[necromanceranne]theunlovedrock - Posted by Rock
Posted: Sat Feb 08, 2020 4:20 am
BYOND account: theunlovedrock
Character name: Is-A-LIzard
Ban type: server
Ban length: 3 days from 2020-02-05
Ban reason: (MANUEL)In a petty dispute over a stolen janicart, got a security officer involved in arresting the person they were having an argument with and then cut of the persons limbs with a chainsaw while they were arrested. Seemed to believe this was equal punishment despite the fact that they had cleaned up the persons floor art several times with the cart. They also cut off extra limbs because the person was defending themselves from having their limbs cut off. Your behaviour is dreadful. Don't thing this will fly on Manuel.
Time ban was placed: 2020-02-05 23:47:18
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 129698
Your side of the story: Drive over cat's graffiti which automatically cleans it several times over the course of about a minute, several because they were fixing it almost as fast as I was driving over it. said graffiti was about 4 letters and some scribbles on the side, was in the hallway next to an actual bloody mess I was dealing with. Cat grabs the cart, I spend a few minutes looking for it- check maint in the direction I saw them going with my cart, check every unlocked dorm, check escape, eventually I pda security about it, saying I just need my cart back. Once I get to security after they have them in brig cat is entirely uncooperative with me or security, just insulting me for cleaning. I acquire a chainsaw just sort of lying around in the hallway and tell the cat if they don't fess up by the time they're out of that cell I'm going to cut their arm off. To my surprise security actually lets me into brig and then into the cell with the chainsaw, egging me on. Cat just calls me mean and I slash at their arm. First hit dismembers it. Back off and give them a chance to talk, but the first thing they do is shove the chainsaw out of my hands in a 2x2 + 1x1 space. I feel threatened and, forgetting that they can't saw me back with one arm, slash at them to avoid them killing me with the same chainsaw. This removes the second arm. few seconds later, the Cat instantly dies in a way that is entirely not my fault- as far as I know, the cat due to nanites or something died from having massive amounts of brain damage.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
First off, The reason for the ban is awful. I'm not going to consider the bias in it as that's standard ban reason stuff, but one stuck out to me. The way it describes the "argument" makes it sound like I broke into the brig cell and cut off two limbs (it says plural) just to spite them. Then I cut off their other two limbs (still plural!) to defend myself from the threat that had at most one arm and one leg. This is ridiculous.
I wish to stress that my intent was not to get revenge for stealing my cart, but rather, to get my cart back. I had no other way to locate the cart, and there's only one motorized janicart that can ever be found- something the first admin who talked to me didn't seem to understand even after I stated it.
I see how from a roleplay perspective cutting off someone's limbs because they won't give you what you want is insane- before finding the saw, my plan if I had to resort to such an interrogation was to give them swirlies. This wasn't viable in the brig environment. There may have been other ways to threaten them, and I should've chosen those- if I knew it wouldn't work. But in the situation they left me in, with the cat being entirely uncooperative left me no other options. And I didn't expect I would actually be cutting off any arms, up until my first chainsaw hit was a dismemberment - from a roleplay perspective, they had no reason not to listen to the threat. Even if their graffiti was more important to them than their arms (which wouldn't make sense since they were able to replace it in mere seconds) then they still weren't solving anything, as I had other ways to clean it up. The only reason to keep the cart hidden was because they were the one who wanted revenge, while I wanted a return to the status quo- though it'd be a lie to say I wasn't angry. From an OOC perspective, though, chances are I'm not an antagonist- my threat has to be empty, as if I do cut off the limbs they can simply ahelp me, they might've thought, Therefore leaving me with no options to get my cart back. If both of us acted rationally then it would've ended with us both leaving brig fine- but since they acted insane enough to not value their own limbs, I had to either give up or act insane enough to remove a limb after threatening to remove it if demands were not met.
It's not as if I wasn't trying to deal with the problem reasonably. My first idea was to just look for the cart, but when my search failed I asked security to deal with the minor thief, and I can't think of a more calm reaction than that. You can't really suggest they would've given it back if I talked to them- they never tried to contact me with my pda or otherwise as far as I knew, and they refused the station's security force telling them to fess up. I didn't come to brig chainsaw in hand- if they wanted to reason for it, they could've told me. The last idea was to threaten them physically- but when they were completely unwilling to bend to the threat, and security egged me on and locked me in a cell with them, I was left with no options besides go back on my word or act on the threat that I never planned to and never should've been in the situation where I had to act on . Even then they chose to react to proof that I would maim them with trying to fight back against me, the only one capable of wielding the only weapon in the room. This is insane from any perspective except "if he fights back that'll look really bad oocly"
If I recall correctly there was also pressure from other admins on top of time constraints of the banning admin so I think this should at least be reviewed in a more objective light now that everyone has cooled down and the banning admin isn't as pressured. Unfortunately no one else wanted to contest the ban (even me) but I think it needs to at least be toned down given the circumstances and needs to be reviewed through a more official channel.
Lastly, I don't understand the rationale behind three days specifically- that's 1.5 days for each arm. I know this is a significant jump up from lrp, but this isn't hrp either. It's not like I ran up to someone and cut off their arms unprovoked, nor that they pissed me off so much that I cut off their arms (well it does look like that). It's that I said I would cut off their arm if my irreplaceable item wasn't returned to me, and to my surprise they'd rather lose the arm than return it.
