[NecromancerAnne] Isy232 - Banned for entering the armory.
Posted: Mon Jan 13, 2020 6:53 pm
BYOND account: <BYOND account> Isy232
Character name: <Character name at time of ban> Hydrogen III
Ban type: <Server/Role/OOC/etc> ^
Ban length: <Permanent, 5 days, etc> ^
Ban reason: <Copy this from the server. If this is a server ban, attempt to connect. If it is not a server ban, view your notes with "View Admin Remarks" button under OOC tab in-game. An image is suitable, but do **not** paraphrase or otherwise modify the reason.> ^
Time ban was placed: <Try to get this from the server when you get the ban reason. If it was a note, the note has a timestamp. If it was a server ban, it will also have a timestamp. Both of these times are in UTC.> ^
Server you were playing on when banned: <Server name, eg, Bagil/Sybil/Terry/Event Hall> ^
Round ID in which ban was placed: <Round ID, should be present in ban reason from server. Can be excluded if it cannot be found. Example: 101235> ^
Your side of the story: Joined 20 minutes into the round as a scientist, somewhere along that saw a wizard, they were being friendly so no conflict there. Went back to check the science department, all jobs were being done or had been done and after a while of boringly wandering the station looking for some action or roleplay or any sort of interesting situation I found none except for some pizza party in which half the people looked AFK.
So I decided to create some conflict, I grabbed a portal gun and started warping into secure areas. Nobody cared at all so I decided to try the armory, I was thinking of just teleporting in, getting caught by armsky and then demanding a lawyer or something. Provide some sort of roleplay conflict in which I would be the only person who would be impacted negatively.
IC'ly I was going to justify it as the sort of care-free scientist stereotype taking there new toy for a joyride, a little careless of the consequences perhaps.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Necro banned me based on the bit in rule 8 saying "you need to be playing a believable (character, I assume) and you want to have a job at the end of the day".
Rule 8 does not say this and I doubt it was written with the intention to ban people for actions such as the one I took.
Rule 8 Exatly states: "Real life realism is not required, and you are encouraged to be a little silly within the context of the SS13 game world. (Clowning around, people spontaneously exploding and creating ridiculously elaborate machinery are all non-serious things but yet a vital part of the game world.) There's a good chance your character still wants to have a job at the end of the day, so you should probably act like it."
Most important I think is the fact that it says probably instead of definitely. Probably meaning almost certainly meaning almost always. So I am assuming this means 90% of your actions should be done with regard to your position as a nanotrasen employee.
So in this case, the single action I took without regard for my job was entering the armory with a teleporter. I didn't steal anything, I didn't resist a security person trying to arrest me, I didn't break anything. I only entered the room. This was done with the intent to create minor conflict in which I would then demand a lawyer or try to explain myself or beg the security person to have mercy, ect. All actions that would be done with regard to my position as a nanotrasen employee.
I would also like to point out that rule 8 and 10 contradict each other in this situation. "If you aren’t an antagonist and yet you really want to play out a hostage situation, or turn someone into a living cake-cat abomination, or just dick around a little, confirm with the involved and affected players ICly first. If everyone agrees to being subjected to whatever terrible atrocities you have in store, then you’re good to go."
If you roleplay taking someone else hostage, its obvious you are unlikely to keep your job, yet if people consent its allowed.
In my situation I was the only person capable of being negatively affected by my action, and of course I had my own consent.
I did not negatively affect any member of security as I did not steal anything or damage anything and I do not think getting security to do their job is negatively affecting anyone. The same way as if you take someone hostage security would have to respond or if someone is harmed in that situation medical would treat them.
To add another bit of precedence for my actions, yesterday I was playing a scientist and had done toxins and made 6 large bombs. I ahelped if I could pretend to threaten the station with them and was told it would be okay to do so. I set off the bombs on the toxins test site while pretending I was blowing up the station and making them play a game of hide and seek with me.
Another situation in which I could have been fired for, but was given the go ahead anyways and where I was the only one negatively impacted.
