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BryceF
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Ban Appeal

Post by BryceF » #586972

The admin who banned me: Wesoda24

BYOND Account: BryceF
Character Name: Caden Neal
Ban Type: Banned from the server
Ban Length: 1 week
Ban Reason: "Abused ghost roles to metagrudge"
Time the ban took place: Only time I can see is 07:07:01
The server I was banned on at the time: Sybil
Round ID: 52121

This is my whole side of the story, which the admin couldn't see because the message got cut off.

I went onto the station and wanted to chill, but I saw the reactions of most people and thought, "I'm gonna get hunted down by these greytiders." With that in mind, I wanted to go to Perma because it was the most secluded area from the station. I went to sec and asked the HoS to put me in Perma, I saw his original reaction and his typing and though to myself, "This is probably going to be an issue, he might try and have me killed as I am a huge threat to the station." Once he brought me to Perma I killed him because of the reason stated prior, (I would have no grudge against him as in my last life he did nothing of harm to me.) Once I killed the HoS I saw the detective come in right after, I then killed him as well and was planning on dragging both of their bodies into Perma where they couldn't be found, so that way HoS and detective couldn't later have me killed, (I didn't only drag HoS into Perma to hide him, I also dragged the detective too, but couldn't hide him in a good spot before borgs came and saw everything.) That's when I really started to panic, cause I was thinking, "Damnit all of security is gonna be on to me because of the detective being revived." Once I told him I was sorry about the misunderstanding I thought we were chill and if I was gonna allow the detective to be revived I might as well allow the HoS, that is when I brought HoS body back to the mediborg. I was a lavaland creature, named herald, note that in my prior life the HoS never did anything to me, and I was suspected of metagrudging the HoS.

I think I should return because I honestly don't play anything else, but ss13 and my ban was pretty bullshit, even the HoS seemed chill when he was killed and I had no reason to hold any sort of grudge on the HoS.

I don't really play on any other servers, except for TG.
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wesoda25
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Re: Ban Appeal

Post by wesoda25 » #586999

Couple things that aren't quite right in this appeal. You did have interactions with the HOS in your prior life, [Edit: My bad, I misread what you said. You're correct in saying that they never touched you during the round] and they were the one who actually ahelped.

Logs for your interactions with them when you were a prisoner:
Spoiler:
[2021-01-10 05:14:13.289] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:13.348] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 100) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:13.784] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 86) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:13.871] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 86) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:14.343] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 72) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:14.445] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 72) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:15.086] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 58) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:15.175] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 58) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:15.615] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 44) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:15.709] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 44) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:16.170] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 30) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:16.364] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 30) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:16.785] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 16) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:16.873] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 16) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:17.500] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has fired at Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser from Brig (NEWHP: 2) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:17.595] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the laser (NEWHP: 2) (Brig (98,170,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:19.461] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has grabbed Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) passive grab (NEWHP: -12) (Brig (98,169,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:20.857] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has attacked Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with spear (Wielded) (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -26.4) (Brig (98,171,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:22.232] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has attacked Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with spear (Wielded) (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -40.8) (Brig (98,173,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:25.205] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has attacked Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with spear (Wielded) (INTENT: HELP) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -55.9) (Brig (98,176,2))
[2021-01-10 05:14:48.254] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has grabbed Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -61.2) (Prison Wing (99,183,2))
And lets look at your interactions with another member of security for good measure.
Spoiler:
[2021-01-10 05:15:30.350] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has threw and hit BryceF/(Caden Neal) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 43.5) (Prison Wing (90,183,2))
[2021-01-10 05:15:31.273] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has kicks IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 78.2) (Prison Wing (88,183,2))
[2021-01-10 05:15:31.273] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has shoved IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) (NEWHP: 78.2) (Prison Wing (88,183,2))
[2021-01-10 05:15:33.242] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has stunned IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) (NEWHP: 78.2) (Prison Wing (89,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:15:36.067] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has grabbed IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) passive grab (NEWHP: 78.2) (Prison Wing (89,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:15:53.703] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has threw and hit BryceF/(Caden Neal) with the stun baton (NEWHP: 36.5) (Prison Wing (83,197,2))
[2021-01-10 05:15:58.674] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has stunned BryceF/(Caden Neal) (NEWHP: 29.5) (Prison Wing (82,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:02.968] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has stunned BryceF/(Caden Neal) (NEWHP: 29.5) (Prison Wing (81,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:04.222] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has grabbed BryceF/(Caden Neal) passive grab (NEWHP: 29.5) (Prison Wing (81,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:05.772] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has grabbed BryceF/(Caden Neal) aggressive grab (NEWHP: 29.5) (Prison Wing (83,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:07.171] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has attempted to neck grab BryceF/(Caden Neal) neck grab (NEWHP: 29.5) (Prison Wing (83,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:11.471] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has grabbed BryceF/(Caden Neal) neck grab (NEWHP: 29.5) (Prison Wing (83,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:12.911] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has suffered: Joint Dislocation | Damage: 30 (rolled 52/116.942) (Prison Wing (83,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:12.914] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has head slammed BryceF/(Caden Neal) against the table (NEWHP: -0.5) (Prison Wing (83,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:15.933] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has grabbed BryceF/(Caden Neal) passive grab (NEWHP: -0.5) (Prison Wing (84,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:16.163] ATTACK: A Samaritan/(Peter Collier) has failed to handcuff BryceF/(Caden Neal) (NEWHP: -0.5) (Prison Wing (82,201,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:17.159] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has attacked BryceF/(Caden Neal) with stun baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -10.5) (Prison Wing (85,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:18.322] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has attacked BryceF/(Caden Neal) with stun baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -20.5) (Prison Wing (85,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:19.512] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has attacked BryceF/(Caden Neal) with stun baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -30.5) (Prison Wing (85,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:20.654] ATTACK: A Samaritan/(Peter Collier) has attempted to handcuff BryceF/(Caden Neal) (NEWHP: -30.5) (Prison Wing (83,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:20.741] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has attacked BryceF/(Caden Neal) with stun baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -40.5) (Prison Wing (85,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:21.955] ATTACK: IcePacks/(Dr. Paxium LXIX) has attacked BryceF/(Caden Neal) with stun baton (INTENT: HARM) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -50.5) (Prison Wing (85,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:23.035] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) Has succumbed to death with -50.5 points of health! (Prison Wing (84,200,2))
[2021-01-10 05:16:23.040] ATTACK: BryceF/(Caden Neal) has died (BRUTE: 111.5, BURN: 52, TOX: 0, OXY: 49.5, CLONE: 0) (Prison Wing (84,200,2))
Logs: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... nd-153931/

