Pieguy223- Appeal, for real this time
Posted: Mon Jun 27, 2022 5:54 pm
BYOND account: Pieguy223
Character name: Randomly generated lone op name
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from the server permanently - As a lone op on a low pop round set the nuke timer to eight minutes only after being prompted to do their objectives by another admin and then proceeded to slowly murderbone their way through the station after claiming their intent to muderbone in dead chat. Quote "SAY: Pieguy223/(Jerry Notagan) (DEAD) "if I get lone op I'm not grabbing the disk until everyone on the station is dead" Due to ticket history, ticket accumulation, the fact your last perma ban was over a situation similar to this, and a seemingly lack of an ability to improve their conduct this will be a perma ban.
Time ban was placed: 18:09:47
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 185075
Your side of the story: It was late as hell, revs had just won the station, and dchat was hyping up a lone op after they realized nobody took the disk of the dead captain's corpse. 20 minutes of not being revived later it spawns, and I'm lucky enough to get it. I made my intentions perfectly clear in dchat before I got the roll and no objections were raised. Upon spawning I found myself presented with two options. The crew were all armed because of the revolution, but their unorganized state would make rushing the disk and nuking the station trivial. I didn't want to just end the round with no buildup or tension. I know how immensely dissatisfying it is to play against stealth ops and have the nuke win endscreen be more of a jumpscare then the climactic finale to an epic battle. Dying in random nuclear hellfire is significantly less interesting then finally getting a chance to use the traitor gear that'd been proliferating throughout the crew thanks to all the looted uplinks in a last stand against an operative.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I want to start out this appeal by apologizing for my previous one. When I got around to making that, I felt fucking crushed. Listen, in my head, I was just trying to make the game more interesting, and out of nowhere I get jumpscared with a permanent ban. Like what?
You wouldn't think that someone is taking the piss out on you if that happened? I did! I was mad, and in hindsight, that's no good state to write an appeal in.
I made that appeal thinking, you just wanted to give me one last kick on the way out, and I just didn't want to have any of that. All I want is to play TG and having a good time dude, this game has been my escape for months. Nothing brightens my day like coming home just in time for roundstart and fucking around with all these players I've grown to like. I've never, and would never do something intentionally just to ruin someone's game.
Thankfully, you understood where I was coming from, and gave me a rare second chance to do this appeal right. For that, you have my biggest appreciation!
Now, while I stand by the intentions behind my actions, I will concede that I fucked up in my execution. The argument you proposed for my ban stands on three pillars; Extending the nuke timer, metagrudging, and murderboning on lowpop. My intention with this appeal is not to shatter these pillars, but rather to try and rationalize my actions enough to wither them to the point where a gracious god may see it fit to let the structure fall.
Extending the nuke timer. While it isn't terribly relevant I would like to restate the fact that I intended to set the timer to five minutes, as I assumed 500 would be read like an analog display as 5:00 (five minutes.) You accused me of lying about this, and while I have no proof, I would like to point out that I has never greentexted as nukie up to that point. Firstly, I greatly overestimated the number of crewmembers I'd have to fight when I tried to set the nuke timer. The 'captain' had contested me at the vault and called for assistance over the radio, leading me to believe that there were more people that would try to stop me. In reality, I had already killed the majority of the crew before setting the nuke and the captain was screaming into the void, but at the time I had no idea that was the case. Even if it was the case I should have been satisfied with my pint of blood and set the nuke to 1. I was wrong in extending the timer, and there's no valid excuse for that so in this case I'm resigned to asking for your forgiveness of my spur-of-the-moment mistake, in understanding that it was made in good faith with the intention to not pre-emptively end the fight.
Metagrudging. As for the accusation of metagrudging, I just panicked and said that in the ahelp when I realized you were seriously bwoinking me for (what I thought at the time) were completely justifiable actions. That's all I really have to say on the matter, I would have done what I'd done regardless of what they did with my previous incarnation's limp corpse. It just seemed like a convenient excuse to my tired mind. I'm done with convenient excuses and I understand that they had no place in an ahelp, and I once again must apologize for my poor conduct.
Murderboning on lowpop. I could not, despite my best efforts, find anything mentioning lowpop on the wiki's rules page (https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules) in both the main and roleplay sections. I went along with it at the time because it seemed like a rule that I might have just overlooked when I first read them, but I don't see it written anywhere. Regardless, I will continue under the assumption that It is a rule that I simply overlooked. In my mind there were two options; kill everyone with the nuke, or kill everyone in a climactic firefight. Both result in the deaths of everyone. I chose the latter because I thought it would be a fun challenge for both myself, and the fully armed crew. On top of that the population around the time that I had been assigned the nuclear operative role had just reached 32 players. We may be splitting hairs at where exactly low-pop starts and ends, but I believe that 32 players is still a fair amount of people, so I disagree with your assessment of me abusing the low numbers of the shift to have an easier time murdering. This is supported by the fact that I did not, in fact, have an easy time murdering at all. I had to fight a deswording assistant with a knife after exhausting 10+ guns on the defenseless crew.
References of good conduct: this was fun to get.
From Monkestation host Ook: "Talking to our admins and nobody has seen you stand out or breaking rules"
From fulpstation: "Stop fucking DMing me we don't do vouchers."
Although I would like to mention that I have two notes on fulp, one of which is for good antag RP.
From baystation:
yes, I play HRP.
While they don't do vouchers, the server's host (spooky) offered to give you a rundown of my time on Bay if you reach out on hostchat.
Anything else we should know: If this goes through, I do solemnly swear to retire jerry notagan as a character and the tider persona that comes with him.
piegoodbye should have stayed in the note.
