[Shaps] - That REALLY Good Soda Flavor - Note appeal!

[Soda_Flavor]

BYOND account: That REALLY Good Soda Flavor
Character name: Kanye West
Ban type: Note
Ban length: N/A
Ban reason: Asked not to use the name Kanye West on Manuel
Time ban was placed: 2020-02-19 02:20:17
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 130518
Your side of the story: I was playing a normal round, when I was messaged by an admin to change my name next shift.
Why you think you should be unbanned:

The admins made this argument during our discussion:

The key point here isn't whether it's explicitly laid out on MRP, it's a part of the core ruleset. The key point is that admins generally don't care enough on LRP to bother enforcing it, but it's still a rule that's on the books.

They are referring to rule 3:

Excessively OOC names fall under rule 3. Make a minimum effort to have your name fit in a setting involving a wacky space station in the future. A firstname lastname minimum is required for humans and felinids; other species may instead choose to use the default names assigned to them, such as those given through random names, or otherwise any name that is species-appropriate. Honorifics and nicknames are not allowed. Admins may get involved if your name is dumb and can approve or disallow names at their discretion while in-game.
Excessively OOC is defined as names which are intentionally hard to read/spell, references to in-game mechanics or OOC terminology, and any form of nonsensical/bad-faith name (ex. Adolf Hitler, FAGGOT PUNCHER, Poop Boy, xXrobustspaceman420Xx etc).

There is precedent that this name "Kanye West" is acceptable under the normal rules. The consensus is that I've made the effort to fit in a wacky space station, the name is species appropriate, and is not in bad faith.

It does matter because this is the MRP server and we enforce the rules more strictly. Your assertion that all the servers should be treated the same is null and void.

They then make the argument that, although MRP has no written rules about names, they "enforce the rules more strictly" on Manuel. This is where I am in disagreement. There is no "more strictly" in enforcing the core ruleset. You either enforce it, or you don't, and it is enforced on all of the /tg/station servers. The Roleplay rules clearly state this:

These are extra rules.
The RP rules are an extension to the base rules, not a replacement for. Big difference.

The base rules are not replaced by a set that is more strictly enforced. Manuel rules are base rules + extra roleplay rules. Plain and simple. They make the argument that:

Being an MRP server, we try to enforce a higher standard of roleplay in many small ways that aren't explicitly outlined on the MRP rules page, with the understanding that roleplay is a nebulous thing that's more "i know it when i see it" than an exact science.

There is plenty of truth to this. Manuel rules call for more "civil" behavior which is not a binary thing, an exact science. However, the rules do not outline anything about names. They are all about player behavior, and I behave just fine, that's not the issue here. My point is: this naming issue is not covered by the extra Manuel rules. Any name that is acceptable on Sybil should be acceptable on Manuel.

And before they try to pull the "why are you wasting our time" or "why do you care" card, it's not about the effort involved. I already changed my name. But I would like to continue using the name Kanye West on Manuel and I'll be punished if I do that. I don't think this is fair, and I think it's unnecessary. It doesn't matter how the admins think it affects roleplay, as a matter of the rules, this is not acceptable.

[wesoda25]

Admins may get involved if your name is dumb and can approve or disallow names at their discretion while in-game.

k thats a wrap folks

[Vekter]

There's a general precedent that we don't allow celebrity names on Manuel due to it being MRP. Same reason you can't name yourself something like Fucks-the-Catgirls or Shid Fuckington.

[Soda_Flavor]

There's a general precedent that we don't allow celebrity names on Manuel due to it being MRP. Same reason you can't name yourself something like Fucks-the-Catgirls or Shid Fuckington.

It's not the same reason since those names aren't acceptable on any server. As written, only "bad faith" names are disallowed. Those names are certainly bad faith.

[Shaps-cloud]

You are stating the intentions of the rules to the people who are charged with managing said rules and who are telling you your interpretation is incorrect. There's nothing more to be done here unless headmins choose to overthrow me on this

[Soda_Flavor]

You are stating the intentions of the rules to the people who are charged with managing said rules and who are telling you your interpretation is incorrect. There's nothing more to be done here unless headmins choose to overthrow me on this

My argument is not about interpretation of rule 3. It's that as written there is nothing to indicate the rule being enforced differently on Manuel.

[Soda_Flavor]

The roleplay rules are an extension of the base rules, not a replacement. This means that anything covered by the base rules, but not covered by the roleplay rules, the base rules still apply. The roleplay rules have no mention of character names. Therefore the base rules should apply in naming situations. It has previously been decided that this name is acceptable according to the base rules. Therefore it should be acceptable on Manuel.

[peoplearestrange]

Appeal was denied by admin. Its been open for a week and no head has added input. Resolving