/tg/Station 13

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 1:26 am**

BYOND account: Realthoman_
Character name: Phillip Thomas
Ban type: Note
Ban reason: Was attacked by an engineer with a fire axe twice wordlessly for breaking into tech storage. They took the axe from the engineer, killed them with it and spaced them. Next time follow escalation rules and take them to medical when you defeat them, if they were to attack again after that point and you win, then you get to space them at that point.
Time ban was placed: 5-12-22
Server you were playing on when banned: Sybil
Round ID in which ban was placed: 183055
Your side of the story: A guy walked up to me and started stabbing me with a fireaxe. i left. then, later, he came back and started fireaxing again. so i killed him then i threw him out an airlock. then i got noted.(he did not say a single word to me during this entire interaction)
Why you think you should be unbanned: the dude tried to murder me on two occasions, round removal is justified. dude took the fireaxe from atmos roundstart and then ran around looking for valids, then he got owned

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 2:22 am**

Sorry to take so long to respond, but since the logs aren't working (as of now) I can't exactly check or verify the events that occurred. So I will be asking this, why did you choose to space them instead of any other option, such as taking their body to security, or cuffing them and dragging their body to medical?

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 3:31 am**

ThatEngineer wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 2:22 am Sorry to take so long to respond, but since the logs aren't working (as of now) I can't exactly check or verify the events that occurred. So I will be asking this, why did you choose to space them instead of any other option, such as taking their body to security, or cuffing them and dragging their body to medical?

Because they tried to murder me with a fireaxe on two occasions, i didnt, and still dont, see any reason why they should be revived? why would i revive him? so he can keep trying to murder people?

"Non-antags acting like an antag can be treated as an antag."

if the dude simply asked me "hey why are you breaking into tech storage" or "stop" instead of wordlessly trying to turn me into a shishkebab with a fireaxe(roleplaying game incase anyone forgot), then im sure the conflict would have ended differently, i had no idea if he was even attacking me over the break-in because he didnt speak to me once

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 6:10 pm**

Because they tried to murder me with a fireaxe on two occasions, i didnt, and still dont, see any reason why they should be revived?

Can you elaborate on that? What were the two occasions they attacked you? The note mentions one as tech storage, is there another?

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 7:43 pm**

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 6:10 pm
Because they tried to murder me with a fireaxe on two occasions, i didnt, and still dont, see any reason why they should be revived?
Can you elaborate on that? What were the two occasions they attacked you? The note mentions one as tech storage, is there another?

The note states, more specifically, two attacks at separate times over the same incident, apparently, but it doesn't actually say that either incident occurs at tech storage.

Ban reason: Was attacked by an engineer with a fire axe twice wordlessly for breaking into tech storage. They took the axe from the engineer, killed them with it and spaced them. Next time follow escalation rules and take them to medical when you defeat them, if they were to attack again after that point and you win, then you get to space them at that point.

These attacks occurred at 12:19:38 in Fore Starboard Maintenance, then after they disengaged briefly and Phillip Thomas sought medical treatment, in Starboard Primary Hallway at 12:20:36, then what appears to be an extended pursuit.

Logs:

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Logs pulled at https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/183 ... defined-97 and https://scrubby.melonmesa.com/round/183 ... e=game.txt

12:17:38 GAME Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has gained antag datum �Thief(/datum/antagonist/thief)

12:18:22 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "hiya" (164, 126, 2) Atmospherics Gas Storage
12:18:26 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "im here to protect" (163, 126, 2) Atmospherics Gas Storage
12:18:29 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "axe" (163, 122, 2) Atmospherics
12:18:38 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "chef stole it last round" (162, 118, 2) Atmospherics
12:19:04 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "what" (161, 127, 2) Atmospherics Gas Storage
12:19:08 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "nice" (161, 128, 2) Atmospherics Gas Storage
12:19:12 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "can i exit?" (161, 128, 2) Atmospherics Gas Storage
12:19:14 SAY TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) "seeya" (161, 130, 2) Atmospherics Gas Storage

