[Cedarbridge] Drovidi Corv - The Big Bad Validhunter
Posted: Sat Jan 24, 2015 8:50 am
Byond account and character name: Drovidi Corv/Terry Drovidi
Banning admin: Cedarbridge
Ban Type: Vanilla
Ban reason and length: Dayban. "Non-antag murder. Skipped escalation to spear a guy to death for hitting the chemistry windows."
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2:30ish EST
Your side of the story:
I was testing in medicine one long cult round pretty uneventfully, after being involuntarily assigned to Chemist. I ignored most of the drama going on in medical until an unknown wielding a spear started breaking through the south chemistry window going into medical. I approached the door, and he ran off, but was still in medical, so I called for security. Security, presumably wasn't available, because it had been a rather heated cult round. I went back to chemistry, and the unknown (later revealed to be Rob Nordley) came back again, so, this time, I went after him to get him out of medical. I disarmed him, roughed him up along with some of medical, and left him out of the medbay, telling him to get lost. At that time, more or less exactly, River used a talisman on one of the guys who'd been helping me get him out of medical, so I'd planned to turn my attention to him, but as soon as Rob got up, he pushed me down and immediately went back at me with the spear. I punched him, took his spear, and hit him once more to bring him to critical, then used the spear to help the Chaplain, who was being attacked by cultists. Went back to making medicine after the fight, got bwoinked, and the rest is history. My arguments to Cedarbridge, as well as a good picture of what went on, are in the logs. Note that there are were two unknowns in the fight, one being Rob and one being someone else whom I don't remember.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
The encounter between me and rob was proper escalation. He ran away once, and I called security. He came back, and I disarmed him, injured him, and removed him from medical. A large fight with antagonists started, and during that fight, while I was trying to help defend the Chaplain, after I had removed him from medical and asked him to leave, he attacked me. I didn't miss any opportunity to get rid of him without removing him from the round, save having prepared sedatives or lube in advance. I would have cloned him if all were ideal- security there to pick him up, and an excess of medical resources, but there was a backlog at the cloner, untreated injured, and a very busy/mostly dead security force. His actions - mainly attacking me during a fight with cultists, but also including repeatedly and unapologeticly trying to break into chemistry with a spear as an unknown, gave me some reason to think that he was a cultist, so I didn't make any attempts to clone him.
Unabridged Logs (I feel like there should be a better way to do this.)
I understand that pulling isn't logged, so I'd appreciate if Maximus could confirm that we really were trying to kick Rob out of the medbay, which Cedar seemed to doubt, and that the more lethal stuff came only after we tried nonlethally and even nonharmfully to get rid of him. The logs do confirm, though, that he wasn't unconscious between the fight with the cultists as Cedarbridge insisted, but was attacking me during the fight with the cultists, that I didn't 'disarm him after he got on a table,' but after he had been wailing on the windows for a good long while.
As an aside, I felt that the banning admin was rather inflexible, and seemed to be intent on either getting a mea culpa or giving a ban. He seemed convinced that I'd gone out looking for trouble and was a bad person, and it felt rather like his questions were used as ammunition for reasons to apply a ban. He didn't seem to honestly consider my answers to those questions, and I suspect he ignored my suggestion that he talk to a witness. I don't know exactly how the procedure works on appeals with regards to who reviews what, but I'd appreciate for someone other than Cedarbridge to decide this.
Banning admin: Cedarbridge
Ban Type: Vanilla
Ban reason and length: Dayban. "Non-antag murder. Skipped escalation to spear a guy to death for hitting the chemistry windows."
Time ban was placed (including time zone): 2:30ish EST
Your side of the story:
I was testing in medicine one long cult round pretty uneventfully, after being involuntarily assigned to Chemist. I ignored most of the drama going on in medical until an unknown wielding a spear started breaking through the south chemistry window going into medical. I approached the door, and he ran off, but was still in medical, so I called for security. Security, presumably wasn't available, because it had been a rather heated cult round. I went back to chemistry, and the unknown (later revealed to be Rob Nordley) came back again, so, this time, I went after him to get him out of medical. I disarmed him, roughed him up along with some of medical, and left him out of the medbay, telling him to get lost. At that time, more or less exactly, River used a talisman on one of the guys who'd been helping me get him out of medical, so I'd planned to turn my attention to him, but as soon as Rob got up, he pushed me down and immediately went back at me with the spear. I punched him, took his spear, and hit him once more to bring him to critical, then used the spear to help the Chaplain, who was being attacked by cultists. Went back to making medicine after the fight, got bwoinked, and the rest is history. My arguments to Cedarbridge, as well as a good picture of what went on, are in the logs. Note that there are were two unknowns in the fight, one being Rob and one being someone else whom I don't remember.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
The encounter between me and rob was proper escalation. He ran away once, and I called security. He came back, and I disarmed him, injured him, and removed him from medical. A large fight with antagonists started, and during that fight, while I was trying to help defend the Chaplain, after I had removed him from medical and asked him to leave, he attacked me. I didn't miss any opportunity to get rid of him without removing him from the round, save having prepared sedatives or lube in advance. I would have cloned him if all were ideal- security there to pick him up, and an excess of medical resources, but there was a backlog at the cloner, untreated injured, and a very busy/mostly dead security force. His actions - mainly attacking me during a fight with cultists, but also including repeatedly and unapologeticly trying to break into chemistry with a spear as an unknown, gave me some reason to think that he was a cultist, so I didn't make any attempts to clone him.
Unabridged Logs (I feel like there should be a better way to do this.)
I understand that pulling isn't logged, so I'd appreciate if Maximus could confirm that we really were trying to kick Rob out of the medbay, which Cedar seemed to doubt, and that the more lethal stuff came only after we tried nonlethally and even nonharmfully to get rid of him. The logs do confirm, though, that he wasn't unconscious between the fight with the cultists as Cedarbridge insisted, but was attacking me during the fight with the cultists, that I didn't 'disarm him after he got on a table,' but after he had been wailing on the windows for a good long while.
As an aside, I felt that the banning admin was rather inflexible, and seemed to be intent on either getting a mea culpa or giving a ban. He seemed convinced that I'd gone out looking for trouble and was a bad person, and it felt rather like his questions were used as ammunition for reasons to apply a ban. He didn't seem to honestly consider my answers to those questions, and I suspect he ignored my suggestion that he talk to a witness. I don't know exactly how the procedure works on appeals with regards to who reviews what, but I'd appreciate for someone other than Cedarbridge to decide this.