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Discord username: Edge#3609
Banning admin: Hulkmania
Ban reason:
Time ban was placed: 5 days ago? 6? something like that
Your side of the story: I shitposted in #politics-containment, basically just throwing random videos and gifs, and i got banned supposedly for being transphobic/homophobic/rascist..
Why you think you should be unbanned: ..which is true, some of these memes were trans/homophobic / rascist, but you must understand me, i wasn't insulting anybody, i wasn't pinging someone and saying their whole family should die for who they are, if at all, i was throwing offensive content into the ether, not trying to offend someone in particular, if someone did get offended, than that's fine i understand the nature of these images were not family friendly, but i didn't post it in general channel, or some other channel. i posted these memes in politics-containment which is, as the name implies a containment channel for retarded shit like this. Now if you think im transphobic / rascist / homophobic that's fine i don't care, but you cannot claim i was targeting someone or making threats towards someone, unlike the last time i was banned, where i pinged a staff member with a transphobic video while insulting their mum, i didn't cross any lines here. i didn't offend anyone (to my knowledge), i didn't target anyone and i didn't intend to. If i remember correctly noone was mad at me shitposting either. This situation could have been resolved with any of the admins (There were few in the chat). Now hulk, i understand everyone can have a bad day in a while, but cmon man, there isn't a rule against throwin insults at the air, what is the justification against banning slightly edgy shitposting that isn't targetting anyone in particular?

actual ban reason



seasons greetings,
bobbah 'bee' brown

I feel that it's important to note that Edge has been toeing rule 11 for a while now, specifically against Romani peoples, most discussion happening in politics containment.

If we're talking about rule 11, this guy has a fucking moon man avatar.

https://www.adl.org/education/reference ... s/moon-man

Hello! I just wanted to help you (and anybody else reading this thread) understand our position on these rules and enforcing them should you find yourself unbanned by the banning admin or headmins.

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct#Rule_11_.28Bigotry.29_Enforcement_Guidelines wrote: Bigotry - noun
big·​ot·​ry | \ˈbi-gə-trē\
acts or beliefs characteristic of a bigot
Bigot - noun
big·​ot | \ˈbi-gət\
One who regards or treats the members of a group (such as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

When deciding rather or not to enforce this rule on a player, as well as how severe of an enforcement, please concider the following questions:

• Are they expressing hatred or intolerance toward a protected group (race, sex, gender, orientation (note: both majorities and minorities count))?
• How likely are they to know that their actions/words are expressing hatred or intolerance toward a protected group?
• Assuming they read and remember the rules, how likely are they to make the connection that their conduct is not allowed? (Not all of our players come from first world country with a culture that places an emphasis on promoting tolerance and sensitivity)
• Have they tried to previously claim instances were accidental references but they just keep accidentally being a bigot?

It's ok to give somebody a warning or a lighter punishment at first and crack down harder if they keep it up.
And finally, remember, the goal is to remove the 'expression' of bigotry from the community, not to establish a thought crime against bigots, they can feel how ever they want as long as they can keep it to themselves.

That main things I want to draw your attention to is bullet point 1, as well as the finishing thoughts.

For example, posting a noose meme in the middle of a discussion about femboys vs transexuals, that came 10 minutes after you posted a meme about trans suicide seems like pretty clear expression of hatred or intolerance toward a protected group (context matters).

Also, while I was looking at your posts to the dungeon, I wanted to draw your attention to another rule, that while not being the main reason why you got banned, likely contributed to it:

discord rules wrote:3: Discord is for discourse to happen. Do not disrupt the ability to hold a conversation. This includes spam, excessive embeds, and so on. Enclose links with < > to hide embeds.

There is a major distinction between what people actually believe and what they post on the internet. i mean fuck, if you had ever talked to me you'd understand that i support all the people yall proclaim i hate.

bobbahbrown wrote:actual ban reason



seasons greetings,
bobbah 'bee' brown

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thank you for giving me the screenshot, gonna update the reason

Vekter wrote:I feel that it's important to note that Edge has been toeing rule 11 for a while now, specifically against Romani peoples, most discussion happening in politics containment.

romani people? i don't remember ever having a discussion about romani's where i said something negative about them.

EdgeLord_exe wrote:There is a major distinction between what people actually believe and what they post on the internet. i mean fuck, if you had ever talked to me you'd understand that i support all the people yall proclaim i hate.

