[Edit] I deleted a post from CMDR_Gungnir detailing their understanding of what round removal is. It was not a complete understanding of what the admin team often considers round removal, and I have deleted it in favour of a more detailed explanation below along with a log dump to illustrate some of the key facts in this particular appeal. Opinions on whether there was or was not round removal is a discussion best had for the peanut.
As a broad clarification on policy as I understand it, round removal can manifest in more than just literal impossibility to return to the shift.
There are actions equivalent to round removal that don't involve making it physically impossible. For example, by stealthily hiding a body where nobody can find it or throwing it out into space. Or by rendering a body exceptionally difficult or unlikely to revive through husking or removal of organs etc.
So a player being revived incidentally doesn't mean there wasn't also a genuine attempt at round removal.
The following logs are taken from:
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... 4/game.txt
https://tgstation13.org/parsed-logs/ter ... attack.txt
They are combined attack and game logs, filtered only for the following ckeys:
DarkKeeper072 (Assistant, robokiller)
Bieyes (Borg, robokillee)
ThatKindOfJack (AI)
ChumbleBusiness (Roboticist)
HandsOfFate123 (Head of Security)
The logs start with Bieyes death and continue until Bieyes is popped into disposals.
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[2022-10-28 10:04:48.643] ATTACK: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) attacked Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -100) (Research Division (178,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:49.487] ATTACK: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) attacked Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) with circular saw (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -100) (Research Division (178,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:50.047] ACCESS: Mob Login: Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) was assigned to a /mob/dead/observer
[2022-10-28 10:04:50.067] GAME: Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) Client Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) has taken ownership of mob B.O.R.B.O(/mob/dead/observer) (Research Division (178,94,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:52.144] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "Fucking cunt" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:53.997] ATTACK: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) has thrown the circular saw (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:54.297] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Yeah" (Research Division (177,92,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:57.123] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "My borg has been locked down and lynched." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:58.309] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "You get two" (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:04:59.331] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "He watched" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:04.407] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "That guy beating me" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:05.709] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Whys that?" (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:07.552] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "For no fucking reason" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:08.395] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) has thrown the electrical toolbox (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:10.508] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) has thrown the mechanical toolbox (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:11.076] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "And did nothing" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:11.905] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) has thrown the iron (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:12.158] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "No raisin?" (Research Division (177,92,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:13.994] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) has thrown the welding helmet (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:16.191] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "By Polina and the assistant Thomas." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:20.664] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "When I got almost in crit" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:21.571] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "I do not know why." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:23.603] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Your borg was emagged." (Research Division (177,92,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:29.623] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "In that case" (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:32.957] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Lamarr" (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:34.792] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) attacked Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) with Lamarr (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:35.994] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "If he is not emaged" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:38.153] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "Its even worse" (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:39.027] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Let's come check" (Research Division (179,94,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:39.756] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) attacked Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) with Lamarr (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:41.059] ATTACK: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) shaken ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (161,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:42.877] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) attacked Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) with Lamarr (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:44.833] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) attacked Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) with Lamarr (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:44.939] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Where the fuck is robo" (Research Division (178,90,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:47.149] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "On this station" (Research Division (178,91,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:48.307] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Yes" (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:51.465] EMOTE: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) points at the floor (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:51.685] EMOTE: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) points at the floor (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:51.887] EMOTE: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) points at the floor (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:52.085] EMOTE: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) points at the floor (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:52.300] EMOTE: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) points at the floor (Research Division (177,95,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:52.895] ATTACK: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) attacked ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) with Lamarr (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:53.185] ATTACK: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) grabbed *no key*/(B.O.R.B.O) passive grab (NEWHP: -100) (Research Division (178,93,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:54.073] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Cmon" (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:56.897] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "As a heads up you can safely fix them post lockdown WITHOUT lynching them." