[Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

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Re: [Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #567347

It all started with me having a beef with another. Said player tried to catfish me which I would like to remind is illegal in many countries. I was aware of the catfishing but willingly took the bait to have some fun.
As a member of the admin team handling your warning over harassing another player, you made no such allegations at the time, and presented a very different story. Are you admitting to having misled admins?
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kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please. 🖕🖕🖕
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Re: [Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #567352

Ikoden wrote:
Not-Dorsidarf wrote:
It all started with me having a beef with another. Said player tried to catfish me which I would like to remind is illegal in many countries. I was aware of the catfishing but willingly took the bait to have some fun.
As a member of the admin team handling your warning over harassing another player, you made no such allegations at the time, and presented a very different story. Are you admitting to having misled admins?

Hamboy handled my ahelp and then Phuzzylodgik. I did not mislead admins. I do remember making such allegations at time.And what do you mean you were handling my warning. You were not part of it. You did not send a single ahelp message to me. Are you lying? Give me proof of any accusation. Your baseless accusations are immoral. Give proof or be silent.
I was assisting hamboy at his request, since as a trialmin he hadn't encountered any kind of serious situation like this before, and was hence online and helping, despite not directly contacting you to avoid multi-admin ahelp spam.

Image I've been informed that a name-scrubbed logs of both rounds tickets is coming but here's how you opened up the conversation.
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kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please. 🖕🖕🖕
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Re: [Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

Post by pugie » #567355

Just skimming through this I can see that what you present in your appeal is one sided in terms of the events that happened leading to me tossing you into the SM.

So, according to you, you tried to flash me, but then because I had sunglasses on, I went "ballistic". you condense the details of our fight & you even have the audacity to accuse me of metagrudging.

No.

Let's see how things went down... I'm in SM chamber with Bob Stange (Iain0) experimenting with the Delta SM setup by running it on CO2.
It's not something that I do often so I'm adjusting positions of freezers and such. You've already sent me a couple of very large PDA messages at this point which I've tried to ignore, because I have no wish of discussing what happened the previous shift I played with you where I permabrigged you, and would rather avoid you. I figured the lack of PDA reply would mean you'd take a hint, I even turned PDA messaging off, yet you come into the engine room to find me.

PDA messages:
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Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) (PDA: chaplain PDA to Edgar Pope (Station Engineer)) "hey Edgar, last shift when you were security officer and I were a chaplain, and you met me near brig with security access, I really was a good guy just looking for the thrill of the hunt, I was disappointed how you treated me that time, even worse, I got killed in the prison and I think you didnt want to revive me"
PDA: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) (PDA: chaplain PDA to Edgar Pope (Station Engineer)) "kind of disappointed because it was Edgar who taught me that security is there to protect innocents not to blindly follow laws" (Chapel Office (130,44,2))
Bob is out of view at this point, I have no idea where he is & he's not there to help me out. First thing you do upon seeing me is pulling out a flash. I barely swap out my radiation hood for a welding hard hat in time as you flash me, at this point it's been made clear you've tried to stun me in SM room with no prior escalation & very nearly succeeded. I shove you away, you try to pass it off as a joke which is something I'm not prepared to buy & then I proceed to call you out as a tot over comms. Considering you've just tried to stun me I attack you with my welding tool, to which you respond to cutting my hand off with your godhand. Then you attempt to stun me using the HoS's energy gun which I can only assume you stole. I'm one hit away from stamcrit at this point but I manage to welding tool you into crit. By now you have tried to flash me, attacked me with a stolen weapon AND turned my right arm to ash. I tossed you into SM. How can you even call this me metagrudging you? You attacked me, for no reason, both lethally and non lethally in the room with a highly dangerous crystal that turns people into a pile of bones. Anyone could have done this to me and I would have dusted them, with perhaps the exception of security.