What happened after this incident was the I got shot, cloned, interrogated and put on trial where I then convinced the head of security I should be set free.
Character name: <Character name at time of ban> Hydrogen III
Ban type: <Server/Role/OOC/etc> ^
Ban length: <Permanent, 5 days, etc> ^
Ban reason: <Copy this from the server. If this is a server ban, attempt to connect. If it is not a server ban, view your notes with "View Admin Remarks" button under OOC tab in-game. An image is suitable, but do **not** paraphrase or otherwise modify the reason.> ^
Time ban was placed: <Try to get this from the server when you get the ban reason. If it was a note, the note has a timestamp. If it was a server ban, it will also have a timestamp. Both of these times are in UTC.> ^
Server you were playing on when banned: <Server name, eg, Bagil/Sybil/Terry/Event Hall> ^
Round ID in which ban was placed: <Round ID, should be present in ban reason from server. Can be excluded if it cannot be found. Example: 101235> ^
Your side of the story: Joined 20 minutes into the round as a scientist, somewhere along that saw a wizard, they were being friendly so no conflict there. Went back to check the science department, all jobs were being done or had been done and after a while of boringly wandering the station looking for some action or roleplay or any sort of interesting situation I found none except for some pizza party in which half the people looked AFK.
So I decided to create some conflict, I grabbed a portal gun and started warping into secure areas. Nobody cared at all so I decided to try the armory, I was thinking of just teleporting in, getting caught by armsky and then demanding a lawyer or something. Provide some sort of roleplay conflict in which I would be the only person who would be impacted negatively.
IC'ly I was going to justify it as the sort of care-free scientist stereotype taking there new toy for a joyride, a little careless of the consequences perhaps.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Necro banned me based on the bit in rule 8 saying "you need to be playing a believable (character, I assume) and you want to have a job at the end of the day".
Rule 8 does not say this and I doubt it was written with the intention to ban people for actions such as the one I took.
Rule 8 Exatly states: "Real life realism is not required, and you are encouraged to be a little silly within the context of the SS13 game world. (Clowning around, people spontaneously exploding and creating ridiculously elaborate machinery are all non-serious things but yet a vital part of the game world.) There's a good chance your character still wants to have a job at the end of the day, so you should probably act like it."
Most important I think is the fact that it says probably instead of definitely. Probably meaning almost certainly meaning almost always. So I am assuming this means 90% of your actions should be done with regard to your position as a nanotrasen employee.
So in this case, the single action I took without regard for my job was entering the armory with a teleporter. I didn't steal anything, I didn't resist a security person trying to arrest me, I didn't break anything. I only entered the room. This was done with the intent to create minor conflict in which I would then demand a lawyer or try to explain myself or beg the security person to have mercy, ect. All actions that would be done with regard to my position as a nanotrasen employee.
I would also like to point out that rule 8 and 10 contradict each other in this situation. "If you aren’t an antagonist and yet you really want to play out a hostage situation, or turn someone into a living cake-cat abomination, or just dick around a little, confirm with the involved and affected players ICly first. If everyone agrees to being subjected to whatever terrible atrocities you have in store, then you’re good to go."
If you roleplay taking someone else hostage, its obvious you are unlikely to keep your job, yet if people consent its allowed.
In my situation I was the only person capable of being negatively affected by my action, and of course I had my own consent.
I did not negatively affect any member of security as I did not steal anything or damage anything and I do not think getting security to do their job is negatively affecting anyone. The same way as if you take someone hostage security would have to respond or if someone is harmed in that situation medical would treat them.
To add another bit of precedence for my actions, yesterday I was playing a scientist and had done toxins and made 6 large bombs. I ahelped if I could pretend to threaten the station with them and was told it would be okay to do so. I set off the bombs on the toxins test site while pretending I was blowing up the station and making them play a game of hide and seek with me.
Another situation in which I could have been fired for, but was given the go ahead anyways and where I was the only one negatively impacted.
What happened after this incident was the I got shot, cloned, interrogated and put on trial where I then convinced the head of security I should be set free.