[FatalX1] Listick - server ban, sec jobban
Posted: Sat Jun 05, 2021 10:51 am
BYOND account: Listick
Character name: Augustus Lascaris I
Ban type: Server, security roles ban
Ban length: 1 day on the server, 2 weeks for security roles
Ban reason: Killed a doctor trying to revive a dead body in the brig, fairly chaotic round with a lot of going on, but as HOS, you lethaled everyone you had any valid arrest on, you are expected to use non lethal force in the first instance before becoming judge dredd
Time ban was placed: 2021-06-04 20:38:50
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 163498
Your side of the story: *There are two different doctors: one which I killed in brig and another one who was being revived by this doctor in the brig. I will be referring to them as doctor1 and doctor 2. The reason of me being banned is killing doctor2 but it's crucial to know who was doctor1 to understand why I killed doctor2.
Security was heavily bombed with lemons by two unknown guys. We got them but I also ordered to search the botanist to see if they were invlovled. The botanist refused to come with us and we had to chase him through the botany and maints. When we caught him I saw doctor1 there who naturally doesn't have access to botany maints. I asked him what he was doing there and he replied: "I just got there" (later in chat he said he came there with us secs but he either lies or I didn't see him going with us because we were chasing th botanist in maints) which I didn't consider as explanation nor could trust him so I asked him to come with us. He refused, shoved me and tried to run away but the officer stunned him. The officer and detective who were there with me said they didn't have a second pair of cuffs and doctor1 kept resisting. That's why I conducted that it'd be safer to use lethal on them as we had no effective non lethals and he could have had bomb lemons from the botany. We carried doctor1 and the botanist to prison so their potentially dangerous stuff won't be robbed by others. I ordered warden and secoffs to search the botanist and warden found the explosive lemons with them so I ordered to gib the botanist to prevent him from being revived by his teammates. I wanted to call another doctor to be near and revive doctor1 if I wouldn't find illegal stuff with them but I couldn't do this because coms were disabled. When I was about to search doctor1 who died by the time we got to prison, malf ai started shutting lockers, making oxygen deprivation and pressure(kpa) by which I was damaged to yellow health. I don't remember exactly if shuttle arrived at this moment or a bit later.
Then suddenly the officer went to space and from there brought a ling who before transformed a lot of the crew into aliens. We gibbed the ling an then the officer went to the arrivals. I decided it would be best to recharge my guns first and went to the sec gear room to do so. And when I came I saw a human dressed as a doctor(who later appeared to be doctor2) carrying out the dead doctor1 from the prison! I have no idea how they got there all of a sudden but including that: 1) brig is a closed area and the chances of a real doctor getting there so quietly are extremely low 2) they were carrying out of prison a doctor1 who I heavily suspected of being *in a team* with the guys who bombed sec 3) they didn't ask nor notified me of their visit 4) I was alone with no one else around 5) We had no time to search the doctor1 so doctor2 could have stolen something like a bomb from their inventory 6) I was already heavily damaged 7) the distance between us was enough to shoot me down if I ran to them with the baton even if I would be at full health 8) I had no ways of keeping them disarmed as I had no cuffs at the moment, I decided to shoot doctor2 with lethal to death. Then I put their body on a prisoner shuttle and sent it instead of gibbing their body. So in case doctor2 was ling and would revive themselves I would have more time to search doctor1 and then doctor2 separately and bring them to doctor if they would appear to be innocent. After this I went outside to see if there were other secs who could help with all this but met detective who said that the shuttle is wrecked and we should quickly use the escape pod. Seeing how there was no time to search even one of the two dead doctors I went with detective to the escape pod.
Why you think you should be unbanned: While I respect the doctor's desire to revive a dead body the doctor shouldn't silently sneak in or break into brig and carry out a deaf body from a prison. And while we had a clear misunderstanding with doctor2 I want to say that the risk of them being an antagonist was too high to risk my life and possibly the lives of others. I didn't "sentence them like a judge" as ban description implies, I simply looked at their actions and calculated the risks of them being an antagonist and how they could have harmed the station. I couldn't have effectively used non lethal against doctor2 because of the reasons 1) - 8) I explained above and to my surprise didn't have enough time to search doctor2. That's why I think my ban is unfair, I did everything I could to protect the station and do my job. And even though doctor2 wasn't an antagonist I had reasons 1) - 8) to think that they were.
And I believe admin's decision was rushed because I failed to respond to them early and they had to delay the end of the round and put my dead character into prison to question there. The reason I didn't respond to them before is because I have a separate channel for admin pms. But since I cleared the cache this channel was deleted. I'm not sure if the admin pms were disabled in my General chat or if I simply didn't see them because the round at the end was very chaotic.
References of good conduct: I mainly play as a detective on Terry
Anything else we should know: A few weeks ago another admin messaged me and said that the new name I made doesn't fit in game rules(it clearly referenced a character from another media). So I changed the name on the next round.
