[Lulufren]kieth4- Ban appeal.
Posted: Sun Jan 09, 2022 1:16 pm
Byond account: kieth4
Character name: Lukas Beedell
Ban type: Job ban.
Ban Length: Week ban
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Chief Medical Officer, Medical Doctor, Paramedic, Chemist, Virologist for 1 week - As a CMO in round 176250, picked a fight with the Quartermaster about them cancelling orders, in which they used a compact defib against sec officers. This then escalated into a demotion by the captain, and the killing of more sec officers
Time this ban was placed: 18:18:15
Sever you were playing when banned: Terry.
Your side of the story: As a preface even if the ban and note remain I’m here to argue that the note doesn’t accurately represent the situation that occurred there. Let’s break this up into different parts.
“picked a fight with the Quartermaster about them cancelling orders, in which they used a compact defib against sec officers.”
Speaking about the cargo escalation, cargo has no reason to deny orders from tablets private buying on the private budget. There is absolutely 0 reason to do so, this became such an issue during the round that the captain even sent a message to centcom regarding it.
https://imgur.com/E3kykzz
This happened to me from the medical budget and apparently the CE and hop too too
https://imgur.com/a/ZZI7DiF
Looking at the logs here I was only able to find the logs of a pizza order that I got when I went to check on my crates, now- this could have been a bug maybe or I just don’t know where it was logged. Cargo in a whole were being assholes that shift. Regardless, I made my way over to cargo to check for my crates. I start beeping the door, a techie tells me to fuck off.
https://imgur.com/a/RFgvJoP
I respond that I need in for medical stuff.
https://imgur.com/a/z2YmOVP
The person that I was with starts hitting the window as we hadn’t been let in yet and gets called a ‘ligger’.
https://imgur.com/a/zrO5H47
We’re all aware of the equivalent of that phrase, getting called a Ligger did not calm the situation at all and began the conflict with me screaming. “Racial SLUR?” As far as I’m aware slurring also makes you valid for escalation, you can’t slur at someone and then when the situation gets worse ask sec for help.
https://imgur.com/a/gIUOgqM
This began a conflict against the seccie in which I defended myself using the tele baton and defib which is essentially a baton.
At one point we had them stunned and didn’t attack further, instead, we continued an attempt to get inside of cargo as that was our goal before being slurred out.
More sec came, I was getting kicked to death by the Ben Snow lad, who happened to be the QM and I deathgasped. I think the escalation here is valid, crates kept getting denied and the situation would’ve been calmer had he opened the door or not called my companion a Ligger. I got taken to brig, revived and this is fine and not an issue. I’m unsure of why the note mentions this as if the situation wasn’t fine and was me specifically picking a fight with the QM.
The next part occurred in brig.
“This then escalated into a demotion by the captain”
I was taken to the brig here, revived then stuffed into a cell. Once again? It’s fine, it’s all ic and ok.
The captain reasons that I should be demoted for defibbing a lot of people. The majority of this was in self defence but I took no issue with it. This however never went through and didn’t happen, so I don’t feel it relevant. Although the captain said a couple of words about demotion, he never did it. Thus the lack of it in logs and when I leave brig it doesn't get mentioned again really.
https://imgur.com/a/Xs73Pci
https://imgur.com/a/tjC8nZc
I get revived and put in the cell.
https://imgur.com/a/undar9l
I further explain what was happening here but neglect to mention the medical crates as they honestly didn’t matter at this point and I think in my frustration I had forgotten about them.
https://imgur.com/a/EDZkMKa
https://imgur.com/a/uy6XqCI
https://imgur.com/a/xF6ANlX
The demotion comes up once again here, but nothing more comes of it.
https://imgur.com/a/dzuD4sG
https://imgur.com/a/s7BYQoT
It was spoken about a few times, but nothing came of it and demotion didn’t happen as shown in the logs, other than like 5 lines it was forgotten about and everyone moved on from it. I was never demoted, nor did anyone try to do so. It’s strange to have it in the note as a hypothetical essentially that did not play into the further situation.
By the next point I had been in a cell without a timer for maybe 5 minutes, and I mentioned it.
https://imgur.com/a/cajr8OE
This gets promptly ignored by sec who keep me in a cell with no timer, so in a few minutes I bring it up again.
https://imgur.com/a/cajr8OE
https://imgur.com/a/nLd09bI
Then one of the seccies comes into my cell to abuse me or buckle me back to a bed or something, so I shoved him once. He stuns me then leaves.