Logs related to this incident:
Spoiler:
[2020-06-27 22:23:11.369] SAY: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) "if i move the two freezers can guarantee mev will be way better" (Atmospherics Engine (108,173,2))
[2020-06-27 22:23:46.862] SAY: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) "how's it going?" (Atmospherics (97,163,2))
[2020-06-27 22:23:54.514] SAY: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) "nice" (Atmospherics (99,163,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:18.979] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has flashed(targeted) Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the flash (NEWHP: 100) (Atmospherics Engine (108,175,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:20.301] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has shoved Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) (NEWHP: 100) (Atmospherics Engine (108,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:21.185] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has shoved Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) (NEWHP: 100) (Atmospherics Engine (108,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:22.612] SAY: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) "honk" (Atmospherics Engine (105,172,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:23.300] SAY: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) "CJA{" (Atmospherics Engine (107,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:24.428] SAY: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) "' CJA{w" (Atmospherics Engine (107,175,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:25.419] SAY: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) "hahaha" (Atmospherics Engine (106,172,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:25.859] SAY: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) "CHAP SM" (Atmospherics Engine (107,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:27.091] SAY: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) "' ROGUE" (Atmospherics Engine (107,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:28.385] SAY: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) "TOT" (Atmospherics Engine (107,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:30.364] SAY: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) "not rogue" (Atmospherics Engine (103,171,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:32.488] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 85) (Atmospherics Engine (98,172,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:33.619] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 70) (Atmospherics Engine (96,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:34.562] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 58.8) (Atmospherics Engine (96,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:34.687] SAY: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) "stop" (Atmospherics Engine (95,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:35.449] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 43.8) (Atmospherics Engine (95,175,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:36.826] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 28.8) (Atmospherics Engine (95,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:37.351] EMOTE: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) screams! (Atmospherics Engine (95,176,2)) <- my hand comes off
[2020-06-27 22:24:37.357] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has attacked Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with god hand (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 62.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,177,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:44.120] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (106,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:44.192] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has shot Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 76) (Atmospherics Engine (106,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:44.634] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (107,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:44.695] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has shot Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 76) (Atmospherics Engine (107,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:45.380] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (107,178,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:45.451] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has shot Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 76) (Atmospherics Engine (107,178,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:45.452] EMOTE: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) screams! (Atmospherics Engine (107,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:46.074] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (107,176,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:46.736] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (107,175,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:48.684] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [pipe] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (107,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:49.508] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (105,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:49.952] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (104,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:50.221] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has shot Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 76) (Atmospherics Engine (104,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:50.371] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [gas filter] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (103,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:51.164] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (101,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:51.444] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has shot Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 76) (Atmospherics Engine (100,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:51.590] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [gas flow meter] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (100,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:52.038] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (99,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:52.921] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (97,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:53.484] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (97,181,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:53.681] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: 13.8) (Atmospherics Engine (96,181,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:53.994] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (97,182,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:54.441] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (98,182,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:55.155] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (98,181,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:55.260] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has shot Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) with the disabler beam (NEWHP: 76) (Atmospherics Engine (98,181,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:55.655] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (98,181,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:56.122] ATTACK: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) has fired at [floor] with the disabler beam from Atmospherics Engine (Atmospherics Engine (97,181,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:57.065] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -1.2) (Atmospherics Engine (95,179,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:58.300] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -12.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:24:59.519] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has grabbed Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) passive grab (NEWHP: -12.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,180,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:00.480] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -27.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,179,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:01.382] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -42.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,177,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:02.372] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -57.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,175,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:03.309] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -72.5) (Atmospherics Engine (95,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:04.210] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -83.7) (Atmospherics Engine (95,172,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:05.489] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has attacked Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) with industrial welding tool (INTENT: DISARM) (DAMTYPE: FIRE) (NEWHP: -95.7) (Atmospherics Engine (97,172,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:09.593] EMOTE: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) gasps! (Atmospherics Engine (101,172,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:11.202] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has grabbed Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -97) (Supermatter Engine (101,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:11.607] EMOTE: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) gasps! (Supermatter Engine (101,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:12.369] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has thrown Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker) grab from tile in Supermatter Engine (102,174,2) towards tile at Supermatter Engine (101,178,2) (NEWHP: -97.7) (Supermatter Engine (102,174,2))
[2020-06-27 22:25:12.370] ATTACK: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope) has thrown Levi Skywalker (Supermatter Engine (102,174,2))
The only metagrudging here is you singling me out to try to fight because of past events in other rounds. This is especially evident considering the fact you PDAd me about the shift prior and how you felt about it.
You're dishonest in this appeal & wish to paint yourself as a victim, which you aren't. The bottom line is you're extremely creepy and you can't stop harassing me in game and out. We just have to look at my admin feedback thread...
Spoiler:
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You're obsessed, this isn't normal behaviour, you scare me and I hope you stay gone.
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Re: [Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

Post by Not-Dorsidarf » #567362

These are the logs for your tickets for both rounds as far as I am aware, as requested. Name of the complainant in that incident removed.