Character name: Randomly generated lone op name
Ban type: Server
Ban length: Permanent
Ban reason: Banned from the server permanently - As a lone op on a low pop round set the nuke timer to eight minutes only after being prompted to do their objectives by another admin and then proceeded to slowly murderbone their way through the station after claiming their intent to muderbone in dead chat. Quote "SAY: Pieguy223/(Jerry Notagan) (DEAD) "if I get lone op I'm not grabbing the disk until everyone on the station is dead" Due to ticket history, ticket accumulation, the fact your last perma ban was over a situation similar to this, and a seemingly lack of an ability to improve their conduct this will be a perma ban.
Time ban was placed: 18:09:47
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 185075
Your side of the story: It was late as hell, revs had just won the station, and dchat was hyping up a lone op after they realized nobody took the disk of the dead captain's corpse. 20 minutes of not being revived later it spawns, and I'm lucky enough to get it. I made my intentions perfectly clear in dchat before I got the roll and no objections were raised. Upon spawning I found myself presented with two options. The crew were all armed because of the revolution, but their unorganized state would make rushing the disk and nuking the station trivial. I didn't want to just end the round with no buildup or tension. I know how immensely dissatisfying it is to play against stealth ops and have the nuke win endscreen be more of a jumpscare then the climactic finale to an epic battle. Dying in random nuclear hellfire is significantly less interesting then finally getting a chance to use the traitor gear that'd been proliferating throughout the crew thanks to all the looted uplinks in a last stand against an operative.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I want to start out this appeal by apologizing for my previous one. When I got around to making that, I felt fucking crushed. Listen, in my head, I was just trying to make the game more interesting, and out of nowhere I get jumpscared with a permanent ban. Like what?
You wouldn't think that someone is taking the piss out on you if that happened? I did! I was mad, and in hindsight, that's no good state to write an appeal in.
I made that appeal thinking, you just wanted to give me one last kick on the way out, and I just didn't want to have any of that. All I want is to play TG and having a good time dude, this game has been my escape for months. Nothing brightens my day like coming home just in time for roundstart and fucking around with all these players I've grown to like. I've never, and would never do something intentionally just to ruin someone's game.
Thankfully, you understood where I was coming from, and gave me a rare second chance to do this appeal right. For that, you have my biggest appreciation!
Now, while I stand by the intentions behind my actions, I will concede that I fucked up in my execution. The argument you proposed for my ban stands on three pillars; Extending the nuke timer, metagrudging, and murderboning on lowpop. My intention with this appeal is not to shatter these pillars, but rather to try and rationalize my actions enough to wither them to the point where a gracious god may see it fit to let the structure fall.
Extending the nuke timer. While it isn't terribly relevant I would like to restate the fact that I intended to set the timer to five minutes, as I assumed 500 would be read like an analog display as 5:00 (five minutes.) You accused me of lying about this, and while I have no proof, I would like to point out that I has never greentexted as nukie up to that point. Firstly, I greatly overestimated the number of crewmembers I'd have to fight when I tried to set the nuke timer. The 'captain' had contested me at the vault and called for assistance over the radio, leading me to believe that there were more people that would try to stop me. In reality, I had already killed the majority of the crew before setting the nuke and the captain was screaming into the void, but at the time I had no idea that was the case. Even if it was the case I should have been satisfied with my pint of blood and set the nuke to 1. I was wrong in extending the timer, and there's no valid excuse for that so in this case I'm resigned to asking for your forgiveness of my spur-of-the-moment mistake, in understanding that it was made in good faith with the intention to not pre-emptively end the fight.
Metagrudging. As for the accusation of metagrudging, I just panicked and said that in the ahelp when I realized you were seriously bwoinking me for (what I thought at the time) were completely justifiable actions. That's all I really have to say on the matter, I would have done what I'd done regardless of what they did with my previous incarnation's limp corpse. It just seemed like a convenient excuse to my tired mind. I'm done with convenient excuses and I understand that they had no place in an ahelp, and I once again must apologize for my poor conduct.
Murderboning on lowpop. I could not, despite my best efforts, find anything mentioning lowpop on the wiki's rules page (https://tgstation13.org/wiki/Rules) in both the main and roleplay sections. I went along with it at the time because it seemed like a rule that I might have just overlooked when I first read them, but I don't see it written anywhere. Regardless, I will continue under the assumption that It is a rule that I simply overlooked. In my mind there were two options; kill everyone with the nuke, or kill everyone in a climactic firefight. Both result in the deaths of everyone. I chose the latter because I thought it would be a fun challenge for both myself, and the fully armed crew. On top of that the population around the time that I had been assigned the nuclear operative role had just reached 32 players. We may be splitting hairs at where exactly low-pop starts and ends, but I believe that 32 players is still a fair amount of people, so I disagree with your assessment of me abusing the low numbers of the shift to have an easier time murdering. This is supported by the fact that I did not, in fact, have an easy time murdering at all. I had to fight a deswording assistant with a knife after exhausting 10+ guns on the defenseless crew.
References of good conduct: this was fun to get.
From Monkestation host Ook: "Talking to our admins and nobody has seen you stand out or breaking rules"
From fulpstation: "Stop fucking DMing me we don't do vouchers."
Although I would like to mention that I have two notes on fulp, one of which is for good antag RP.
From baystation:
yes, I play HRP.
While they don't do vouchers, the server's host (spooky) offered to give you a rundown of my time on Bay if you reach out on hostchat.
Anything else we should know: If this goes through, I do solemnly swear to retire jerry notagan as a character and the tider persona that comes with him.
piegoodbye should have stayed in the note.