[Cimika] PwntQ- Ban/Note Appeal
Posted: Thu Mar 18, 2021 3:52 am
BYOND account:PwntQ
Character name: Scrunnngy
Ban type:Server
Ban length:2 Hours
Ban reason: "As a non-antag, declared an AI rogue for not following all their orders, killed it then didn't check if the AI was actually malfunctioning, or making any attempts to revive them."
Time ban was placed: 2021-03-18 2:02:42
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 158433
Your side of the story:
Round start, doing funny clown high jinks. I end up in medbay after a tram incident and after getting healed in cryo want to get the plumbing tool. I asked the AI "please open" while standing in front of the door over service radio. No response. I start stating my questions to AI/borgs from here on with clown megaphone, very hard to miss. I gave the AI two orders to "say something" spaced two minutes apart (01:06:35.019 and 01:08:16.166).
No response, declare AI is either dead or malf over radio with megaphone. In-between my orders the RD tells the AI "AI state laws" twice 20 seconds apart, second time is with loud coms ( 01:07:46.565 and 01:08:00.300).
AI does not do so where we can hear it. Me and chap interrogate the engineering borg which has spoken. When we asked why the AI refused to talk, it said it was not responsible for the AI's actions. At this point I begin to call the AI malf over radio with megaphone. Still zero response from AI when its being declared malf. All very suspicious. HoP declares that "AI is fine crew" and "It is alive and well. Just doesn't like you all". Hmm okay, orders have had wiggle room enough. I give it another shot with the order "AI law 2, say something over the common radio channel". Still nothing. I've wandered into robotics at this point to see if they are making borgs or not as I believe the AI is malf. Robo says he will unlink the borgs. This gives me an idea and i asked to be borged to take out the AI. He agrees. It takes 4 minutes between me giving that last order and me being borged, still no response from AI (01:13:55.039 and 01:17:56.86).
After being borged I immediately hear that the AI is talking to the linked borg, "Can you disassemble a wall, maybe?" Linked borg replies "I'll try". I was already going to go kill the AI before they spoke. I was/am unsure as to what exactly they are referring to but while not suspicious on its own, when combined with everything else serves as confirmation to my suspicions because why was the borg needing to remove a wall? I go to sat, kill AI, declare it dead, then go get my brain put back in my old body and was revived before HoP and RD arrest me for killing the AI and i suicide in the brig.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
Firstly, this note is not accurate. I did not declare the AI rogue for not following all my orders. It was for a complete lack of response, as far as I or any others without command/sec chat could tell, and from our perspective a refusal to follow law or even state its laws when ordered to. It never even denied the claims of being malf, nor did its borg. Its behavior was EXTREMELY suspicious and did nothing to dissuade me of that notion. As clown I have almost no ability to card the AI to check them or revive them. I would go so far as to say I had zero ability that round. Both HoP and RD could have potentially but neither was inclined to do so to check.
As I have explained from my side of the story, all the information at my disposal made it appear the AI was malf. While the HoP declared the AI was not malf and just didnt want to talk to us, I had no reason to believe so and still believed it was refusing to obey law 2 commands. I know silicons have wiggle room in interpreting its laws/orders. Thats when i did my more definitive command to see if it was just talking in its chamber instead of over the radio (looking at logs i believe this is the case). I hadn't intended to be borged to go kill the AI until the roboticist mentioned unlinking borgs that I got the idea. Originally I was just going to try to get someone to do something about it.
AI only spoke over common radio twice before he was killed, at round start with last being 00:59:17.493. AI death was at 01:20:36.279, it did not speak over common radio at all between those two time periods, 20 minutes. This is as far as I can tell from my own logs and cross checking with round chat log
I am unsure how to see in there whats said over what radio, so i compared to to my log. This has a previous round before it, search for "Welcome to West Fortification Fifteen, enjoy your stay!" for the round in question I was in cryo for a brief period and the AI may of spoken more during that period over common radio but all my law 2 requests and attempts to talk to the AI was after that.
As it may or may not come up, I did say before i killed the AI "OBEY CLOWN NEXT TIME". To elaborate, this is because I would never of thought the AI malf or anything and would likely of died to tram in another 5 minutes if they hadn't acted suspicious by, from my perspective, refusing to follow any orders.
I would also like to point out that under the Rules, Silicon (and Drone!) Policy, Law policies, Overview:
Server Rule 1: "Don't be a dick" applies for law interpretation. Act in good faith to not ruin a round for other players unprompted.
The AI's refusal to speak to us at all over common radio, despite multiple requests over said radio, and instead just saying things in its chamber or opening random doors in response, is a dick move.
References of good conduct: Probably not relevant
Anything else we should know:
I do not believe Cimika handled this in an unbiased or impartial manner. I believe after they checked their logs they were assured of guilt. I brought up and refuted his points, gave my perspective on the matter, gave him relevant screenshots and offered to give them my log to show what was up. Each rebuttal I gave was dismissed with a topic change and Cimika refused to engage in further talking and told me to stop arguing. I do know this is a short ban but I believe i did not break server rules and do not want this note on my record. Unsure as to definition exactly of adminshopping so I did not reach out to another admin for this short ban and instead did some other IRL stuff and wrote up this appeal with about 10 minutes to spare.