To summarize, you were (for whatever reason) engaged in all out warfare with security, which ended up in you getting your shit kicked in. You then spawn back in as a herald, defeat the miner who awoke you, and manage to get onboard station thanks to another miner. You then conveniently think of an excuse to put yourself in a position to exact revenge on everyone who wronged you earlier in the round. I really think your words are more convincing than mine:
I went onto the station and wanted to chill, but I saw the reactions of most people and thought, "I'm gonna get hunted down by these greytiders." With that in mind, I wanted to go to Perma because it was the most secluded area from the station. I went to sec and asked the HoS to put me in Perma, I saw his original reaction and his typing and though to myself, "This is probably going to be an issue, he might try and have me killed as I am a huge threat to the station." Once he brought me to Perma I killed him because of the reason stated prior, (I would have no grudge against him as in my last life he did nothing of harm to me.)
I think all of this paints a pretty obvious picture of metagrudging. The reason the ban was so long is because you have been banned in the past for metagrudging, just over a month ago. As a Herald you were an antag, but precedent states that abusing ghost roles to get revenge on people is against the rules:
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All that being said, I was the only admin online at the time and arrived pretty late to the party, and as such didn't have the luxury of checking logs as thoroughly as I would have liked. I'll do that sometime soon and get back to you with my decision.
Last edited by wesoda25 on Tue Jan 12, 2021 6:48 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Ban Appeal

Post by wesoda25 » #587016

Looked more into the logs (same source)between you getting back on the station, and attacking HOS.

Prior to this conversation with the HOS you did not attack anyone.
Spoiler:
[2021-01-10 05:56:18.645] SAY: 05:56:18.645] SAY: BryceF/(herald) "HEY" (Fore Primary Hallway (109,159,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:20.274] SAY: 05:56:20.274] SAY: BryceF/(herald) "HOS" (Fore Primary Hallway (109,160,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:26.333] SAY: 05:56:26.333] SAY: BryceF/(herald) "CAN I HAVE PERMA" (Fore Primary Hallway (110,160,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:29.391] SAY: 05:56:29.391] SAY: Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) "what" (Brig (113,165,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:32.658] SAY: 05:56:32.658] SAY: Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) "what the fuck are you" (Brig (112,165,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:32.701] SAY: 05:56:32.701] SAY: BryceF/(herald) "Can i Have perma" (Fore Primary Hallway (110,160,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:35.160] SAY: 05:56:35.160] SAY: BryceF/(herald) "as my home" (Fore Primary Hallway (110,160,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:40.707] SAY: 05:56:40.707] SAY: Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) "uhhh" (Brig (110,165,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:42.193] SAY: 05:56:42.193] SAY: Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) "okay" (Brig (110,165,2))
[2021-01-10 05:56:45.333] SAY: 05:56:45.333] SAY: BryceF/(herald) "yay" (Fore Primary Hallway (110,160,2))
hos takes you to perma, you then start attacking them
[2021-01-10 05:57:10.829] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:10.831] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the death bolt (NEWHP: 100) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:10.832] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:10.834] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the death bolt (NEWHP: 80) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:10.835] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:10.837] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the death bolt (NEWHP: 65) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.172] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.175] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the death bolt (NEWHP: 45) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.176] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.180] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the death bolt (NEWHP: 25) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.182] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.184] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has shot Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) with the death bolt (NEWHP: 10) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.449] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.450] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:11.451] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has fired at [floor] with the death bolt from Prison Wing (Prison Wing (94,182,2))[2021-01-10 05:57:12.449] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has attacked Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) (NEWHP: -8.2) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:13.725] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has attacked Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) (NEWHP: -17.2) (Prison Wing (94,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:15.243] ATTACK: BryceF/(herald) has attacked Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) (NEWHP: -26.2) (Prison Wing (95,182,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:28.148] WHISPER: 05:57:28.148] WHISPER: Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) "I should have expected that" (Prison Wing (96,183,2))
[2021-01-10 05:57:28.153] EMOTE: 05:57:28.153] EMOTE: Yenwodyah/(Athena Hunt) seizes up and falls limp, her eyes dead and lifeless... (Prison Wing (96,183,2))
Despite your flavor text saying otherwise, you were perfectly neutral towards the crew upon getting on the station. In minutes you found a way to get mostly alone with the HOS, and then killed them - they never touched you once during all of this (nor did you vocalize any sort of distrust). After you got yourself into this situation, you went about attacking and killing other people in brig, one of which was responsible for your earlier death.

You're welcome to post more in your defense or bring some information I might have missed to my attention, but for now this appeal is denied.

Also I just want to let you know since you seem not to have noticed, I applied the week server ban in conjunction with a month long ghost role ban. What I have said in this appeal applies to that one too though.
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