[<Bdudy>] CataChaos - Ban note appeal
Posted: Thu Nov 12, 2020 2:33 am
BYOND account: CataChaos
Character name: Thes Pian
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 1 day
Ban reason: As a non-antag began to strip an SSD player. When the player came back and retaliated with a few punches, disablered and threw them off the shuttle.
Time ban was placed: 2020-11-13 01:36:34
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 150132
Your side of the story: I joined the round about ten minutes after it started, and things were a bit crazy. People were killing each other everywhere and there were nuke ops. Command was pretty much no where to be found. Captain (or someone in captains Hardsuit) stunned me and killed me and I came to several minutes later revived in medbay with no clothes. By this point the entire station was plasma flooded and there were fires everywhere. I purchased some nurses scrubs and followed a bunch of people through maint where we ended up having to run through a plasma flood fire to get to evac (twice). In the process I lost my clothes again. On the shuttle people were milling about shoving people. As people on the shuttle typically do. I walked around the shuttle a few times looking for some loose clothing, but didn't find any and the few corpses on the shuttle weren't wearing uniforms. One person without an ID was just vibing off in their own corner, and I mistook them as SSD. So I walked up to them and began to strip them. After I got their clothes off, they came back and shoved me into a wall knocking me down. I tried to say I needed your clothes quickly, and I was going to apologize and give their clothes back. But they began to beat me. They hit me a few times, and I so I drew my disabler and disabled them. Because I had previously lost all my clothes I lost my cuffs which had been in my pocket, and because the round had like 30 seconds left in it at this point (we were nearly to centcomm) I just decided to space the guy. So I did. They got violent with me first afterall.
Why you think you should be unbanned: They instigated violence first. I would have apologized and given the clothes back after realizing they weren't afk if they had simply used words. That being said, had I been killed as was their intention I wouldn't have complained as I clearly instigated the issue and not them. I was banned because the admin thought my actions escalated too drastically (paraphrasing, this is pretty much what the admin said but I don't remember the wording.) I don't really interpret my actions as breaking escalation policy as outlined in the rules on the TGSTATION wiki. In fact in the escalation policy it says "If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die". I'm not sure why admins chose to get involved at all. We had less than a minute left in the round, and we had been on the shuttle. What happened was an In character issue, and banning me for it is a bit much. I don't think this will be resolved before my ban is even up, so this is really just appealing the note that will be left from the ban.
References of good conduct: I have several hundred hours on TG station, and have played off and on for a couple years. I play regularly and abide by the rules when I play, I dont really have any references other than that.
No bad blood to the admin, or the other party involved. Not trying to stir anything up by posting this. I just didn't think the ban was right. So please don't take anything said in the post disrespectfully.
Character name: Thes Pian
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 1 day
Ban reason: As a non-antag began to strip an SSD player. When the player came back and retaliated with a few punches, disablered and threw them off the shuttle.
Time ban was placed: 2020-11-13 01:36:34
Server you were playing on when banned: Bagil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 150132
Your side of the story: I joined the round about ten minutes after it started, and things were a bit crazy. People were killing each other everywhere and there were nuke ops. Command was pretty much no where to be found. Captain (or someone in captains Hardsuit) stunned me and killed me and I came to several minutes later revived in medbay with no clothes. By this point the entire station was plasma flooded and there were fires everywhere. I purchased some nurses scrubs and followed a bunch of people through maint where we ended up having to run through a plasma flood fire to get to evac (twice). In the process I lost my clothes again. On the shuttle people were milling about shoving people. As people on the shuttle typically do. I walked around the shuttle a few times looking for some loose clothing, but didn't find any and the few corpses on the shuttle weren't wearing uniforms. One person without an ID was just vibing off in their own corner, and I mistook them as SSD. So I walked up to them and began to strip them. After I got their clothes off, they came back and shoved me into a wall knocking me down. I tried to say I needed your clothes quickly, and I was going to apologize and give their clothes back. But they began to beat me. They hit me a few times, and I so I drew my disabler and disabled them. Because I had previously lost all my clothes I lost my cuffs which had been in my pocket, and because the round had like 30 seconds left in it at this point (we were nearly to centcomm) I just decided to space the guy. So I did. They got violent with me first afterall.
Why you think you should be unbanned: They instigated violence first. I would have apologized and given the clothes back after realizing they weren't afk if they had simply used words. That being said, had I been killed as was their intention I wouldn't have complained as I clearly instigated the issue and not them. I was banned because the admin thought my actions escalated too drastically (paraphrasing, this is pretty much what the admin said but I don't remember the wording.) I don't really interpret my actions as breaking escalation policy as outlined in the rules on the TGSTATION wiki. In fact in the escalation policy it says "If you choose to retaliate with violence, you in turn have opened yourself up to violence. If you choose this route, do not expect admins to help you out if you die". I'm not sure why admins chose to get involved at all. We had less than a minute left in the round, and we had been on the shuttle. What happened was an In character issue, and banning me for it is a bit much. I don't think this will be resolved before my ban is even up, so this is really just appealing the note that will be left from the ban.
References of good conduct: I have several hundred hours on TG station, and have played off and on for a couple years. I play regularly and abide by the rules when I play, I dont really have any references other than that.
No bad blood to the admin, or the other party involved. Not trying to stir anything up by posting this. I just didn't think the ban was right. So please don't take anything said in the post disrespectfully.