These are the first and last words Joey Powell speaks for the entire round

12:19:25 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked *no key*/(mouse) with welding tool (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BURN) (NEWHP: 0) (143, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance

12:19:38 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has shoved Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with knocking them down (NEWHP: 100) (142, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:41 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has kicks Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 100) (143, 146, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:41 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has shoved Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 100) (143, 146, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:43 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has attacked Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 76) (142, 147, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:44 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has attacked Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 52) (142, 147, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:46 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with Uncle Git's special reserve (NEWHP: 86.5) (142, 147, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:48 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has shaken TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) (NEWHP: 86.5) (143, 147, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:49 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has attacked Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 34) (144, 147, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance

12:19:50 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has suffered: Open Laceration to human chest | Damage: 24 (rolled 81/85.5649) | WB: -15 | BWB: 20 (142, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:50 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has attacked Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 10) (143, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:53 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attempted to inject Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: 10.2) (138, 141, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:53 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/epinephrine (10u, 1 purity), /datum/reagent/toxin/formaldehyde (3u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/coagulant (2u, 1 purity)) from the epinephrine medipen to Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 10.2) (138, 141, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:19:53 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has injected Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: 10.2) (138, 141, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance

12:20:06 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 20.4) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:07 ATTACK Capsandi/(Nat Wheeler) has attempted to inject Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: 20.4) (131, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:07 ATTACK Capsandi/(Nat Wheeler) has transferred reagents (/datum/reagent/medicine/epinephrine (10u, 1 purity), /datum/reagent/toxin/formaldehyde (3u, 0.75 purity) and /datum/reagent/medicine/coagulant (2u, 1 purity)) from the epinephrine medipen to Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 20.4) (131, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:07 ATTACK Capsandi/(Nat Wheeler) has injected Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with the epinephrine medipen (Epinephrine, Formaldehyde and Sanguirite) (NEWHP: 20.4) (131, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:09 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 29.6) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:13 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 39.8) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:15 ATTACK *no key*/(�Medibot) has tended the wounds of Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with internal tools (BRUTE) (NEWHP: 42.3) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:16 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 52.3) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:17 ATTACK *no key*/(�Medibot) has tended the wounds of Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with internal tools (BRUTE) (NEWHP: 54.2) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:21 ATTACK *no key*/(�Medibot) has tended the wounds of Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with internal tools (BRUTE) (NEWHP: 56.1) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:21 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 66.1) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:23 ATTACK *no key*/(�Medibot) has tended the wounds of Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with internal tools (BRUTE) (NEWHP: 68.6) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:24 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 76.1) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:25 ATTACK *no key*/(�Medibot) has tended the wounds of Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with internal tools (BRUTE) (NEWHP: 77.9) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:28 ATTACK *no key*/(�Medibot) has tended the wounds of Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with internal tools (BRUTE) (NEWHP: 79.8) (132, 142, 2) Auxiliary Tool Storage
12:20:29 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 89.8)

12:20:36 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has shoved TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) (NEWHP: 86.5) (133, 138, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway
12:20:43 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has flashed(targeted) Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with the flash (NEWHP: 89.8) (136, 138, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway
12:20:43 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has shoved TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) (NEWHP: 86.5) (136, 139, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway
12:20:46 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has attacked Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 65.8) (138, 138, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway
12:20:46 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has shoved TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) (NEWHP: 86.5) (138, 139, 2) Starboard Primary Hallway

12:21:24 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has kicks TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with onto their side (paralyzing) (NEWHP: 86.5) (129, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:21:24 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has shoved TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) (NEWHP: 86.5) (129, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:21:25 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has shoved TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with into Phillip Thomas (NEWHP: 86.5) (130, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:21:26 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 62.5) (130, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:21:26 ATTACK Private Tristan/(Tristan Quilt) has shoved Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 65.8) (130, 145, 2) Fore Starboard Maintenance
12:21:30 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked Private Tristan/(Tristan Quilt) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 79.6) (127, 145, 2) Central Primary Hallway
12:21:37 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked [��Central Primary Hallway omni air scrubber BZEaQ] with the fire axe (Wielded) (126, 123, 2) Central Primary Hallway
12:21:39 ATTACK Igor_Lima/(Adam Murdock) has shoved Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 65.8) (125, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
12:21:40 ATTACK Igor_Lima/(Adam Murdock) has punched Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 61.8) (119, 115, 2) Central Primary Hallway
12:21:45 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 42.7) (107, 104, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:46 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 21.1) (107, 99, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:47 ATTACK TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) has shoved Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (NEWHP: 61.8) (106, 96, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:48 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 0) (107, 93, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:56 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -36.1) (107, 94, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:57 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -65.5) (107, 94, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:58 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -97) (107, 94, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:59 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -121.6) (107, 94, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:21:59 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -145.9) (107, 94, 2) Aft Primary Hallway

