[Fatalx1] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

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[Fatalx1] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by SasukexSakura1337 » #561812

BYOND account: <BYOND account> Sasukexsakura1337
Character name: <Character name at time of ban> Adrian willey
Ban type: <Server/Role/OOC/etc> Chaplainm
Ban length: <Permanent, 5 days, etc> 1 hour
Ban reason: <Copy this from the server. If this is a server ban, attempt to connect. If it is not a server ban, view your notes with "View Admin Remarks" button under OOC tab in-game. An image is suitable, but do **not** paraphrase or otherwise modify the reason.> Killed Ian, apparently to avoid being stuck, and ahelped when the HoP killed him for it. I half believe you but, don\'t kill dogs and ahelp when you get murdered and say it was \"for no reason\"
Time ban was placed: <Try to get this from the server when you get the ban reason. If it was a note, the note has a timestamp. If it was a server ban, it will also have a timestamp. Both of these times are in UTC.>
Server you were playing on when banned: <Server name, eg, Bagil/Sybil/Terry/Event Hall> Event hall
Round ID in which ban was placed: <Round ID, should be present in ban reason from server. Can be excluded if it cannot be found. Example: 101235> 137098
Your side of the story: <Explain what happened in your own words.> I was running from the shitty hos after he tried to arrest me for going into brigde and i used teleporter to get away. While i used teleporter i landed in hops office on a table or a wall or something like that not able to move and ian was blocking me completely and the only way for me to get out.
Why you think you should be unbanned: <Why should you get this opportunity to return, what value do you bring back to the community? Was your ban unfair? Justify it.> Obviously it's unfair, For one I just came back after a month. And me not knowing "IF I KILL IAN AND HOP KILLING ME RIGHT AFTER" is bannable. First of all i didnt kill ian for the shit and giggles i killed him because i was stuck and being chased for some unknown reason. I didnt know this Ian rule and probably is put there to avoid kill baiters. I adminhelped about it because i wasnt aware that i was valid to be killed on sight after i helped hop somewhat after he used the magic book and became a statue. I was about to leave and he just starts shooting me. i thought he was in the wrong but wasnt. This rule first of all seems to apply to " Validity when killing pets#If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you."" I was stuck and had no other way out. I was teleported this is just a mere concidence. Why i get banned for this if the retarded HOP was statued after using abook
References of good conduct: <If serverbanned and **especially** if permabanned, have you played on other servers during the time you were banned? Name them here, in many cases good references of conduct and character can be crucial to a successful appeal. Otherwise, feel free to remove this portion.> i love this server and i just wanna play properly.
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by Anuv » #561825

The headmin precedent made for this incident, as follows from the wiki (https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings)
Validity when killing pets
If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by SasukexSakura1337 » #561831

Anuv wrote:The headmin precedent made for this incident, as follows from the wiki (https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings)
Validity when killing pets
If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.
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Understandable why this rule exists but the problem lies where i was stuck on the console in hops room and ian blocking me. I had to kill him because it was a mere coincidence that i got that exact spot using teleporter and didnt know this rule existed at all since i didnt know i was valid because of it
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by XivilaiAnaxes » #561834

To be fair assuming he actually was stuck, it's not like he killed Ian for no reason other than salting up the hop.
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by oranges » #561835

[2020-05-14 17:51:56.732] GAME: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has teleported from (Command Hallway (96, 127, 2)) to (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 135, 2))
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Looks like Ian was probably buckled to the chair in front of that console
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by SasukexSakura1337 » #561892

I was on the console right on the chair with ian on the chair not sure if buckled or not. That's what i was teleported to
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by Fatal » #561988

Alright I dunno who this "FaithX" person is but I'll handle this instead (I'm just kidding I'll edit the OP(Oh I can't some kind person edit that please))

Anyway, this ban expired ages ago, so this is just a note appeal

This is the note in question

Killed Ian, apparently to avoid being stuck, and ahelped when the HoP killed him for it. I half believe you but, don't kill dogs and ahelp when you get murdered and say it was "for no reason"

