[RaveRadbury] Typhnox - Player's Club sub-forum ban
Posted: Sat Jan 07, 2023 8:07 am
BYOND account: Typhnox
Character name: Imitates-The-Lizards
Ban type: Player's Club sub-forum
Ban length: Unspecified, but presumed permanent.
Ban reason: This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=83&p=660979#p660979
You really can't seem to avoid taking bait and not engaging this stuff. You've been warned about this and since then you acknowledge your warning while still taking the bait.
We can't trust you to engage peanut threads without stirring up drama. For this reason you're being banned from the Player's Club board.
(Currently we do not have that permission set up so until then you will be generally forum banned. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
Time ban was placed: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:56 pm
Server you were playing on when banned: Player's Club sub-forum
Round ID in which ban was placed: N/A, this is for a forum ban
Your side of the story: A drama tier list thread was made on the Player's Club sub-forum in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=33066 . Naturally, as the topic of the thread was all the past drama of the last year, it ended up with people reviving my drama. Again. I made one or two posts but generally tried to avoid my own personal drama, however, there were a couple of posts made in the thread which related to my drama which I felt compelled to address - namely, Axle gave pretty good reasons as to why the retraction statement I issued regarding my opinion which started my drama may not have been genuine: He rightfully pointed out that I may have felt compelled to post a retraction statement due to the large number of people calling me a god damn pedophile, rather than because my opinion actually changed. I responded to this post by explaining why my retraction statement was genuine, and a couple of posts after that which were in response to my post in the thread.
Why you think you should be unbanned: This ban should be lowered to a forum warning, or outright removed for the following reasons:
I have never actually received a forum warning or an order from the admin team not to engage in this topic: In my ban reason from Rave, he states "You've been warned about this and since then you acknowledge your warning while still taking the bait.", however, this is just...flat out not true. I have received 2 forum warnings up to this point. One was for a completely unrelated matter from Mothblocks, and one from Rave for bringing the topic of "is lolicon pedophilia?" to the forums. I have long acknowledged this warning as a valid one, however, it clearly does not apply to this case, because we were not discussing that topic, and there are many posts on the forum where I have refused to engage in that topic following receiving that warning, on the grounds of having had received that warning, the majority of which can be found in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32194 . I very clearly follow that warning to the letter. Based on the wording within the ban message "You've been warned about this and since then you acknowledge your warning", I believe Rave mistook my opening segment of my post "I apologize to the admin team members who want me to just not engage with this topic" to mean I was given a warning I am refusing to follow, however, this was simply me stating I have a few people who are friendly to me on the admin team who have advised me to just not engage in the topic, not that I have been formally commanded not to engage with posts relating to this matter.
The ban reason does not actually make any sense: What the heck am I even actually banned for? Responding to drama? So is this an acknowledgement that I did not actually start this drama? If so, how does this ban even make any sense? "We can't trust you to engage peanut threads without stirring up drama." Except I didn't stir the drama. Axle and Timonk did. Ban them, not me.
Unequal and unsympathetic application of punishment standards: Okay, Rave, let me ask you a question - If tomorrow, someone posted a post in the Player's Club where he (and subsequently several other people) called YOU a pedophile, and when asked for evidence for this incredibly heinous accusation, responded by saying "Well, okay, there is none, but one time several months ago you made a post where you had a bad opinion, and therefore you touch kids, and therefore I feel entitled to harass you for months on end.", what the hell would your response be? You would permaban them! Instantly! But when it comes to me, all they get is some post removals and maybe, MAYBE a temporary forum ban like toemas got. Is it because I'm a regular user? Is it because you personally do not like me? I do not know, but it should be REALLY OBVIOUS by now that the admin team's failure to take a strong stance on the people who are actually stirring this drama has left me with a choice of "say nothing and people assume the worst because you do not refute it" or "respond to it, because you take very strong offense to the incredibly heinous accusations levied against you, but risk being banned". Do you even understand the position you are putting me in? The admin team should NEVER put someone in this position, where my choices are silently live with people literally calling me a pedophile, or be banned!
A warning would be much more strategically applicable: Like I mentioned before, I have not actually been warned not to engage in this topic. If I WAS actually warned for engaging in this topic, it would be an instant defense I could use. Someone comes up with some new angle it makes sense for me to respond to tomorrow? I can respond with "Sorry, I've been warned not to engage on this topic, so I will make no further comment.". Instant defense. People no longer can assume that whatever heinous thing is said about me is correct, because they know I could have a response to it, but I am not allowed to post it. People can no longer assume the worst, Drama dies out. Problem solved.
I actually DID try to avoid the drama: There was a post from, I believe from Timonk, which I reported, where he literally said I like children. I reported the post, went to sleep, woke up, and.... the post was still there. With subsequent posts from members from the admin team (See Timberpoes post in the thread), and members of the admin team viewing the thread, but just...no one removing the post, after several hours, and clear engagement from the admin team on the thread. How else was I supposed to interpret this except as the admin team refusing to remove posts stirring the drama about me again? Since the admin team was clearly refusing to act on the matter, I decided it was appropriate for me to respond to it, due to the dilemma I referred to earlier, but decided it would be better to respond to Axle's much more logical post rather thank Timonk's clearly bait post, if I was going to be forced to respond to any posts at all. However, I very clearly did try to avoid the drama.
The posts were actually pretty mild: All things considered, the discussion I had in that thread was much more mild than past discussions. Toemas and I actually had a productive conversation for once, I feel. I feel like you may be over-exaggerating the drama of the thread, and it wasn't actually all that bad for once.
Anything else we should know: I am sick and tired of this drama.
