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That Engineer - Sheltton - AI LAW 2 oh wait am dog

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 7:33 pm
by Shellton(Mario)
BYOND account: Sheltton
Character name: Mario (AI)
Ban type: Job Ban (AI) + Note (Ban took place on Sybil)
Ban length: 3 Days
Ban reason: AI for 3 days - As an AI, ignored the request of a corgi to unlock holodeck safeties and enable the medbay mode, and due to this negligence it caused further human harm which violates law 1, as there was a virus that killed most of the station, along with the medbay being non-functional.
Time ban was placed: 2021-07-29 06:27:09
Round ID in which ban was placed:166826
Your side of the story: I was an ai and around 40-45mins into the round a very deadly virus was discovered which made people burst into flames. Medbay was pretty beaten up as it was bombed twice. As soon as the virus was discovered the law 2 request came in to call the shuttle which I did. But besides this the crew found the cure pretty quickly to the virus and made pandmic machine in engineering to produce vaccines but even still the round was pretty much over so at this point I went partially ssd listening to music and alt tapping in and out to make sure to open a door if someone asked. Around 8 mins after calling the shuttle I hear the sound of my turrets going off in my sat and I see a dog comes into my sat (Some how with all access) and tells me that if I didnt turn on holodeck med he would space me. I say No (I still turn on holodeck med I just want to see if he would space me). The dog does space me. Then shortly after I hear the funny sound. (Also it was 2am my time so am also sleepy)
Why you think you should be unbanned: I turned on holodeck med once the dog asked me too. I didn't ignore him I just acted like I did because I was bored and wanted to see if he would space me to spice up my round a little because at this point I was listening to music and alt tapping to see if something would happen. Maybe I didn't word it right to the admin because it was 2am but if you need proof I turned on holodeck medbay check the logs.
References of good conduct: In the same round there was a first time borg named COG, he asked a few questions and did my best to answer them and offered to give him a run down of all the types of borgs he could be and told him needs to follow his laws.

Re: That Engineer - Sheltton - AI LAW 2 oh wait am dog

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 8:15 pm
by Timberpoes

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[2021-07-29 05:27:49.218] sheltton (as Mario at 214,144,2) in tgui-window-1
 - Using: /obj/machinery/computer/holodeck [0x200b43e]
 - Action: safety {}
[2021-07-29 05:27:52.308] sheltton (as Mario at 214,144,2) in tgui-window-1
 - Using: /obj/machinery/computer/holodeck [0x200b43e]
 - Action: load_program {"id":"holodeck_medicalsim"}
Source: https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/sybil/ ... 6/tgui.log - Only accessible by admins.

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[2021-07-29 05:23:31.582] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "bio suits at arrivals" (Dormitories (141,159,2))
[2021-07-29 05:23:44.310] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "wear the bio suit at arrivals" (Dormitories (138,162,2))
[2021-07-29 05:24:16.261] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "ai set the holodeck to medbay" (Recreation Area (145,172,2))
[2021-07-29 05:25:29.037] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "I assume the ai is dead?" (Recreation Area (145,172,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:12.283] SAY: Sheltton/(Mario) "uh oh" (AI Chamber (214,144,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:12.575] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "oi" (AI Chamber (214,145,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:15.245] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "are you alive" (AI Chamber (214,145,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:27.880] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "set the holodeck to medbay" (AI Chamber (214,145,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:31.331] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "or i space you" (AI Chamber (214,145,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:36.010] SAY: Sheltton/(Mario) "uhhhh" (AI Chamber (214,144,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:38.326] SAY: Sheltton/(Mario) "no" (AI Chamber (214,144,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:46.938] SAY: Mooshimi/(Ian) "ai is malf" (AI Chamber (214,145,2))
[2021-07-29 05:27:49.218] GAME: Sheltton/(Mario) disabled Holodeck safeties.
[2021-07-29 05:27:54.852] GAME: Sheltton/(Mario) loaded a restricted Holodeck program: holodeck_medicalsim.
Source: Trimmed version of https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/syb ... 6/game.txt - Snipped part of the logs was lines with the text "Mooshimi" or "Sheltton"

Re: That Engineer - Sheltton - AI LAW 2 oh wait am dog

Posted: Thu Jul 29, 2021 9:06 pm
by ThatEngineer
Okay, I will probably be lifting the ban, but why didn't you tell me that you enabled the medbay in the first place?

Re: That Engineer - Sheltton - AI LAW 2 oh wait am dog

Posted: Fri Jul 30, 2021 1:42 am
by LoveMirror
ThatEngineer wrote:Okay, I will probably be lifting the ban, but why didn't you tell me that you enabled the medbay in the first place?
Sorry, but isn't the admin's job to read the logs fully before banning people? From the ones posted here, it seems OP enabled the medbaysim within an incredibly short amount of time and probably only said "no" when threatened to be spaced, which is a completely douchy thing to say to an AI in the first place.

To add to that, if the AI was standard asiimov, a corgi giving it any sort of command is more of a suggestion than anything else and does not have to be followed even if it makes sense to do so.
There is no headmin ruling regarding holodeck safeties either, or even any past bans I could find on this forum that would at least give precedent to banning someone from AI for refusing to turn them off.