I claim that I could’ve shoved him and cuffed him(I had cuffs in my pocket) but I didn’t because I didn’t want to further escalate the situation.
https://imgur.com/a/RczzGVp
We have a small verbal exchange.
https://imgur.com/a/NJJ2pQd
He then flashes me and comes in
https://imgur.com/a/NJJ2pQd
https://imgur.com/a/KCZAlDs
https://imgur.com/a/oiOrXYN
I give him a few pushes, w/e this is a w/e situation.
He however demonstrates bad faith trying to LIE ABOUT THE SITUATION to get me more time in the brig.
https://imgur.com/a/dSVcQYa
Now at this point I had reason to believe that perhaps sec were lings or promoted antags as this seemed incredibly bad faith hence the threats to his life. (I threw more threats at his life later on) At this point we also had abductors, so it was possible that they were somehow fried. By them. Any good will or good faith I had to show to sec at this point was gone.
My time is over and the warden comes. He asks the seccie if I had escaped brig.
https://imgur.com/a/A9bxWDb
The seccie doesn’t respond to this but instead claims that I disarmed him??
https://imgur.com/a/u1DVuFM
Now, he entered my cell to try to allow me to show him that I could cuff him. Once more, I didn’t to prevent further escalation instead I pushed him a few times and grabbed him to buckle him to the bed as a bit of a joke. It was not an aggro grab even though I could have, his statement is a full-on lie.
It’s also important here how the demotion played absolutely 0 part and isn’t mentioned nor acted on again.
The warden heard my side of the tale and uncuffed me, letting me go with none of my gear
Nukies then seemingly spawned so I went to brig to get my stuff back
https://imgur.com/a/AvG42vZ
I got given my defibs and I asked for my baton back.
https://imgur.com/a/BobaNyA
The warden gave me a normal sec baton which was fine.
He asked over sec coms where it was, but seemingly got no response. All seccies at the the time would've seen this.
https://imgur.com/a/DBhjyIz
This is because our friend from earlier Ivan had kept it! The Warden then gave me a normal baton and I went on my way to hunt for the nukies yet the other seccies (the one from cargo and ivan) decided that it was not mine to have and wanted to steal it back??
https://imgur.com/a/uXcdY6u
https://imgur.com/a/g2eE53S
Clear attempt to start conflict again for no reason whatsoever. Blamed the warden for returning any gear to me. Despite it not really being the seccies call, he even went and yelled at the warden for this.
https://imgur.com/a/GgNcLO7
He claimed nukies to be fake...when the ai had called out that the fuck was at sat and tried to break the cooling loop.
https://imgur.com/a/ioGiFon
A bad faith actor trying to do anything he can to encourage conflict with me.
Anyway, back to the "fight". It was a conversation then a seccie started the fight by throwing a bola.
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/176 ... fined-9729
Yet I tried to explain my position throughout, after a few stuns we ran off into maint to escape the seccies, during the escape we stun them and take their stuns and keep running. There are no lethals from us. At this point I’m frustrated by them trying to steal a baton the warden gave me and instead of talking it out instantly escalating. Me, gor-rok and an assistant who had decided to help ran to departures where we hid in the sec outpost and were vibing.
This is where, “and the killing of more sec officers” comes into play.
Ivan came with a shotgun:
https://imgur.com/a/it59lVY
We stunned him, he called for help. We stripped him and threw him into Iceland sealing his fate. I believe the constant chasing and harassment in combination when I was in the cell and he lied about what I had done in an attempt to give me more time after keeping me for more than 10 mins I argue made him fully valid to escalation. If he wants to be a crooked cop or w/e he needs to face the consequences. Two more seccies ran down and one of them started throwing stars at the people I was with, at this point I presumed they had to be tots or brainwashed do to the horrible experience throughout the round, abductors were around too and nukies too yet all sec did was target me. We didn’t do much damage and I just stopped their hearts and left them in the chairs an easy revival and drag back to medbay. It's important to note here that they died only because of the throwing stars, I otherwise would have just cuffed them to the chairs but the tot item pushed me over the edge.
Why you should be unbanned: At the time there didn't seem to be any option other than to kill them in the way I did, I believe thus the escalation was valid I presumed them to be traitors or somehow valid the use of traitor gear in the final fight once more is why they were executed.
I don't understand why this was a ban in the first place. I hope, with the logs and perspective I provided you will be able to re-think the situation and the note+ban. Using the pocket defibs as a form of self defence when they're esentially a baton should not net me a medbay ban. I believe the seccies showed themselves enough in bad faith to be escalated on too, I tried to non-lethally deal with the situation and it only led to ruin for my round. The fight at the start with the QM only broke out the way it did because of the use of the word "Ligger" too. The note also mentions demotion that I hope I've proved doesn't factor in.