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<Round 139216 >
[2020-06-10 16:52:54.455] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hamboy/(Cash Mccune)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Hey look buddy, can you just please stop contacting [USER] please
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 - We have gotten word of you harassing them in multiple different places (Forums, Discord and Byond mostly) and it is honestly making them extremely creeped out and worried about you obessing over them. Theres trying to talk to them and then theres just outright stalking them to try and get infomation out of them, and this shit needs to stop
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 - This is your only warning on the subject, we take this behaviour very seriously

[2020-06-10 16:53:29.119] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Hamboy/(Cash Mccune): Yeah, sure. I thought they were just teasing me. The warning is enough and I'm gonna stop.
[2020-06-10 16:54:17.029] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Hamboy/(Cash Mccune): I understand it, I didnt think it was so serious. I thought it was just in playful manner.
[2020-06-10 16:55:25.080] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Hamboy/(Cash Mccune): Therefore, my apologies, to you and her, I'm gonna limit any contact between us to the absolute minimum. I didn't think [USER] would take it so seriously. I'm sorry about this. I thought he was just joking.
[2020-06-10 16:57:58.877] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Hamboy/(Cash Mccune): I didn't know [USER] was so worried about it therefore once agani, my apologies, it won't happen again, I understand the situation. I didn't know I was causing so much trouble. I thought it was just playful games. My bad.

[2020-06-10 16:58:56.795] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I don't want to have any problems, therefore I'm going to block [USER] on every possible medium we have. I take it seriously as well.

[2020-06-10 17:04:21.688] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Hey, Hamboy. If I knew it was so serious and caused so many problems for [USER], I would have stopped earlier. My bad. I didnt wan't things to get this way. I understand the situation and I'm not going to make it any worse. Sometimes on the internet you don't know whether's someone's teasing you or being serious. [USER] has many times attempted contact with me after the block so I didn't think it was serious.#Examples of contact : mocking me after my comments on chat or just replying to what I said. I didn't know it was so serious.

[2020-06-10 17:08:23.851] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Last message, seeing how seriously it was taken by [USER], I will also want that person not to initiate any contact with me unless it's really needed in round. Any kind of baits will be reported. Thanks.
[2020-06-10 17:08:49.203] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Hamboy/(Cash Mccune)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): But the main thing that is worrying is why you didn't stop it when a third party told you off about it, at that point you should have stopped contacting them then and therel. But yet it seems you carried it on which leaded to the situation we are in right now
[2020-06-10 17:10:40.376] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Hamboy/(Cash Mccune): The 3rd party comments - which I think they were - I thought they were just suggestions and everything would return to normal after some time. I'm sure if soemone spoke to me earlier about it, I would approach the matter in different way.
[2020-06-10 17:11:49.541] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Hamboy/(Cash Mccune): I dont know who the third party is. I would like to know so I get the whole picture. You see I take this seriously enough right now. I would have taken different approach if I knew it was so serious for [USER]

[2020-06-10 17:13:17.079] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Also please note that I do not want any contact from [USER] eiither. I will report any kind of contant on his part or any kinds of bait.
[2020-06-10 17:14:19.989] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Third party is me, I told you that you ought to ignore [USER] but you kept messaging them and now well, it's culminated in this. You either have no common sense or you're intentionally creepy but it's rather disheartening to see.
[2020-06-10 17:15:30.611] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope): Okay I see. I thought what you said was just a suggestion. You could have been more direct with me. I sometimes lack common sense. I should have taken your words more seriously, but also you should have been more direct when giving them.

[2020-06-10 17:16:42.313] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Given the gravity of the situation I willl do my best not to engage in any kind of conflict with said person, but I hope the same thing is done on his part.

[2020-06-10 17:21:32.103] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I would like you to also inform the second person about the gravitiy of this situation and that he should not make the situation any worse. I dont need to be told twice not to do something but I hope said person also respects the situation and wont try to bait me in any way.
[2020-06-10 17:22:51.911] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope): I also am a bit disappointed noone informed me earlier about the gravity of this situation. My approach would be vastly different if I knew it was so serious.
[2020-06-10 17:25:09.366] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope): Also, what if the attemps of contacts by [USER] after blocking me  were attempts to lead to this situation? He could hate me enough, to keep baiting me into this position.

