[Ze Doctor] CoolDude22333 - Ex-Captain escapes perma.

[CoolDude223334]

hBYOND account: CoolDude22333
Character name: Jack Anton
Ban type: Server ban
Ban length: 1 day
Ban reason: As the HOS executed the captain when they got out of perma, the captain was permad for killing another person who was believed to be a traitor. This situation had a lot of miscommunication and while I am aware of that fact you do have a history of situations in which you use excessive force and act in poor judgement. Please do make a effort in the future to reduce this sort of behavior as it will lead to much stricter punishments in the future.
b]Time ban was placed:[/b] 5:25
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 181655
Your side of the story: I was approached by the Captain, the CMO, and a assistant. Jerry Notagen said that the captain had murdered him without cause, the CMO seemed to not be too helpful and the captain was a uncommon speaker. Vex Licht stood by the man who was killed on radio and said captain was at fault, and after interrogating him with a translator a scientist made from circuits, I demoted him, and perma brigged him for his crime. Later, a vortex breaks the front of brig and leaves it in disrepair. I suddenly hear captain on radio and see him with his clothing near his office. I proceeded to kill him for breaking out somehow, unaware of how he did get out. I attempted to use a stun baton to stun but it lacked battery so I beat him to death with it. The detective shot me , seeing I did this, and I proceeded to explain what he had done. Understanding, the detective did not further attempt to arrest or kill me, seeing as I was only stopping him from escaping and getting his ID, that would likely lead to him retaliating against me, something he clearly planned on, as he said "Your fired" with the translator.
Why you think you should be unbanned: while I could never directly find evidence, I had suspected the captain might be telling the truth, but with nothing to prove it and several people saying he was a murdering killer, I had to perma him. As it turns out, he was attacked in his office , but with all the items that were used found on other people, the captain speaking mandarin symbols in announcements, and lack of evidence, I had to release the person who did it. A good many people vouched for Chuck Bicar, and evidence to prove he commited the crime was hidden without trace, or found on people uninvolved with the crime. Saying this is a case of "miscommunication" is deceptive because not only was this not a case of people in sec getting it wrong, it was people both saying false things not knowing the context and people who actively sought to frame the captain. You even acknowledge the fact I didn't have correct information and worked on what I had. You then directly point at my note history. Rather then punish me based on wrongdoing, I am being punished for having notes. Not even to argue with the validity of the other bans, Ze Doctor, in the ahelp ticket, said "I am not blaming you, but your actions". This wording is not good. This is him either saying something along the lines of " This is not malicious but you fucked up", meaning I am getting punished for shit I'd have no IC way to know was wrong, or him directly admitting to only really having the note history to ban me with in this situation. If I allow this ban to hold up, I will only end up in even more situations where I am held accountable not for my actions in game, and what I did or didn't do, but for having a bad history and ending in shit situations. I main HOS, so I am going to get in a lot of shit situations as a HOS's job is often confusing. Not to mention that the round started with only me as a HOS with zero officers. I really do not wish ill will toward Ze Doctor, but I absolutely do not think this is ban worthy. I will only be unfairly punished more then I already happen to be if I do not appeal this.
References of good conduct: I am a longtime player. Several previous notes also list me co-operating with admins. Several players can also attest that I put in great efforts not only into being a good HOS, but a good faith player who attempts to respect other people's rounds.

[Tearling]

I believe that the round ID was wrong, here's the one you probably meant to list: 181655
Here are the logs of the round in question: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... /game.html
Full log folder: https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/man ... nd-181655/

[CoolDude223334]

oh, my mistake, thanks for pointing it out

[JohnMooney]

To clarify this concisely, the key issue with this wasn't how you initially dealt with the captain, you had limited information and acted in a way that you saw best fit. The issue that resulted in this ban was instead with how you handled them after they had gotten out of perma. Unless I mistaken you first opened fire with lasers before beating them with a stun baton, this beating continued on into crit until they deathgasped. Even without a charged baton resorting immediately to lethals and making no attempts to detain after they were critted is excessive and a violation of rule 6 (Deal with the bad guys in proportion to their crime). This leads me onto what I meant from your note history, you have several times in the past when you have taken a similar course of action and resorted to extreme measures that typically violate this rule.
I apologies for the error in regards to miscommunication and assure you that it had no intents on making you or sec look bad and was to sum up a complex situation in a simplified manner
To reiterate, in regards to "I am not blaming you, but your actions" what I mean is you arresting the captain and permaing them is actions that are ok based on what you knew. However the way you tackled the captain being out of perma is again, where the issue lies