Character name: Lukas Beedell
Ban type: Job ban.
Ban Length: Week ban
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: Chief Medical Officer, Medical Doctor, Paramedic, Chemist, Virologist for 1 week - As a CMO in round 176250, picked a fight with the Quartermaster about them cancelling orders, in which they used a compact defib against sec officers. This then escalated into a demotion by the captain, and the killing of more sec officers
Time this ban was placed: 18:18:15
Sever you were playing when banned: Terry.
Your side of the story: As a preface even if the ban and note remain I’m here to argue that the note doesn’t accurately represent the situation that occurred there. Let’s break this up into different parts.
“picked a fight with the Quartermaster about them cancelling orders, in which they used a compact defib against sec officers.”
Speaking about the cargo escalation, cargo has no reason to deny orders from tablets private buying on the private budget. There is absolutely 0 reason to do so, this became such an issue during the round that the captain even sent a message to centcom regarding it.
https://imgur.com/E3kykzz
This happened to me from the medical budget and apparently the CE and hop too too
https://imgur.com/a/ZZI7DiF
Looking at the logs here I was only able to find the logs of a pizza order that I got when I went to check on my crates, now- this could have been a bug maybe or I just don’t know where it was logged. Cargo in a whole were being assholes that shift. Regardless, I made my way over to cargo to check for my crates. I start beeping the door, a techie tells me to fuck off.
https://imgur.com/a/RFgvJoP
I respond that I need in for medical stuff.
https://imgur.com/a/z2YmOVP
The person that I was with starts hitting the window as we hadn’t been let in yet and gets called a ‘ligger’.
https://imgur.com/a/zrO5H47
We’re all aware of the equivalent of that phrase, getting called a Ligger did not calm the situation at all and began the conflict with me screaming. “Racial SLUR?” As far as I’m aware slurring also makes you valid for escalation, you can’t slur at someone and then when the situation gets worse ask sec for help.
https://imgur.com/a/gIUOgqM
This began a conflict against the seccie in which I defended myself using the tele baton and defib which is essentially a baton.
At one point we had them stunned and didn’t attack further, instead, we continued an attempt to get inside of cargo as that was our goal before being slurred out.
More sec came, I was getting kicked to death by the Ben Snow lad, who happened to be the QM and I deathgasped. I think the escalation here is valid, crates kept getting denied and the situation would’ve been calmer had he opened the door or not called my companion a Ligger. I got taken to brig, revived and this is fine and not an issue. I’m unsure of why the note mentions this as if the situation wasn’t fine and was me specifically picking a fight with the QM.
The next part occurred in brig.
“This then escalated into a demotion by the captain”
I was taken to the brig here, revived then stuffed into a cell. Once again? It’s fine, it’s all ic and ok.
The captain reasons that I should be demoted for defibbing a lot of people. The majority of this was in self defence but I took no issue with it. This however never went through and didn’t happen, so I don’t feel it relevant. Although the captain said a couple of words about demotion, he never did it. Thus the lack of it in logs and when I leave brig it doesn't get mentioned again really.
https://imgur.com/a/Xs73Pci
https://imgur.com/a/tjC8nZc
I get revived and put in the cell.
https://imgur.com/a/undar9l
I further explain what was happening here but neglect to mention the medical crates as they honestly didn’t matter at this point and I think in my frustration I had forgotten about them.
https://imgur.com/a/EDZkMKa
https://imgur.com/a/uy6XqCI
https://imgur.com/a/xF6ANlX
The demotion comes up once again here, but nothing more comes of it.
https://imgur.com/a/dzuD4sG
https://imgur.com/a/s7BYQoT
It was spoken about a few times, but nothing came of it and demotion didn’t happen as shown in the logs, other than like 5 lines it was forgotten about and everyone moved on from it. I was never demoted, nor did anyone try to do so. It’s strange to have it in the note as a hypothetical essentially that did not play into the further situation.
By the next point I had been in a cell without a timer for maybe 5 minutes, and I mentioned it.
https://imgur.com/a/cajr8OE
This gets promptly ignored by sec who keep me in a cell with no timer, so in a few minutes I bring it up again.
https://imgur.com/a/cajr8OE
https://imgur.com/a/nLd09bI
Then one of the seccies comes into my cell to abuse me or buckle me back to a bed or something, so I shoved him once. He stuns me then leaves.