[2020-06-10 17:26:21.713] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #7: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): And also, Doctor Brutality, you should have talked to me more directly earlier. Like really you should. You never made me realise the situation was so serious. Im disappoiinted.
[2020-06-10 17:28:40.742] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I had no idea to the extent you continued to message them and while when I told you to leave them alone I said I suggested that was the course of action you take, I also didn't expect you to circumvent blocks on multiple different messaging services to talk to them and not get the hint, I don't really take common sense for granted.
[2020-06-10 17:29:26.122] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Doctor Brutality/(Edgar Pope): Also Doctor Brutality I was the first one to reach out to you about the whole situation. I would never have thought that it would have been used against me. A quick stern talk from you would have stopped this shit in tracks. Like one direct telling to me about it would close this whole ordeal.

<Round 139216 ends shortly after this>

<Round 139219 begins>

[2020-06-10 17:32:59.360] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Ikoden/(Ikoden): Also. If [USER] reached out to me with the message he delivered to you via some third party we wouldnt be here. I think he was baiting me into this situation. I would also like you to inform him I dont take any criminal actions done against me lightly, any kind of doxxing, defemation or whatever will be reported to  proper authorities.

[2020-06-10 17:37:04.776] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I know this is just a 2D spess game, but the accusations that [USER] made against me are very serious. I will defend myself in any way possible as I know a little bit about law. This is the final message of this shitshow. I hope we wont have to talk about it again. Cheers.
[2020-06-10 17:44:23.160] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Hey there Ikoden, 
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 - Got a minute to talk about what's happening between you and [USER]?
[2020-06-10 17:44:34.005] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): Sure.
[2020-06-10 17:45:08.666] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): From the moment Hamboy messaged me Im taking the thing ultra seriously.
[2020-06-10 17:46:38.185] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I would like this think to end in both me and [USER] being able to play the game without more interaction than needed.
[2020-06-10 17:46:58.811] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): thing*
[2020-06-10 17:48:14.214] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I really do not have any malicious intentions. I want it to end as peacefully as possible.

[2020-06-10 17:48:55.529] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): Feel free to ask any questions.
[2020-06-10 17:50:04.242] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): Even though I think [USER] purposelly baited me into this situation I do not have any bad feelings towards him.

[2020-06-10 17:53:19.914] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): But given how seriously [USER] reacted to this situation I have to react as seriously as well, if [USER] commits any acts that could be treated as criminal under the law of US or EU, Im going to defend myself. Words have consequences.
[2020-06-10 17:56:34.845] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I'm just gonna state it plain: both [USER] and an admin have already asked you to stop contacting [USER]. I don't know the particulars of the situation and to be honest with you, they don't matter.
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 - The nature and volume of your contact with [USER] has crossed the threshold into harassment.
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 - If you continue to contact [USER] against their wishes we will permaban you from both the game and the discord.

[2020-06-10 17:57:07.621] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): It seems clear enough for me. Im not going to contact him in anyway.
[2020-06-10 17:58:22.243] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I also would like to state I understand the gravity of the situation. I will watch every word and movement of mine as not to harras [USER]. But I also want [USER] not to harass me in any way, is it clear?
[2020-06-10 17:59:27.381] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I think it's safe to say that the best way forward is for the two of you to avoid each other.
[2020-06-10 18:01:07.058] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I agree with it. I respect your decision but I would also like you to notify the second party, that I want her not to harrass me in any way as well. None. I will report any kind of harassment coming from [USER]
[2020-06-10 18:02:20.931] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I don't want it to be one sided. I don't want the situations to be used only against me. He should be aware that he shouldn't fuck me with either.
[2020-06-10 18:03:09.999] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I've instructed [USER] to avoid you as well.
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 - Please don't make me reget giving you another chance.

[2020-06-10 18:03:21.526] ADMINPRIVATE: Ticket #3: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): I say it because [USER] seems like a person who would run away from consequences of his actions.
[2020-06-10 18:03:47.599] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): I think we reached a truce here. I hope we won't have to talk about it again. Thank you for being a mediatyor Phuzzylodgik.
[2020-06-10 18:03:51.688] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers)->Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker): To be clear: we're now done talking about [USER].
[2020-06-10 18:04:15.925] ADMINPRIVATE: PM: Ikoden/(Levi Skywalker)->Phuzzylodgik/(Carl Jowers): Yes, we are. Thank you for taking your time to solve this situation. I appreciate it.