[Tearling]

Unless I mistaken you first opened fire with lasers before beating them with a stun baton, this beating continued on into crit until they deathgasped. Even without a charged baton resorting immediately to lethals and making no attempts to detain after they were critted is excessive and a violation of rule 6 (Deal with the bad guys in proportion to their crime).

Here are the logs of that exact conflict, with everything unrelated to the captain and HoS removed:

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[2022-04-15 19:57:37.041] SAY: 19:57:37.041] SAY: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "hoS" (Central Primary Hallway (89,118,2))
[2022-04-15 19:57:39.134] SAY: 19:57:39.134] SAY: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "you are fired" (Central Primary Hallway (89,118,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:22.998] SAY: 19:58:22.998] SAY: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "let me into my office AI" (Command Hallway (117,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:28.680] SAY: 19:58:28.680] SAY: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "good" (Command Hallway (117,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:29.832] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at [floor] with the laser from Command Hallway (Command Hallway (119,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:29.834] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has shot 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with the laser (NEWHP: 93.7)  (Command Hallway (119,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:30.433] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at [floor] with the laser from Command Hallway (Command Hallway (119,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:30.434] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has shot 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with the laser (NEWHP: 73.7)  (Command Hallway (119,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:30.435] ATTACK: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) has suffered: Second Degree Burns to human head | Damage: 20 (rolled 48/66.2891) | WB: -30 | BWB: 40 (Command Hallway (118,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:30.856] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at [floor] with the laser from Command Hallway (Command Hallway (119,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:31.339] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at [floor] with the laser from Command Hallway (Command Hallway (118,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:32.432] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at [floor] with the laser from Command Hallway (Command Hallway (119,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:33.940] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at [floor] with the laser from Command Hallway (Command Hallway (123,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:34.700] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has fired at 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with the laser from Command Hallway (NEWHP: 54.1)  (Command Hallway (118,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:34.988] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has shot 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with the laser (NEWHP: 54.5)  (Command Hallway (116,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:37.893] SAY: 19:58:37.893] SAY: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "IM INNOCENT" (Command Hallway (110,125,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:41.181] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked ABoxFox/(Plays-The-Part) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 91)  (Command Hallway (116,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:42.879] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 29.2)  (Command Hallway (113,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:45.540] ATTACK: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) has shoved CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) (NEWHP: 94.2)  (Command Hallway (113,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:55.306] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 10.7)  (Command Hallway (108,125,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:56.467] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked [chair] with the stun baton (Command Hallway (108,125,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:57.867] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -0.3)  (Command Hallway (108,125,2))
[2022-04-15 19:58:59.496] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -11.3)  (Command Hallway (109,125,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:01.593] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -22.3)  (Command Hallway (110,126,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:02.730] WHISPER: 19:59:02.730] WHISPER: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "PLEASE" (Command Hallway (111,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:02.973] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -33.3)  (Command Hallway (111,126,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:04.053] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -44.3)  (Command Hallway (111,126,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:05.622] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -55.3)  (Command Hallway (111,126,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:07.108] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -66.3)  (Command Hallway (110,126,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:08.001] WHISPER: 19:59:08.001] WHISPER: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) "fuck you" (Command Hallway (111,127,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:08.006] EMOTE: 19:59:08.006] EMOTE: 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) seizes up and falls limp, his eyes dead and lifeless... (Command Hallway (111,127,2))

At this point the captain is dead, but Jack continues to smack the dead body for another 15 seconds:

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[2022-04-15 19:59:08.236] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked 3Dmetidentifierforanbasicacid/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -111)  (Command Hallway (110,126,2))
[2022-04-15 19:59:23.871] ATTACK: CoolDude22333/(Jack Anton) has attacked *no key*/(Xiang Wang) with stun baton (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -176.8)  (Command Hallway (110,126,2))

[Mothblocks]

Closing as there's been no response on this.