Yeah thas it.
Character name: Is-A-LIzard
Ban type: server
Ban length: 3 days from 2020-02-05
Ban reason: (MANUEL)In a petty dispute over a stolen janicart, got a security officer involved in arresting the person they were having an argument with and then cut of the persons limbs with a chainsaw while they were arrested. Seemed to believe this was equal punishment despite the fact that they had cleaned up the persons floor art several times with the cart. They also cut off extra limbs because the person was defending themselves from having their limbs cut off. Your behaviour is dreadful. Don't thing this will fly on Manuel.
Time ban was placed: 2020-02-05 23:47:18
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 129698
Your side of the story: Drive over cat's graffiti which automatically cleans it several times over the course of about a minute, several because they were fixing it almost as fast as I was driving over it. said graffiti was about 4 letters and some scribbles on the side, was in the hallway next to an actual bloody mess I was dealing with. Cat grabs the cart, I spend a few minutes looking for it- check maint in the direction I saw them going with my cart, check every unlocked dorm, check escape, eventually I pda security about it, saying I just need my cart back. Once I get to security after they have them in brig cat is entirely uncooperative with me or security, just insulting me for cleaning. I acquire a chainsaw just sort of lying around in the hallway and tell the cat if they don't fess up by the time they're out of that cell I'm going to cut their arm off. To my surprise security actually lets me into brig and then into the cell with the chainsaw, egging me on. Cat just calls me mean and I slash at their arm. First hit dismembers it. Back off and give them a chance to talk, but the first thing they do is shove the chainsaw out of my hands in a 2x2 + 1x1 space. I feel threatened and, forgetting that they can't saw me back with one arm, slash at them to avoid them killing me with the same chainsaw. This removes the second arm. few seconds later, the Cat instantly dies in a way that is entirely not my fault- as far as I know, the cat due to nanites or something died from having massive amounts of brain damage.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
First off, The reason for the ban is awful. I'm not going to consider the bias in it as that's standard ban reason stuff, but one stuck out to me. The way it describes the "argument" makes it sound like I broke into the brig cell and cut off two limbs (it says plural) just to spite them. Then I cut off their other two limbs (still plural!) to defend myself from the threat that had at most one arm and one leg. This is ridiculous.
I wish to stress that my intent was not to get revenge for stealing my cart, but rather, to get my cart back. I had no other way to locate the cart, and there's only one motorized janicart that can ever be found- something the first admin who talked to me didn't seem to understand even after I stated it.
I see how from a roleplay perspective cutting off someone's limbs because they won't give you what you want is insane- before finding the saw, my plan if I had to resort to such an interrogation was to give them swirlies. This wasn't viable in the brig environment. There may have been other ways to threaten them, and I should've chosen those- if I knew it wouldn't work. But in the situation they left me in, with the cat being entirely uncooperative left me no other options. And I didn't expect I would actually be cutting off any arms, up until my first chainsaw hit was a dismemberment - from a roleplay perspective, they had no reason not to listen to the threat. Even if their graffiti was more important to them than their arms (which wouldn't make sense since they were able to replace it in mere seconds) then they still weren't solving anything, as I had other ways to clean it up. The only reason to keep the cart hidden was because they were the one who wanted revenge, while I wanted a return to the status quo- though it'd be a lie to say I wasn't angry. From an OOC perspective, though, chances are I'm not an antagonist- my threat has to be empty, as if I do cut off the limbs they can simply ahelp me, they might've thought, Therefore leaving me with no options to get my cart back. If both of us acted rationally then it would've ended with us both leaving brig fine- but since they acted insane enough to not value their own limbs, I had to either give up or act insane enough to remove a limb after threatening to remove it if demands were not met.
It's not as if I wasn't trying to deal with the problem reasonably. My first idea was to just look for the cart, but when my search failed I asked security to deal with the minor thief, and I can't think of a more calm reaction than that. You can't really suggest they would've given it back if I talked to them- they never tried to contact me with my pda or otherwise as far as I knew, and they refused the station's security force telling them to fess up. I didn't come to brig chainsaw in hand- if they wanted to reason for it, they could've told me. The last idea was to threaten them physically- but when they were completely unwilling to bend to the threat, and security egged me on and locked me in a cell with them, I was left with no options besides go back on my word or act on the threat that I never planned to and never should've been in the situation where I had to act on . Even then they chose to react to proof that I would maim them with trying to fight back against me, the only one capable of wielding the only weapon in the room. This is insane from any perspective except "if he fights back that'll look really bad oocly"
If I recall correctly there was also pressure from other admins on top of time constraints of the banning admin so I think this should at least be reviewed in a more objective light now that everyone has cooled down and the banning admin isn't as pressured. Unfortunately no one else wanted to contest the ban (even me) but I think it needs to at least be toned down given the circumstances and needs to be reviewed through a more official channel.
Lastly, I don't understand the rationale behind three days specifically- that's 1.5 days for each arm. I know this is a significant jump up from lrp, but this isn't hrp either. It's not like I ran up to someone and cut off their arms unprovoked, nor that they pissed me off so much that I cut off their arms (well it does look like that). It's that I said I would cut off their arm if my irreplaceable item wasn't returned to me, and to my surprise they'd rather lose the arm than return it.
Yeah thas it.