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Post by FloranOtten » #567372

I would like to point out that catfishing is not a crime. It can be considered fraud if money changes hands, but that would be something else.
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Post by zxaber » #567375

Ikoden wrote:https://www.hg.org/legal-articles/catfi ... raud-48440 Here is a good read about the topic.
As per your own link, lying about your identity is only legally an issue in conjunction with other crimes. If this person actually committed a crime in conjuction with their lie, I'd encourage you to speak in private to an admin.

Disconnected from other criminal activity, simply lying over the internet is not a crime in itself.
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Post by Cobby » #567381

Reminder if you post logs you are REQUIRED to include the link (at the least raw so other admins can view it).
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Re: [Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

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kieth4 wrote: infrequently shitting yourself is fine imo
There is a lot of very bizarre nonsense being talked on this forum. I shall now remain silent and logoff until my points are vindicated.
Player who complainted over being killed for looting cap office wrote: Sun Jul 30, 2023 1:33 am Hey there, I'm Virescent, the super evil person who made the stupid appeal and didn't think it through enough. Just came here to say: screech, retards. Screech and writhe like the worms you are. Your pathetic little cries will keep echoing around for a while before quietting down. There is one great outcome from this: I rised up the blood pressure of some of you shitheads and lowered your lifespan. I'm honestly tempted to do this more often just to see you screech and writhe more, but that wouldn't be cool of me. So come on haters, show me some more of your high blood pressure please. 🖕🖕🖕
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Post by Coconutwarrior97 » #567412

In the first incident you were warned to stop harassing the player, since you continued to try to contact them via Discord, Byond, and Forums against their wishes. During your ahelp exchange regarding the topic you never indicated there was any kind of cat fishing going on, not that its something that's rule breaking on its own.
If you feel there is sensitive information that's been missed that is rule breaking I encourage you to PM me here so that I can look over it.

After you repeatedly made DoctorBrutality uncomfortable they blocked you on discord, which you then circumvented by asking another player on the discord to ping them for you, which they did. You continued this behavior in game, by sending them two paragraphs of text via PDA roundstart, then ran up to them and flashed them leading to a fight in which they defended themselves, causing their arm to be cut off and you to killed by them.
There is absolutely no problem with DoctorBrutality's behavior, and you are the one who metagrudged them along with the harassment that situation entailed.
a person posted screenshot of my private talk with USER. If he had access to these screenshots, I may have as well been doxxed with other pics. So now doxxing and catfishing are okay?
I have no idea how posting screenshots of DMs is doxxing, because it most definitely is not.

From what I have observed you seem to have constructed a narrative where you are the one who is the victim, while in fact you have repeatedly sought out these individuals, against their wishes. In both cases, circumventing a discord block, and obsessing over them to the point it carried over in game, with a clear cut case of meta grudging in DoctorBrutality's case.

I will hold off on giving a final ruling until you provide me your evidence of the first individual's supposed rule breaking behavior via Forum PM. However, so far, I don't see any sign that I should unban you.
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Post by Arianya » #567478

Locked while I clean up a bunch of peanut posting.

Unlocked!

As a reminder, this is not a feedback or character witness thread. It is a ban appeal. It falls under ban appeal rules as normal and that includes peanut policy. I appreciate the desire to stick up for people you like (on either side of this!) but I shouldn't have to go at any thread with a hatchet.

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Post by Arianya » #567508

I was leaning on leaving this thread alone until a headmin or a global mod had a chance to review but I'm going to draw the line at posting medical prescriptions. Neither the place nor the time for such info and I think everyone could use a chance to step away and breathe.

Locking this and deleting peanut posts until a headmin has a chance to review the ban and give their opinion on it.

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Re: [Coconutwarrior97] Ikoden - ban for harassment

Post by Coconutwarrior97 » #567925

I'm going to deny this appeal.

I want to address a few points as well,

Catfishing is not against the rules on its own. I also have seen no evidence that this occurred.

Purposefully withholding information relevant in an ahelp is misleading and is rule-breaking. That is the reason Dorsidwarf brought it up. However, I don't think that it was purposeful in your discussion with Hamboy.

Doctorbrutality in no way misrepresented anything, and I looked through discord logs finding no evidence of dog-whistling on their, or anyone else's part. No posts relevant to this situation were deleted either.
I really think I may have Aspergers. I exhibit fuckton of traits. For example crossing boundaries or acting weird I also have social anxiety that I struggled with my whole life.
I am sympathetic to this, but at the end of the day you are still responsible for your actions.

You harassed two players, the first time you were given a clear and stern warning that harassment is unacceptable. Then you did it again. I am denying this appeal.
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