And here are the ahelp logs because, you initially hid the fact you killed Ian from us
Spoiler:
[2020-05-14 17:54:44.141] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #5: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): uh hop killed me no reason
[2020-05-14 17:55:00.550] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Argon XIII)->SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): You sure it was for no reason?
[2020-05-14 17:55:11.445] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): i mean cant think of anything
[2020-05-14 17:55:33.121] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Argon XIII)->SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): You mean you didn't sword ian to death ? These attack logs show otherwise
[2020-05-14 17:55:43.304] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): because i was stuck
[2020-05-14 17:55:49.646] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Argon XIII)->SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): 42[17:52:06] SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 135, 2))
- has attacked *no key*/(Ian) with officer's sabre (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0)
- 41[17:52:05] SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) (Head of Personnel's Office (91, 135, 2))
- has attacked *no key*/(Ian) with officer's sabre (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 5)
[2020-05-14 17:55:52.641] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): are you seriously telling me im valid because i killed fucking ian?
[2020-05-14 17:56:02.857] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Argon XIII)->SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): Absol-fucking-lutely
[2020-05-14 17:56:03.118] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): because i teleproted and couldn move otherwise?
[2020-05-14 17:56:31.524] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): listen to me, tell hop to grab rope and hang himself over ian
[2020-05-14 17:56:47.422] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): how the fuck does me slicling that fucking corgi up make me valid
[2020-05-14 17:56:59.138] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Argon XIII)->SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): Also ahelping it counts as ban-baiting honestly
[2020-05-14 17:57:08.548] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: FatalX1/(Argon XIII)->SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey): https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Headmin_Rulings
[2020-05-14 17:57:31.716] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): Validity when killing pets#If you perform an action which has zero benefit to you other than making others upset (like killing Ian) I will ban you if you adminhelp when someone kills you.
[2020-05-14 17:57:56.358] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): but it says "doesnt benefit me" I was stuck in a wall and oNLY WAY for me to get out was to slice that fucking dog up
[2020-05-14 17:58:13.691] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey)->FatalX1/(Argon XIII): giving me a reason
I don't feel the note doesn't show what happened nor is not clear enough, you killed Ian, whether stuck or not, and were killed for it, and ahelped saying "HoP killed me for no reason"

Headmins can look at this if they want but I feel the note is clear enough and fair enough, denied
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Re: [Faithx] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by ATHATH » #561990

For future reference, I believe that you could have gone prone (by hitting the "rest" button next to your intent buttons) to crawl under Ian without killing him. You also could have grabbed Ian and clicked on an adjacent tile to move him to that tile. You of course didn't know either of those things at the time of this incident (and can't really be blamed for NOT knowing them), but hey, there's no harm in informing you of them.
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Re: [Fatalx1] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by SasukexSakura1337 » #561993

First of all my guy, i didn't know the rule "killing ian" makes me valid and when i was asked i didn't realize that the validity was onto ian and killing that dog. That's what i thought.

Hence saying "i didn't do anything"
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Re: [Fatalx1] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by Istoprocent1 » #562099

SasukexSakura1337 wrote:I was running from the shitty hos
Evading arrest, but for what?
SasukexSakura1337 wrote:after he tried to arrest me for going into brigde
Seems to be a lawful arrest - Major Tresspass, which is being evaded.
SasukexSakura1337 wrote:and i used teleporter to get away.
The hand teleporter? There you have it. You acted like an antag by stealing a traitor objective and got treated like an antag.

Also:

05:47:02 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:04 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:04 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:05 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:06 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:07 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:08 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:09 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:10 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has attacked [Captain's Desk] with the fire axe (Wielded) (119, 132, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:12 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) cast the spell Knock. (120, 135, 2) Captain's Quarters
05:47:23 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) cast the spell Knock. (121, 137, 2) Captain's Quarters

Not only that, you also were the first to shoot HoS with lethals:

05:49:23 ATTACK SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) has fired at [floor] with the radiation beam from Bridge (103, 136, 2) Bridge
05:49:30 ATTACK EnburN/(Rafael Collins) has shot SasukexSakura1337/(Adrian Willey) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 100) (106, 136, 2) Bridge

You shouldn't ahelp after doing things of that magnitude as it goes into Ban Baiting territory - there seems to have been multiple reasons why you got killed, whether it was using lethals on HoS, stealing the hand teleporter or killing Ian.
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Re: [Fatalx1] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by SasukexSakura1337 » #562140

i thought this note appeal was over.
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Re: [Fatalx1] Sasukexsakura1337 killing ian

Post by SasukexSakura1337 » #562143

some1 lock this appeal please, dealing with another one and its like a week old about 1h ban
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