[Jaredfogle] CoolDude22333 - shot clown suspected of revolution
Posted: Fri Dec 03, 2021 12:34 am
BYOND account: Cooldude22333
Character name: Jack Anton
Ban type: Security.
Ban length: 10 days
Ban reason: MRP - More inappropriate use of lethals as security. Suspected a clown wearing detective gear as a revolutionary, which is fair. However, used this information to shoot them dead. The revolution did not seem to reach the levels of chaos to justify this, and it's preferred that you either give them brute force to the head, which can deconvert, or arrest and hold them until you get implants.
Time ban was placed: 6:30 PM.
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 174071.
Your side of the story: I was playing as latejoin HOS during a revolt. The captain was dragged into space and murdered by the QM, who then proceeded to run around until they where caught, a officer was SSD, the warden suicided and the detective was murdered as well. On top of all of this, someone had stolen the implants. Later, a officer, the captain or CMO called out that the clown was a rev, and I went to arrest them. I noticed he had the detective's baton, and connected the dots that the clown very well could have been the killer. I used the makarov from the contraband locker I grabbed after the QM went on their spree, and shot the clown. I then dragged the clown into the brig, stunning somebody who came close to me. Afterwards, we ordered and used mindshields on a person arrested, who I confirmed via implant to be a revhead, who I then shot. I handled four revs, the QM, the clown, the lawyer and Joseph Nape. After I saw the message for the revolution ending, as well as the bwoink, I returned the makarov into the locker as I no longer required it.
Why you think you should be unbanned: The clown was holding the police baton. I was given information they where a rev, we had a dead detective and they had their stuff, including one of their weapons. Not only could he have used the baton to stun me to potentially harm me in some fashion, he might have also had the gun. While checking the roundend screen does not show him as a rev, I was being given info that he was, and he had items that tied him to a murder. I also did not know the number of revs was small, because from my initial understanding, I thought Nape was just flashing people en mass. While I can accept I was wrong about the clown, I do not think this is a fit punishment, as at that point, I was dealing with a unknown number of revs, and the lack of mindshields had me worried I'd be mobbed. I was working off the information I had. I know my record is not clean on this matter, and I'm willing to admit fault, but this honestly doesn't feel like a fit punishment. If I do end up getting banned for the full ten or a reduced amount of days, I'll likely end up accepting it, but this game is built on working with limited information, and as I couldn't deconvert him, with mindshield or otherwise because he wasn't a rev, and trying to use a baton would likely end up with him dead anyway, I 100% believed he was a rev, from the information given to me via sec radio, and from the items he had, had no idea about how the strength of the rev was not as large as I first suspected, and the detective baton also marking him as a armed target.
Anything else we should know: While I don't agree with the ban, I can still see the reason here. I hope explaining my thought process before and during the incident will at the least explain my reasoning. I don't want to say anything bad about Jared here as he wasn't disrespectful of me, and also consulted another admin, and I'd hope their day goes well.
Character name: Jack Anton
Ban type: Security.
Ban length: 10 days
Ban reason: MRP - More inappropriate use of lethals as security. Suspected a clown wearing detective gear as a revolutionary, which is fair. However, used this information to shoot them dead. The revolution did not seem to reach the levels of chaos to justify this, and it's preferred that you either give them brute force to the head, which can deconvert, or arrest and hold them until you get implants.
Time ban was placed: 6:30 PM.
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 174071.
Your side of the story: I was playing as latejoin HOS during a revolt. The captain was dragged into space and murdered by the QM, who then proceeded to run around until they where caught, a officer was SSD, the warden suicided and the detective was murdered as well. On top of all of this, someone had stolen the implants. Later, a officer, the captain or CMO called out that the clown was a rev, and I went to arrest them. I noticed he had the detective's baton, and connected the dots that the clown very well could have been the killer. I used the makarov from the contraband locker I grabbed after the QM went on their spree, and shot the clown. I then dragged the clown into the brig, stunning somebody who came close to me. Afterwards, we ordered and used mindshields on a person arrested, who I confirmed via implant to be a revhead, who I then shot. I handled four revs, the QM, the clown, the lawyer and Joseph Nape. After I saw the message for the revolution ending, as well as the bwoink, I returned the makarov into the locker as I no longer required it.
Why you think you should be unbanned: The clown was holding the police baton. I was given information they where a rev, we had a dead detective and they had their stuff, including one of their weapons. Not only could he have used the baton to stun me to potentially harm me in some fashion, he might have also had the gun. While checking the roundend screen does not show him as a rev, I was being given info that he was, and he had items that tied him to a murder. I also did not know the number of revs was small, because from my initial understanding, I thought Nape was just flashing people en mass. While I can accept I was wrong about the clown, I do not think this is a fit punishment, as at that point, I was dealing with a unknown number of revs, and the lack of mindshields had me worried I'd be mobbed. I was working off the information I had. I know my record is not clean on this matter, and I'm willing to admit fault, but this honestly doesn't feel like a fit punishment. If I do end up getting banned for the full ten or a reduced amount of days, I'll likely end up accepting it, but this game is built on working with limited information, and as I couldn't deconvert him, with mindshield or otherwise because he wasn't a rev, and trying to use a baton would likely end up with him dead anyway, I 100% believed he was a rev, from the information given to me via sec radio, and from the items he had, had no idea about how the strength of the rev was not as large as I first suspected, and the detective baton also marking him as a armed target.
Anything else we should know: While I don't agree with the ban, I can still see the reason here. I hope explaining my thought process before and during the incident will at the least explain my reasoning. I don't want to say anything bad about Jared here as he wasn't disrespectful of me, and also consulted another admin, and I'd hope their day goes well.