Character name: Imitates-The-Lizards
Ban type: Player's Club sub-forum
Ban length: Unspecified, but presumed permanent.
Ban reason: This is a warning regarding the following post made by you: viewtopic.php?f=83&p=660979#p660979
You really can't seem to avoid taking bait and not engaging this stuff. You've been warned about this and since then you acknowledge your warning while still taking the bait.
We can't trust you to engage peanut threads without stirring up drama. For this reason you're being banned from the Player's Club board.
(Currently we do not have that permission set up so until then you will be generally forum banned. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
Time ban was placed: Fri Jan 06, 2023 4:56 pm
Server you were playing on when banned: Player's Club sub-forum
Round ID in which ban was placed: N/A, this is for a forum ban
Your side of the story: A drama tier list thread was made on the Player's Club sub-forum in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=33066 . Naturally, as the topic of the thread was all the past drama of the last year, it ended up with people reviving my drama. Again. I made one or two posts but generally tried to avoid my own personal drama, however, there were a couple of posts made in the thread which related to my drama which I felt compelled to address - namely, Axle gave pretty good reasons as to why the retraction statement I issued regarding my opinion which started my drama may not have been genuine: He rightfully pointed out that I may have felt compelled to post a retraction statement due to the large number of people calling me a god damn pedophile, rather than because my opinion actually changed. I responded to this post by explaining why my retraction statement was genuine, and a couple of posts after that which were in response to my post in the thread.
Why you think you should be unbanned: This ban should be lowered to a forum warning, or outright removed for the following reasons:
I have never actually received a forum warning or an order from the admin team not to engage in this topic: In my ban reason from Rave, he states "You've been warned about this and since then you acknowledge your warning while still taking the bait.", however, this is just...flat out not true. I have received 2 forum warnings up to this point. One was for a completely unrelated matter from Mothblocks, and one from Rave for bringing the topic of "is lolicon pedophilia?" to the forums. I have long acknowledged this warning as a valid one, however, it clearly does not apply to this case, because we were not discussing that topic, and there are many posts on the forum where I have refused to engage in that topic following receiving that warning, on the grounds of having had received that warning, the majority of which can be found in this thread: viewtopic.php?f=83&t=32194 . I very clearly follow that warning to the letter. Based on the wording within the ban message "You've been warned about this and since then you acknowledge your warning", I believe Rave mistook my opening segment of my post "I apologize to the admin team members who want me to just not engage with this topic" to mean I was given a warning I am refusing to follow, however, this was simply me stating I have a few people who are friendly to me on the admin team who have advised me to just not engage in the topic, not that I have been formally commanded not to engage with posts relating to this matter.
The ban reason does not actually make any sense: What the heck am I even actually banned for? Responding to drama? So is this an acknowledgement that I did not actually start this drama? If so, how does this ban even make any sense? "We can't trust you to engage peanut threads without stirring up drama." Except I didn't stir the drama. Axle and Timonk did. Ban them, not me.
Unequal and unsympathetic application of punishment standards: Okay, Rave, let me ask you a question - If tomorrow, someone posted a post in the Player's Club where he (and subsequently several other people) called YOU a pedophile, and when asked for evidence for this incredibly heinous accusation, responded by saying "Well, okay, there is none, but one time several months ago you made a post where you had a bad opinion, and therefore you touch kids, and therefore I feel entitled to harass you for months on end.", what the hell would your response be? You would permaban them! Instantly! But when it comes to me, all they get is some post removals and maybe, MAYBE a temporary forum ban like toemas got. Is it because I'm a regular user? Is it because you personally do not like me? I do not know, but it should be REALLY OBVIOUS by now that the admin team's failure to take a strong stance on the people who are actually stirring this drama has left me with a choice of "say nothing and people assume the worst because you do not refute it" or "respond to it, because you take very strong offense to the incredibly heinous accusations levied against you, but risk being banned". Do you even understand the position you are putting me in? The admin team should NEVER put someone in this position, where my choices are silently live with people literally calling me a pedophile, or be banned!
A warning would be much more strategically applicable: Like I mentioned before, I have not actually been warned not to engage in this topic. If I WAS actually warned for engaging in this topic, it would be an instant defense I could use. Someone comes up with some new angle it makes sense for me to respond to tomorrow? I can respond with "Sorry, I've been warned not to engage on this topic, so I will make no further comment.". Instant defense. People no longer can assume that whatever heinous thing is said about me is correct, because they know I could have a response to it, but I am not allowed to post it. People can no longer assume the worst, Drama dies out. Problem solved.
I actually DID try to avoid the drama: There was a post from, I believe from Timonk, which I reported, where he literally said I like children. I reported the post, went to sleep, woke up, and.... the post was still there. With subsequent posts from members from the admin team (See Timberpoes post in the thread), and members of the admin team viewing the thread, but just...no one removing the post, after several hours, and clear engagement from the admin team on the thread. How else was I supposed to interpret this except as the admin team refusing to remove posts stirring the drama about me again? Since the admin team was clearly refusing to act on the matter, I decided it was appropriate for me to respond to it, due to the dilemma I referred to earlier, but decided it would be better to respond to Axle's much more logical post rather thank Timonk's clearly bait post, if I was going to be forced to respond to any posts at all. However, I very clearly did try to avoid the drama.
The posts were actually pretty mild: All things considered, the discussion I had in that thread was much more mild than past discussions. Toemas and I actually had a productive conversation for once, I feel. I feel like you may be over-exaggerating the drama of the thread, and it wasn't actually all that bad for once.
Anything else we should know: I am sick and tired of this drama.