I claim that I could’ve shoved him and cuffed him(I had cuffs in my pocket) but I didn’t because I didn’t want to further escalate the situation.
https://imgur.com/a/RczzGVp
We have a small verbal exchange.
https://imgur.com/a/NJJ2pQd
He then flashes me and comes in
https://imgur.com/a/NJJ2pQd
https://imgur.com/a/KCZAlDs
https://imgur.com/a/oiOrXYN
I give him a few pushes, w/e this is a w/e situation.
He however demonstrates bad faith trying to LIE ABOUT THE SITUATION to get me more time in the brig.
https://imgur.com/a/dSVcQYa
Now at this point I had reason to believe that perhaps sec were lings or promoted antags as this seemed incredibly bad faith hence the threats to his life. (I threw more threats at his life later on) At this point we also had abductors, so it was possible that they were somehow fried. By them. Any good will or good faith I had to show to sec at this point was gone.
My time is over and the warden comes. He asks the seccie if I had escaped brig.
https://imgur.com/a/A9bxWDb
The seccie doesn’t respond to this but instead claims that I disarmed him??
https://imgur.com/a/u1DVuFM
Now, he entered my cell to try to allow me to show him that I could cuff him. Once more, I didn’t to prevent further escalation instead I pushed him a few times and grabbed him to buckle him to the bed as a bit of a joke. It was not an aggro grab even though I could have, his statement is a full-on lie.
It’s also important here how the demotion played absolutely 0 part and isn’t mentioned nor acted on again.
The warden heard my side of the tale and uncuffed me, letting me go with none of my gear
Nukies then seemingly spawned so I went to brig to get my stuff back
https://imgur.com/a/AvG42vZ
I got given my defibs and I asked for my baton back.
https://imgur.com/a/BobaNyA
The warden gave me a normal sec baton which was fine.
He asked over sec coms where it was, but seemingly got no response. All seccies at the the time would've seen this.
https://imgur.com/a/DBhjyIz
This is because our friend from earlier Ivan had kept it! The Warden then gave me a normal baton and I went on my way to hunt for the nukies yet the other seccies (the one from cargo and ivan) decided that it was not mine to have and wanted to steal it back??
https://imgur.com/a/uXcdY6u
https://imgur.com/a/g2eE53S
Clear attempt to start conflict again for no reason whatsoever. Blamed the warden for returning any gear to me. Despite it not really being the seccies call, he even went and yelled at the warden for this.
https://imgur.com/a/GgNcLO7
He claimed nukies to be fake...when the ai had called out that the fuck was at sat and tried to break the cooling loop.
https://imgur.com/a/ioGiFon
A bad faith actor trying to do anything he can to encourage conflict with me.
Anyway, back to the "fight". It was a conversation then a seccie started the fight by throwing a bola.
https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/176 ... fined-9729
Yet I tried to explain my position throughout, after a few stuns we ran off into maint to escape the seccies, during the escape we stun them and take their stuns and keep running. There are no lethals from us. At this point I’m frustrated by them trying to steal a baton the warden gave me and instead of talking it out instantly escalating. Me, gor-rok and an assistant who had decided to help ran to departures where we hid in the sec outpost and were vibing.
This is where, “and the killing of more sec officers” comes into play.
Ivan came with a shotgun:
https://imgur.com/a/it59lVY
We stunned him, he called for help. We stripped him and threw him into Iceland sealing his fate. I believe the constant chasing and harassment in combination when I was in the cell and he lied about what I had done in an attempt to give me more time after keeping me for more than 10 mins I argue made him fully valid to escalation. If he wants to be a crooked cop or w/e he needs to face the consequences. Two more seccies ran down and one of them started throwing stars at the people I was with, at this point I presumed they had to be tots or brainwashed do to the horrible experience throughout the round, abductors were around too and nukies too yet all sec did was target me. We didn’t do much damage and I just stopped their hearts and left them in the chairs an easy revival and drag back to medbay. It's important to note here that they died only because of the throwing stars, I otherwise would have just cuffed them to the chairs but the tot item pushed me over the edge.
Why you should be unbanned: At the time there didn't seem to be any option other than to kill them in the way I did, I believe thus the escalation was valid I presumed them to be traitors or somehow valid the use of traitor gear in the final fight once more is why they were executed.
I don't understand why this was a ban in the first place. I hope, with the logs and perspective I provided you will be able to re-think the situation and the note+ban. Using the pocket defibs as a form of self defence when they're esentially a baton should not net me a medbay ban. I believe the seccies showed themselves enough in bad faith to be escalated on too, I tried to non-lethally deal with the situation and it only led to ruin for my round. The fight at the start with the QM only broke out the way it did because of the use of the word "Ligger" too. The note also mentions demotion that I hope I've proved doesn't factor in.