[Borb197] Annihilite - Clown overescalation
Posted: Sat Jan 29, 2022 1:18 pm
BYOND account: Annihilite
Character name: Honkificer
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 7 days
Ban reason: "As a non antagonist clown, proceeded to generally grief the station alongside the other clown, breaking windows with a fireaxe, and generally looting or shitting around. When attacked, they would severely overescalate and end up causing the other player to be left decapitated. You have a history of this behavior, and have had a very long time to learn, som im sending you off with a week break."
Time ban was placed: 2022-01-28 12:41:26
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 177436
Your side of the story: Right, so the first part of the ban note is pretty accurate. I came across the other clown being a nuisance and decided to join in. We were on the run from security on a pretty low pop round, smashing windows and generally being annoying with two stolen fireaxes. To be clear the only thing i recall being guilty of actually stealing was the fireaxe (which i pied the mime for). The other clown had stolen AA though, so we went through maint into medbay. We started breaking the windows there before security could catch up/Find us, and then a paramedic (justifiably. we WERE vandalising the department) started attacking me with a welder. We immediately responded to this by fighting back with our axes, and once they went down the OTHER CLOWN kept going, decapitating the paramedic. Surprised, i just kinda stood there, before beginning to think of how we could revive them. The other clown suggested we do so out loud and i agreed, and then i got bwoinked.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Well, after having some time to let this whole situation sink in, i'm not sure that i actually broke escalation policy. Policy states that an aggressor may initiate conflict as long as it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Window breaking, while annoying and ugly to look at, doesn't actually affect any of the machinery or tools needed for medbay to do their job, aside from arguably making entry by tiders easier. Obviously, its still a dick move, and makes me valid, but that's where i believe the next clause comes in.
The instigator is able to respond in kind to any escalation in force the defender/responder causes, which was exactly what happened here. The paramedic attacked me with a lethal weapon (lit welder), and i responded by in turn attacking them with a lethal weapon (my axe). Once they were in crit, i stopped (i believe i might have hit them once more as id been attacked earlier in the round and my attacker had gotten up from crit and kept going then). The other clown didn't, and decapped the paramed. I had been ready to epipen the paramed and get them back on their feet (after removing the welder), and was caught completely off guard by this. Borb said that i should have tried to stop it, but frankly their head was already on the floor by the time i'd registered what was happening. It really doesn't take long for an axe to decap.
As for my note history, it looks more condensed than it is due to me playing for an unhealthy amount of hours each day (LOOK at my playtime history and weep, for i am addicted and have had way too much free time these past months). Additionally, the frequency of incidents involving me drops significantly over time as i get better at playing the game the way it's intended. I love teaching new players the roles i know and will often dedicate several rounds to teaching someone if they need it. (i'm not sure if that's relevant since it's just a week ban but the prompt said to include it)
Really, the part i take most issue with is the ban note, which implies that i myself CAUSED the decapitation, rather than it being the action of a separate player entirely out of my control. If nothing else i'd like my note to be updated to better reflect the situation, since it'll stick around permanently. For what it's worth i DO think i was in the wrong in the conflict. Being a dick for no reason and breaking shit was just poor form and i really should know better than getting swept into the pace of someone else and thinking that it's okay just because another guy is doing it to. Even if this was technically not overescalation, it was not much fun for the paramedic and i myself would be really annoyed if someone broke my department window, so i really am sorry about this.
Finally, i wanna add that my memory is kind of bad, so please do check the logs to corroborate my version of events. I would do it myself but im not sure if i even can, so i'd appreciate it. Thanks for hearing me out.
Character name: Honkificer
Ban type: Server
Ban length: 7 days
Ban reason: "As a non antagonist clown, proceeded to generally grief the station alongside the other clown, breaking windows with a fireaxe, and generally looting or shitting around. When attacked, they would severely overescalate and end up causing the other player to be left decapitated. You have a history of this behavior, and have had a very long time to learn, som im sending you off with a week break."
Time ban was placed: 2022-01-28 12:41:26
Server you were playing on when banned: Terry
Round ID in which ban was placed: 177436
Your side of the story: Right, so the first part of the ban note is pretty accurate. I came across the other clown being a nuisance and decided to join in. We were on the run from security on a pretty low pop round, smashing windows and generally being annoying with two stolen fireaxes. To be clear the only thing i recall being guilty of actually stealing was the fireaxe (which i pied the mime for). The other clown had stolen AA though, so we went through maint into medbay. We started breaking the windows there before security could catch up/Find us, and then a paramedic (justifiably. we WERE vandalising the department) started attacking me with a welder. We immediately responded to this by fighting back with our axes, and once they went down the OTHER CLOWN kept going, decapitating the paramedic. Surprised, i just kinda stood there, before beginning to think of how we could revive them. The other clown suggested we do so out loud and i agreed, and then i got bwoinked.
Why you think you should be unbanned: Well, after having some time to let this whole situation sink in, i'm not sure that i actually broke escalation policy. Policy states that an aggressor may initiate conflict as long as it does not excessively interfere with their ability to do their job. Window breaking, while annoying and ugly to look at, doesn't actually affect any of the machinery or tools needed for medbay to do their job, aside from arguably making entry by tiders easier. Obviously, its still a dick move, and makes me valid, but that's where i believe the next clause comes in.
The instigator is able to respond in kind to any escalation in force the defender/responder causes, which was exactly what happened here. The paramedic attacked me with a lethal weapon (lit welder), and i responded by in turn attacking them with a lethal weapon (my axe). Once they were in crit, i stopped (i believe i might have hit them once more as id been attacked earlier in the round and my attacker had gotten up from crit and kept going then). The other clown didn't, and decapped the paramed. I had been ready to epipen the paramed and get them back on their feet (after removing the welder), and was caught completely off guard by this. Borb said that i should have tried to stop it, but frankly their head was already on the floor by the time i'd registered what was happening. It really doesn't take long for an axe to decap.
As for my note history, it looks more condensed than it is due to me playing for an unhealthy amount of hours each day (LOOK at my playtime history and weep, for i am addicted and have had way too much free time these past months). Additionally, the frequency of incidents involving me drops significantly over time as i get better at playing the game the way it's intended. I love teaching new players the roles i know and will often dedicate several rounds to teaching someone if they need it. (i'm not sure if that's relevant since it's just a week ban but the prompt said to include it)
Really, the part i take most issue with is the ban note, which implies that i myself CAUSED the decapitation, rather than it being the action of a separate player entirely out of my control. If nothing else i'd like my note to be updated to better reflect the situation, since it'll stick around permanently. For what it's worth i DO think i was in the wrong in the conflict. Being a dick for no reason and breaking shit was just poor form and i really should know better than getting swept into the pace of someone else and thinking that it's okay just because another guy is doing it to. Even if this was technically not overescalation, it was not much fun for the paramedic and i myself would be really annoyed if someone broke my department window, so i really am sorry about this.
Finally, i wanna add that my memory is kind of bad, so please do check the logs to corroborate my version of events. I would do it myself but im not sure if i even can, so i'd appreciate it. Thanks for hearing me out.