12:22:01 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has attacked TheManOfChair/(Joey Powell) with fire axe (Wielded) (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -173.8) (107, 94, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:18 ATTACK Private Tristan/(Tristan Quilt) has threw and hit Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with Joey Powell (Station Engineer) (NEWHP: 61.8) (107, 86, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:29 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) *no key*/(Joey Powell) is being stripped of the insulated gloves by Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (107, 86, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:29 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) *no key*/(Joey Powell) is being stripped of the insulated gloves by Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (107, 86, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:36 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has flashed(targeted) Private Tristan/(Tristan Quilt) with the flash (NEWHP: 79.6) (107, 85, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:37 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has grabbed *no key*/(Joey Powell) passive grab (NEWHP: -182.2) (107, 85, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:38 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has grabbed *no key*/(Joey Powell) aggressive grab (NEWHP: -182.2) (107, 87, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:44 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) started fireman carrying Unknown (107, 87, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:46 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) *no key*/(Joey Powell) is being stripped of the insulated gloves by Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (107, 87, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:48 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) *no key*/(Joey Powell) has been stripped of the insulated gloves by Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) (107, 87, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:22:59 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) is no longer being ridden by Unknown (109, 59, 2) Space
12:22:59 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has thrown *no key*/(Joey Powell) grab from tile in Space (109,59,2) towards tile at Space (113,56,2) (NEWHP: -185.4) (109, 59, 2) Space
12:22:59 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has thrown Unknown (109, 59, 2) Space

12:23:12 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 62.6) (107, 88, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:23:15 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 67.9) (107, 88, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:23:18 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 77.9) (107, 88, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:23:21 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 87.9) (107, 88, 2) Aft Primary Hallway
12:23:24 ATTACK Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) has healed Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas) with suture (NEWHP: 91.9)

12:24:56 ADMIN That Engineer/(John Barren) checked the individual player panel for Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas).
12:25:00 ADMIN That Engineer/(John Barren) checked the individual player panel for Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas).
12:26:08 ADMIN That Engineer/(John Barren) has removed �Thief antagonist status from Realthoman_/(Phillip Thomas).

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 7:57 pm**

Yeah, that's what I'm confused on, apologies for the clarity

Posted: **Fri May 13, 2022 8:00 pm**

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 7:57 pm Yeah, that's what I'm confused on, apologies for the clarity

Pulled logs from scrubby and added to the above post; the attack(s) appear to span roughly 3-4 minutes with brief breaks in contact.

Posted: **Sat May 14, 2022 6:55 am**

Mothblocks wrote: ↑Fri May 13, 2022 6:10 pm
Because they tried to murder me with a fireaxe on two occasions, i didnt, and still dont, see any reason why they should be revived?
Can you elaborate on that? What were the two occasions they attacked you? The note mentions one as tech storage, is there another?

the first incident occurred in maintenance behind tech storage. the second incident occured when i bumped into him again in the halls near tech storage

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 9:33 am**

hello

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 10:17 pm**

Hey, my apologies on the delay about dealing with this. I would have to say it was fair for you to kill the guy, since he did not speak even once about what was the issue before attacking, thus he would reasonably be seen as an antag in the moment from that perspective. While I disagree with spacing the body, it is not exactly unreasonable of an action to take in response to a perceived antag. So this note will be removed.

Posted: **Sun May 22, 2022 10:30 pm**

thanks

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