019 11:34 pm
by skoglol
Round 123671

https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... attack.txt

Dude attacks the window with a chair, most of them snipped out
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[2019-11-14 21:38:56.323] ATTACK: Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) has attacked [tinted window] with the chair (Chapel Office (87, 74, 2))
[2019-11-14 21:38:57.235] ATTACK: Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) has attacked [tinted window] with the chair (Chapel Office (87, 74, 2))
[2019-11-14 21:38:58.207] ATTACK: Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) has attacked [tinted window] with the chair (Chapel Office (87, 74, 2))
[2019-11-14 21:38:59.080] ATTACK: Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) has attacked [tinted window] with the chair (Chapel Office (87, 74, 2))
[2019-11-14 21:38:59.901] ATTACK: Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) has attacked [tinted window] with the chair (Chapel Office (87, 74, 2))


The fight took place in chapel. Heres the last hit:
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[2019-11-14 21:39:48.519] ATTACK: Deepwoods/(William Moore) has attacked Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) with null rod (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -76.2)  (Chapel (90, 73, 2))


In the hallway on the way to medbay, the victim succumbs manually using the verb.
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[2019-11-14 21:40:02.553] ATTACK: Srg.Mccool/(Eius-Teeka) Has succumbed to death while in hard critical with -82.8 points of health! (Aft Primary Hallway (106, 87, 2))


Dude chose to succumb and leave the round, and declined to get revived. This shouldn't be a ban, valid escalation.

Re: [FloranOtten] Deepwoods - Why was I banned for this?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 12:13 am
by Reyn
Iirc, as of some rule 1 precedent, you are allowed to fight people who smash up shit or shit up things in your workplace. With the chapel office being the chaplains workplace

mod edit: you ought to be more specific when citing rules to avoid your post lookin like a peanut post (this post was reported as such) but yeah Rule 1 Precedent 6 is probably a tiny bit relevant here

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 3:57 am
by deedubya
PostThis post was deleted by PKPenguin321 on Fri Nov 15, 2019 5:05 am.
Reason: Peanut gallery post - Ongoing discussion BETWEEN PLAYERS is not quotable policy

Re: [FloranOtten] Deepwoods - Why was I banned for this?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 15, 2019 11:08 am
by FloranOtten
I'll lower this ban by a day.

I made a mistake. I missed the part where he succumbed. That makes the kill entirely valid. What isn't valid, though, is sharding someone you had a conflict with earlier. Even if they refused revival, sharding them removed any chance of cloning or borging. Sure, chances are they will not come back. This doesn't excuse sharding. An SSD player that has been braindead for the last hour will not return. We all know it. You're still not allowed to kill them, though. Beyond that, the worst part of this would be the fact that you proceeded to space said shard for being rude. The effect is the same as being cremated. This is why I decided to ban you instead of warning you about this.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 16, 2019 6:38 am
by ATHATH
PostThis post was deleted by MortoSasye on Sat Nov 16, 2019 9:09 am.
Reason: Stop peanut posting please

Re: [FloranOtten] Deepwoods - Why was I banned for this?

PostPosted: Fri Nov 22, 2019 11:42 pm
by Hulkamania
As correct as Reyn is, there is definitely a line between incited violence and permanent round removal. This incident definitely crosses that line.