Character name: Scrunnngy
Ban type:Server
Ban length:2 Hours
Ban reason: "As a non-antag, declared an AI rogue for not following all their orders, killed it then didn't check if the AI was actually malfunctioning, or making any attempts to revive them."
Time ban was placed: 2021-03-18 2:02:42
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 158433
Your side of the story:
Round start, doing funny clown high jinks. I end up in medbay after a tram incident and after getting healed in cryo want to get the plumbing tool. I asked the AI "please open" while standing in front of the door over service radio. No response. I start stating my questions to AI/borgs from here on with clown megaphone, very hard to miss. I gave the AI two orders to "say something" spaced two minutes apart (01:06:35.019 and 01:08:16.166).
No response, declare AI is either dead or malf over radio with megaphone. In-between my orders the RD tells the AI "AI state laws" twice 20 seconds apart, second time is with loud coms ( 01:07:46.565 and 01:08:00.300).
AI does not do so where we can hear it. Me and chap interrogate the engineering borg which has spoken. When we asked why the AI refused to talk, it said it was not responsible for the AI's actions. At this point I begin to call the AI malf over radio with megaphone. Still zero response from AI when its being declared malf. All very suspicious. HoP declares that "AI is fine crew" and "It is alive and well. Just doesn't like you all". Hmm okay, orders have had wiggle room enough. I give it another shot with the order "AI law 2, say something over the common radio channel". Still nothing. I've wandered into robotics at this point to see if they are making borgs or not as I believe the AI is malf. Robo says he will unlink the borgs. This gives me an idea and i asked to be borged to take out the AI. He agrees. It takes 4 minutes between me giving that last order and me being borged, still no response from AI (01:13:55.039 and 01:17:56.86).
After being borged I immediately hear that the AI is talking to the linked borg, "Can you disassemble a wall, maybe?" Linked borg replies "I'll try". I was already going to go kill the AI before they spoke. I was/am unsure as to what exactly they are referring to but while not suspicious on its own, when combined with everything else serves as confirmation to my suspicions because why was the borg needing to remove a wall? I go to sat, kill AI, declare it dead, then go get my brain put back in my old body and was revived before HoP and RD arrest me for killing the AI and i suicide in the brig.
Why you think you should be unbanned:
Firstly, this note is not accurate. I did not declare the AI rogue for not following all my orders. It was for a complete lack of response, as far as I or any others without command/sec chat could tell, and from our perspective a refusal to follow law or even state its laws when ordered to. It never even denied the claims of being malf, nor did its borg. Its behavior was EXTREMELY suspicious and did nothing to dissuade me of that notion. As clown I have almost no ability to card the AI to check them or revive them. I would go so far as to say I had zero ability that round. Both HoP and RD could have potentially but neither was inclined to do so to check.
As I have explained from my side of the story, all the information at my disposal made it appear the AI was malf. While the HoP declared the AI was not malf and just didnt want to talk to us, I had no reason to believe so and still believed it was refusing to obey law 2 commands. I know silicons have wiggle room in interpreting its laws/orders. Thats when i did my more definitive command to see if it was just talking in its chamber instead of over the radio (looking at logs i believe this is the case). I hadn't intended to be borged to go kill the AI until the roboticist mentioned unlinking borgs that I got the idea. Originally I was just going to try to get someone to do something about it.
AI only spoke over common radio twice before he was killed, at round start with last being 00:59:17.493. AI death was at 01:20:36.279, it did not speak over common radio at all between those two time periods, 20 minutes. This is as far as I can tell from my own logs and cross checking with round chat log
I am unsure how to see in there whats said over what radio, so i compared to to my log. This has a previous round before it, search for "Welcome to West Fortification Fifteen, enjoy your stay!" for the round in question I was in cryo for a brief period and the AI may of spoken more during that period over common radio but all my law 2 requests and attempts to talk to the AI was after that.
As it may or may not come up, I did say before i killed the AI "OBEY CLOWN NEXT TIME". To elaborate, this is because I would never of thought the AI malf or anything and would likely of died to tram in another 5 minutes if they hadn't acted suspicious by, from my perspective, refusing to follow any orders.
I would also like to point out that under the Rules, Silicon (and Drone!) Policy, Law policies, Overview:
Server Rule 1: "Don't be a dick" applies for law interpretation. Act in good faith to not ruin a round for other players unprompted.
The AI's refusal to speak to us at all over common radio, despite multiple requests over said radio, and instead just saying things in its chamber or opening random doors in response, is a dick move.
References of good conduct: Probably not relevant
Anything else we should know:
I do not believe Cimika handled this in an unbiased or impartial manner. I believe after they checked their logs they were assured of guilt. I brought up and refuted his points, gave my perspective on the matter, gave him relevant screenshots and offered to give them my log to show what was up. Each rebuttal I gave was dismissed with a topic change and Cimika refused to engage in further talking and told me to stop arguing. I do know this is a short ban but I believe i did not break server rules and do not want this note on my record. Unsure as to definition exactly of adminshopping so I did not reach out to another admin for this short ban and instead did some other IRL stuff and wrote up this appeal with about 10 minutes to spare.