Acting as a conduit for /pol/ content direct to a community that doesn't tolerate it doesn't make this distinction worthwhile. Your actions are that of someone pushing anti-semitic, transphobic and bigoted ideas into a community that isn't interested in that shit. No one is giving any consideration to your personal beliefs in the same way we don't give any consideration to the beliefs of a member of the KKK who is genuinely just in it for a sense of community, fun BBQs and invigorating motivational speeches but otherwise appears externally to the rest of the world as just another member of the KKK.

I've personally been telling you to stop this shit for months and you keep doing it. You have no standing to be surprised by this outcome.

I AM A BIG DUMB IDIOT WHO DOESN'T UNDERSTAND HOW DISCORD SEARCH WORKS

Also the irony of "Gypsy isn't a slur" directly after "Gypsy means scammer/thief" is epic[/quote]

The fuck i don't remember ever writing any of that shit. are you sure this is me?

I'm 99.99% sure this is someone else.

EDIT: apparently this is me? i don't remember ever writing that. nor do i agree with what i've written back then. i might have been drunk i really don't remember writing any of that, and am disgusted at myself if it was me.

EDIT 2: look i guess i was right, this is unverifiable.

Also the irony of "Gypsy isn't a slur" directly after "Gypsy means scammer/thief" is epic

The fuck i don't remember ever writing any of that shit. are you sure this is me?

I'm 99.99% sure this is someone else.

EDIT: apparently this is me? i don't remember ever writing that. nor do i agree with what i've written back then. i might have been drunk i really don't remember writing any of that, and am disgusted at myself.

You are 100% right those comments aren't verifiable

You're on the block for dumb memes not dumb opinions. Another case of the stickymayhem admin misconduct cabal attempting to destroy an innocent player. Somebody stop him please

EdgeLord_exe wrote:

Also the irony of "Gypsy isn't a slur" directly after "Gypsy means scammer/thief" is epic

The fuck i don't remember ever writing any of that shit. are you sure this is me?

I'm 99.99% sure this is someone else.

EDIT: apparently this is me? i don't remember ever writing that. nor do i agree with what i've written back then. i might have been drunk i really don't remember writing any of that, and am disgusted at myself if it was me.

EDIT 2: look i guess i was right, this is unverifiable.

This is not you, your original account Edge#3609 exists and your posts wouldn't show as "Deleted User".

This is getting out of hand. I'm locking this thread until Hulk is able to reply. Take your issues to a Peanut thread.

Mod edit: Peanuts removed, warnings issued, unlocking

EdgeLord_exe wrote:There is a major distinction between what people actually believe and what they post on the internet. i mean fuck, if you had ever talked to me you'd understand that i support all the people yall proclaim i hate.

It seems like you are arguing that we should make Rule 11 a thought crime. That's not how I plan to run our community, from that same post you replied to:

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct#Rule_11_.28Bigotry.29_Enforcement_Guidelines wrote: And finally, remember, the goal is to remove the 'expression' of bigotry from the community, not to establish a thought crime against bigots

MrStonedOne wrote:

EdgeLord_exe wrote:There is a major distinction between what people actually believe and what they post on the internet. i mean fuck, if you had ever talked to me you'd understand that i support all the people yall proclaim i hate.

It seems like you are arguing that we should make Rule 11 a thought crime. That's not how I plan to run our community, from that same post you replied to:

https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Admin_Conduct#Rule_11_.28Bigotry.29_Enforcement_Guidelines wrote: And finally, remember, the goal is to remove the 'expression' of bigotry from the community, not to establish a thought crime against bigots

Oh well i think i misunderstood the intention behind rule 11, my bad.

Anyways

I think i'm a net positive for tg community, my additions have been really well recieved and being in TGcord makes it a lot easier to coordinate coding and making PR's.

I'm tired in this back and forth between admins. At this point, the admin that decides wether to unban me or to keep me banned has already decided, since all the cards have been revealed. There is no point of keeping this going.

If you really don't want me in your community that's fine, just tell me. If so i will not bother you again.

EdgeLord_exe wrote: my additions have been really well recieved and being in TGcord makes it a lot easier to coordinate coding and making PR's.

hi, i just wanna note here, this isn't a legitimate reason to be unbanned as there is a strict separation of codebase and server, the two are independent entities of eachother, and others who have tried using this method to get unbanned in the past were rejected(myself included, a long time ago)

if you need to coordinate pull requests, use #coderbus on irc.rizon.net for /tg/station specific stuff, or the coderbus discord for general SS13 development

Taking this over for hulk, you've clearly violated rule 11 here and I see no reason to accept this appeal. Denied.