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:05:59.743] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "He only violated your face once" (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:01.580] EMOTE: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) points at B.O.R.B.O (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:02.141] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Camn down" (Robotics Lab (159,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:04.061] EMOTE: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) points at John Brohn (Robotics Lab (162,101,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:05.208] ATTACK: Bobbussus/(Gavin Hujsak) shaken ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (157,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:07.122] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "this one" (Robotics Lab (162,101,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:09.318] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "Is a cunt" (Robotics Lab (162,101,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:10.960] EMOTE: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) waves. (Robotics Lab (158,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:12.493] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) has thrown the iron rod (Robotics Lab (158,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:16.821] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "The assistant was very much opposed to just checking" (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:16.839] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Greytide pissed cause I beat his ass" (Robotics Lab (158,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:18.727] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Typical" (Robotics Lab (158,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:18.844] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "that let me in and tried to kill me" (Robotics Lab (162,101,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:31.057] ATTACK: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) has thrown the iron rod (Robotics Lab (158,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:32.514] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Call them a dumbass for me please and thank you." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:38.167] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Check if he's emagged" (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:39.295] EMOTE: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) points at Thomas Sagan (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:39.672] EMOTE: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) points at Thomas Sagan (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:06:57.942] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "He looks severely dented" (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:00.379] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "CMO the cameras in pharma arent working." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:01.209] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "And barely operational" (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:06.637] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Could you arrange a fix for that?" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:08.877] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Reset it" (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:13.231] SAY: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) "Are you retarded?" (Robotics Lab (162,100,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:14.038] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Dont know how to od that" (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:15.319] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "So I can watch people tide into it and explode" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:16.266] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "I dont fuck with borgs" (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:16.568] EMOTE: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) points at the floor (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:17.986] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Or ai" (Robotics Lab (159,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:18.686] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "Reset chip" (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:25.366] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Build one" (Robotics Lab (157,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:27.314] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Dont know what that is" (Robotics Lab (157,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:35.792] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Again, dont fuck with borgs" (Robotics Lab (158,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:37.172] ATTACK: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) grabbed *no key*/(B.O.R.B.O) passive grab (NEWHP: -100) (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:40.871] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "unlucky" (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:42.115] ATTACK: DarkKeeper072/(Thomas Sagan) stuffed *no key*/(B.O.R.B.O) into the disposal unit (NEWHP: -100) (Robotics Lab (162,104,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:42.941] SAY: ChumbleBusiness/(John Brohn) "Which is why I didnt borg the grey-tider" (Robotics Lab (158,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:07:43.742] SAY: HandsOfFate123/(Polina Kierstan) "haven't done this shit in years" (Robotics Lab (160,102,3))
Similarly, the circumstances leading to Bieyes revival later:
Same log files, filtered to ThatKindOfJack (AI) and Sk1Wass3r (Station Engineer)
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[2022-10-28 10:17:07.155] SAY: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) "AI do you have borgs" (Engineering Hallway (127,105,2))
[2022-10-28 10:17:08.378] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Cap office outside" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:17:20.242] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "One in the trash dead" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:17:25.826] SAY: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) "fixable?" (Engineering Foyer (125,102,2))
[2022-10-28 10:17:43.186] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Yes but its emagged and robo doesnt know shit to fix it." (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:17:55.955] SAY: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) "I can try to fix it" (Engineering Hallway (127,106,2))
[2022-10-28 10:18:03.982] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Its in the disposals" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
**BIG SNIP**
[2022-10-28 10:24:15.547] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked *no key*/(B.O.R.B.O) with cyborg emergency reboot module (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: -100) (Robotics Lab (161,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:24:34.173] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Under sci" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:24:34.808] ACCESS: Mob Login: Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) was assigned to a /mob/living/silicon/robot
[2022-10-28 10:24:34.815] GAME: Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) Client Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) has taken ownership of mob B.O.R.B.O(/mob/living/silicon/robot) (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
[2022-10-28 10:24:34.819] ATTACK: Sk1Wass3r/(Talon Mckendrick) attacked Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) with cyborg emergency reboot module (COMBAT MODE: 0) (DAMTYPE: BRUTE) (NEWHP: 100) (Robotics Lab (161,103,3))
[2022-10-28 10:24:39.771] SAY: ThatKindOfJack/(P.O.L.Y.) "Connected" (AI Chamber (184,36,3))
[2022-10-28 10:24:39.814] SAY: Bieyes/(B.O.R.B.O) "Fucking" (Robotics Lab (162,102,3))
There is obviously stuff in the middle that I have left out where more context can be gleaned, but as a basic exercise in determining whether a round removal-type action was taken, these logs are a key starting point.