And the original ban description doesn't include security jobban for 2 weeks but that's what admin mentioned before banning me.
Character name: Augustus Lascaris I
Ban type: Server, security roles ban
Ban length: 1 day on the server, 2 weeks for security roles
Ban reason: Killed a doctor trying to revive a dead body in the brig, fairly chaotic round with a lot of going on, but as HOS, you lethaled everyone you had any valid arrest on, you are expected to use non lethal force in the first instance before becoming judge dredd
Time ban was placed: 2021-06-04 20:38:50
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 163498
Your side of the story: *There are two different doctors: one which I killed in brig and another one who was being revived by this doctor in the brig. I will be referring to them as doctor1 and doctor 2. The reason of me being banned is killing doctor2 but it's crucial to know who was doctor1 to understand why I killed doctor2.
Security was heavily bombed with lemons by two unknown guys. We got them but I also ordered to search the botanist to see if they were invlovled. The botanist refused to come with us and we had to chase him through the botany and maints. When we caught him I saw doctor1 there who naturally doesn't have access to botany maints. I asked him what he was doing there and he replied: "I just got there" (later in chat he said he came there with us secs but he either lies or I didn't see him going with us because we were chasing th botanist in maints) which I didn't consider as explanation nor could trust him so I asked him to come with us. He refused, shoved me and tried to run away but the officer stunned him. The officer and detective who were there with me said they didn't have a second pair of cuffs and doctor1 kept resisting. That's why I conducted that it'd be safer to use lethal on them as we had no effective non lethals and he could have had bomb lemons from the botany. We carried doctor1 and the botanist to prison so their potentially dangerous stuff won't be robbed by others. I ordered warden and secoffs to search the botanist and warden found the explosive lemons with them so I ordered to gib the botanist to prevent him from being revived by his teammates. I wanted to call another doctor to be near and revive doctor1 if I wouldn't find illegal stuff with them but I couldn't do this because coms were disabled. When I was about to search doctor1 who died by the time we got to prison, malf ai started shutting lockers, making oxygen deprivation and pressure(kpa) by which I was damaged to yellow health. I don't remember exactly if shuttle arrived at this moment or a bit later.
Then suddenly the officer went to space and from there brought a ling who before transformed a lot of the crew into aliens. We gibbed the ling an then the officer went to the arrivals. I decided it would be best to recharge my guns first and went to the sec gear room to do so. And when I came I saw a human dressed as a doctor(who later appeared to be doctor2) carrying out the dead doctor1 from the prison! I have no idea how they got there all of a sudden but including that: 1) brig is a closed area and the chances of a real doctor getting there so quietly are extremely low 2) they were carrying out of prison a doctor1 who I heavily suspected of being *in a team* with the guys who bombed sec 3) they didn't ask nor notified me of their visit 4) I was alone with no one else around 5) We had no time to search the doctor1 so doctor2 could have stolen something like a bomb from their inventory 6) I was already heavily damaged 7) the distance between us was enough to shoot me down if I ran to them with the baton even if I would be at full health 8) I had no ways of keeping them disarmed as I had no cuffs at the moment, I decided to shoot doctor2 with lethal to death. Then I put their body on a prisoner shuttle and sent it instead of gibbing their body. So in case doctor2 was ling and would revive themselves I would have more time to search doctor1 and then doctor2 separately and bring them to doctor if they would appear to be innocent. After this I went outside to see if there were other secs who could help with all this but met detective who said that the shuttle is wrecked and we should quickly use the escape pod. Seeing how there was no time to search even one of the two dead doctors I went with detective to the escape pod.
Why you think you should be unbanned: While I respect the doctor's desire to revive a dead body the doctor shouldn't silently sneak in or break into brig and carry out a deaf body from a prison. And while we had a clear misunderstanding with doctor2 I want to say that the risk of them being an antagonist was too high to risk my life and possibly the lives of others. I didn't "sentence them like a judge" as ban description implies, I simply looked at their actions and calculated the risks of them being an antagonist and how they could have harmed the station. I couldn't have effectively used non lethal against doctor2 because of the reasons 1) - 8) I explained above and to my surprise didn't have enough time to search doctor2. That's why I think my ban is unfair, I did everything I could to protect the station and do my job. And even though doctor2 wasn't an antagonist I had reasons 1) - 8) to think that they were.
And I believe admin's decision was rushed because I failed to respond to them early and they had to delay the end of the round and put my dead character into prison to question there. The reason I didn't respond to them before is because I have a separate channel for admin pms. But since I cleared the cache this channel was deleted. I'm not sure if the admin pms were disabled in my General chat or if I simply didn't see them because the round at the end was very chaotic.
References of good conduct: I mainly play as a detective on Terry
Anything else we should know: A few weeks ago another admin messaged me and said that the new name I made doesn't fit in game rules(it clearly referenced a character from another media). So I changed the name on the next round.
And the original ban description doesn't include security jobban for 2 weeks but that's what admin mentioned before banning me.