[Sightld2] - PK_Sonikal - Violation of Silicon Policy

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[Sightld2] - PK_Sonikal - Violation of Silicon Policy

Post by PKSonikal » #648454

BYOND account: PK_Sonikal
Character name: Harudaime
Ban type: AI, Cyborg
Ban length: 1 Day
Ban reason: Banned from Roles: silicon, AI, Cyborg for 24 hours - Directly attacked a human under asimov and indirectly caused their death with flashes around a mob. Wasn't aware that they were human but has been informed of silicon policy regarding disguised humans.
Time ban was placed: 2022-08-03 19:23:39
Server you were playing on when banned: Manuel
Round ID in which ban was placed: 187841
Your side of the story: I was doing art for most of the round. We had no Security and there was a traitor that had killed an assistant. I checked the manifest and thought it was the botanist, but I wasn't really sure. Cut to a few minutes later and the new aristocracy is chasing down the traitor. I hit the traitor with the piano once before immediately backing down and yelling "ARE YOU HUMAN". I saw them attack first, so I tried to flash them (to no avail). I was focused on her until she got downed, at which point I attempted to drag her back to medbay, but my grip was taken from me.
I was carried away by the chaos. I did want to defuse the situation by starting with the traitor (whom I believe could cause the most harm) and chose the wrong way to defuse the situation after Maia entered critical.
Why you think you should be unbanned: I had read silicon policy many times and I had missed the part where it said 'disguised people default as humans'. I had a mostly clean record, so I thought a ban was pretty rough. I'm appealing it because I believe it should be reduced to at least a blue and at most a yellow note.
References of good conduct: I've been playing for 37 rounds as AI and not once got in trouble. Last time I also had a note was at 108 hours and that was because I did not know any better. People mostly liked me as AI and I had good company that round. They like the art I made for the last few rounds and I want to get back with at least a scar, not a bleeding wound. Learning is what I'm good at, and this is a lesson I won't forget.
Anything else we should know: I want to improve as an artist in the game, and I believe silicon is the best role to do this. (because of the infinite spray can)
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Re: [Sightld2] - PK_Sonikal - Violation of Silicon Policy

Post by Sightld2 » #648463

Hello there PK. This portion of silicon policy was added about 4 months ago, so its relatively new and I can understand you having not see it. Regarding this and your history of being a good faith silicon player, i've decided to reduce this bans duration by 12 hours. However, I will be upholding the note and maintaining its yellow medium severity. I believe this is fair since you directly violated Asimov.

I can agree that you directly harmed the human only once or twice, and that this is easily excusable as an accident or rash thinking.
[2022-08-03 19:06:36.549] ATTACK: PK_Sonikal/(Harudaime Service Shell-788) has attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with cyborg spraycan (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 69.1) (Central Primary Hallway (110,143,2))
[2022-08-03 19:06:53.771] ATTACK: PK_Sonikal/(Harudaime Service Shell-788) has attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with synthesizer (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 46.6) (Central Primary Hallway (122,115,2))

But thats not what I take issue with. You continued to flash them, while they were fighting a felinid, helping them lethally attack and kill the human

[2022-08-03 19:06:43.301] ATTACK: Feline Esquire/(Cassidy Twist) has attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 52.6) (Central Primary Hallway (126,128,2))
[2022-08-03 19:06:43.305] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has attacked Feline Esquire/(Cassidy Twist) with hatchet (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 72.8) (Central Primary Hallway (126,129,2))
[2022-08-03 19:06:45.162] ATTACK: PK_Sonikal/(Harudaime Service Shell-788) has flashed(targeted) EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with the flash (NEWHP: 51.6) (Central Primary Hallway (126,122,2))

[2022-08-03 19:06:53.771] ATTACK: PK_Sonikal/(Harudaime Service Shell-788) has attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with synthesizer (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 46.6) (Central Primary Hallway (122,115,2))
[2022-08-03 19:06:56.776] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has attacked Feline Esquire/(Cassidy Twist) with hatchet (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 88) (Central Primary Hallway (126,123,2))
[2022-08-03 19:06:57.005] ATTACK: EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) has suffered: Open Laceration to left leg | Damage: 13.5 (rolled 31/38.2355) | WB: 15 | BWB: 10 (Central Primary Hallway (126,124,2))
[2022-08-03 19:06:57.006] ATTACK: Feline Esquire/(Cassidy Twist) has attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 1) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 35.4) (Central Primary Hallway (125,123,2))

I believe they managed to run away for a few seconds and then here they were caught and crit, and shortly after killed.

[2022-08-03 19:07:20.729] ATTACK: Feline Esquire/(Cassidy Twist) has attacked EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -6.8) (Central Primary Hallway (90,144,2))
[2022-08-03 19:07:21.036] ATTACK: PK_Sonikal/(Harudaime Service Shell-788) has flashed(targeted) EmpressMaia/(Maia Roentgen) with the flash (NEWHP: -6.8) (Central Primary Hallway (92,144,2))

"You may not harm a human being or, through action or inaction, allow a human being to come to harm, except such that it is willing."
I believe that even if you argue that flashing is not directly harmful, it certainly through inaction allowed a human to come to harm. And even if it didn't, I still think that flashing a human while they are engaged in lethal combat with a felinid is against the spirit of law 1 regardless.

These logs are sourced from raw logs, which administrators may view at: https://tgstation13.org/raw-logs/manuel ... attack.log
Last edited by Sightld2 on Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:58 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: [Sightld2] - PK_Sonikal - Violation of Silicon Policy

Post by PKSonikal » #648470

I'll take it being halved. Just wanna do some art in lowpop tomorrow. Please tell me you took some screenshots of the ones I did last round, haha. どもありがとう
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Re: [Sightld2] - PK_Sonikal - Violation of Silicon Policy

Post by Sightld2 » #648471

PKSonikal wrote: Wed Aug 03, 2022 8:53 pm Please tell me you took some screenshots of the ones I did last round, haha. どもありがとう
I saw the epic art, did not take screencaps unfortunately. I liked the dragon a lot.
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